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The One and Only Pre-UOR Thread! Update -- 3 Polls of Results
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imported_The-Noni-Trader
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Pre-Pub 16 still had bods and thus the increased need for multiple accounts 
If we could have the bod system of Pre-Pub 16 but using the return a bod - receive a bod system then it might be worthwhile
By the way.. what did pub 16 change that you guys would prefer 15 to 16?
Aos was a fair few publishes after....
pub 16 gave higher Armor Rating to higher ore types, different leather types, the ability to spawn the harrower etc... it didnt introduce all the resist types [as far as I can tell... I was not here I am merely going off the Uo.com lists]
If we could have the bod system of Pre-Pub 16 but using the return a bod - receive a bod system then it might be worthwhile
By the way.. what did pub 16 change that you guys would prefer 15 to 16?
Aos was a fair few publishes after....
pub 16 gave higher Armor Rating to higher ore types, different leather types, the ability to spawn the harrower etc... it didnt introduce all the resist types [as far as I can tell... I was not here I am merely going off the Uo.com lists]
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OmgpwnedWinter
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Ahhh I was mistaken then..alot of the pubs are blurred in my eyes at this point.
To correct myself, I'd like to see any ruleset BEFORE bods and powerscrolls. Would that be pre-pub14?
To correct myself, I'd like to see any ruleset BEFORE bods and powerscrolls. Would that be pre-pub14?
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imported_The-Noni-Trader
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There was no "publish 14" they start with the numbers at 15...
It would be a Pre"Bulk Order Deed" publish shard hehehe
The first bods were smith only... they gave the ability for smiths to make vanquishing weapons and invulnerability armors.
It would be a Pre"Bulk Order Deed" publish shard
heheheThe first bods were smith only... they gave the ability for smiths to make vanquishing weapons and invulnerability armors.
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OmgpwnedWinter
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Okay then I want a pre-PBOD shard
My heart was in the right place with my pre-pub16 post...gawd I shold really research those darned publishes.
From now on, Ima just support a non-tainted UO.
My heart was in the right place with my pre-pub16 post...gawd I shold really research those darned publishes.
From now on, Ima just support a non-tainted UO.
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TapionUO
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How exactly will 500 players total on the shard make them money? They will not even break even with that few people. A production shard typically has over 10000 people on it (well the major ones anyways I realize places like oceania might not have 10000 players there).
We will wait and see what happens. I do not even see people agreeing on what ruleset it should have. So much goes into a shard people just do not realize how hard it is. Putting up a new production server is hard enough. this server will need a dedicated programming team just for it alone. 500 players wouldnt pay for the bandwidth it would use each month.
All I was trying to do is voice a side on the issue. I do not think its proper to say if you do not agree with me then stfu.
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LOL! "500 players wouldnt pay for the bandwidth it would use each month." That is classic! So your saying the 500 people that use a patheticly small amount of bandwidth wouldnt be enough to pay for the bandwidth they use? What kind of sense does your post make it might be viable if they were going to stick it all alone and purchase a reserved amount of bandwidth for it but come on lets be serious.
10,000 players? What in the world? That must include all the people that forgot to cancel their account that they no longer use because rest assured last time I checked UO if you told me there was 1000 people online id call you a liar I think maybe instead of like the whole ancient japan samurai stuff they should go western they already have the ghost towns all they need is some tumbleweeds drifting by and it will be perfect!
It doesnt matter what rule set people argue on this stratics forum pre:UOR is pre:UOR regardless of the exact time frame. Give me the dread lord days, give me the t2a days I dont care just give me a place a place that wont make me throw up. Hell let them be lazy and bring back the abyss shard I will settle for that!
"So much goes into a shard people just do not realize how hard it is. Putting up a new production server is hard enough. this server will need a dedicated programming team just for it alone."
Do you realize this is EA? Putting up a new server is difficult?
Dedicated programming team? Exagerate much? Its already been created before.
How exactly will 500 players total on the shard make them money? They will not even break even with that few people. A production shard typically has over 10000 people on it (well the major ones anyways I realize places like oceania might not have 10000 players there).
We will wait and see what happens. I do not even see people agreeing on what ruleset it should have. So much goes into a shard people just do not realize how hard it is. Putting up a new production server is hard enough. this server will need a dedicated programming team just for it alone. 500 players wouldnt pay for the bandwidth it would use each month.
All I was trying to do is voice a side on the issue. I do not think its proper to say if you do not agree with me then stfu.
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LOL! "500 players wouldnt pay for the bandwidth it would use each month." That is classic! So your saying the 500 people that use a patheticly small amount of bandwidth wouldnt be enough to pay for the bandwidth they use? What kind of sense does your post make it might be viable if they were going to stick it all alone and purchase a reserved amount of bandwidth for it but come on lets be serious.
10,000 players? What in the world? That must include all the people that forgot to cancel their account that they no longer use because rest assured last time I checked UO if you told me there was 1000 people online id call you a liar I think maybe instead of like the whole ancient japan samurai stuff they should go western they already have the ghost towns all they need is some tumbleweeds drifting by and it will be perfect!
It doesnt matter what rule set people argue on this stratics forum pre:UOR is pre:UOR regardless of the exact time frame. Give me the dread lord days, give me the t2a days I dont care just give me a place a place that wont make me throw up. Hell let them be lazy and bring back the abyss shard I will settle for that!
"So much goes into a shard people just do not realize how hard it is. Putting up a new production server is hard enough. this server will need a dedicated programming team just for it alone."
Do you realize this is EA? Putting up a new server is difficult?
Dedicated programming team? Exagerate much? Its already been created before.
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Blind fury
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Replying to last post for convenience. I thought I would try to turn some words into anograms.
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Guest
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Hi,
I check these boards once every few months as an old UO player, i quit before pub16 and have tried to publishes since then but hated what they did to UO.
At this exact moment im sat chatting to 6 irl friends as we RvR in daoc about the possability of a pre uo:r shard. All said they would come back for this, but this would have to include old house rules, old idocs, the old refresh system just for this shard and the old pvp rules. You just have to look at the most common player run shard in europe run by xlordx with the 19k characters they have and the thousands online each evening to see people want this.
I just want old UO pvp and Old UO housing rules, no custom houses, that encouraged house fighting, old style houses with old style rules. Actaually ake that 9 ppl, 3 others who i used to play UO with who i play DAOC with said they would also do it.
If you do this make sure you make a Euro sever as well as a US one.
I check these boards once every few months as an old UO player, i quit before pub16 and have tried to publishes since then but hated what they did to UO.
At this exact moment im sat chatting to 6 irl friends as we RvR in daoc about the possability of a pre uo:r shard. All said they would come back for this, but this would have to include old house rules, old idocs, the old refresh system just for this shard and the old pvp rules. You just have to look at the most common player run shard in europe run by xlordx with the 19k characters they have and the thousands online each evening to see people want this.
I just want old UO pvp and Old UO housing rules, no custom houses, that encouraged house fighting, old style houses with old style rules. Actaually ake that 9 ppl, 3 others who i used to play UO with who i play DAOC with said they would also do it.
If you do this make sure you make a Euro sever as well as a US one.
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Lady Velvet
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The old house rules pre ren would be nice
Grey when on a house not owned by you etc
I would love to play with all the just prior to renaissance rules and conditions...
Grey when on a house not owned by you etc
I would love to play with all the just prior to renaissance rules and conditions...
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HerculesSAS
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I would be willing to abandon the 'old' housing rules (though I liked them) in favor of lag and server stability. There was just a lot of crap to track and besides, it doesn't add anything to the PvP aspect which most people are missing out on from Pre-UO:R. House looting is fun sometimes, but it's also one of those things that from a $$$ point of view, can cause people to quit en masse... EA won't allow that to happen so I say screw the housing rules. Just make our secures hold a WHOLE LOTTA STUFF, and give us a few more secures so that it's easier to keep organized.
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Arguing whether the shard would make EA money is futile, only OSI knows how many players it takes to make a shard self-sustainable. They also have methods of knowing when a new shard is needed in a particular area. In the end, only OSI will know if there is enough demand. The only thing we have to go by is looking around at how many are asking.
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This is just absolutely wonderful. One of the best housing locations on Atlantic is decaying sometime tomorrow, an 18x18 right at Yew gate. Hopefully it will collapse before the rally, otherwise this is not going to be good =[
OSI probably did this on purpose!
OSI probably did this on purpose!
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Gareth420
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You are confusing total players on a shard with total player sonline at the same time on the shard. I am saying there are about 10000 users or so on gl. not 10000 at one time but 10000 total people who have characters they play at least once a month on GL. Thats just an assumption on my part based on different things I have read over the years.
A shard that does not get regular updates like everyone else will need a dedicated production crew to make it work. Look at siege if you do not think this is true. If siege had a dedicated crew it would not have 99% of the issues it does.
Also EA is not god. They are not going to spend money doing something they cannot show how they will profit from. EA is not in the buisness of art for art's sake. Its whatever makes the most money in thoe shortest amount of time with the least work involved. Thats how all corporations work. They have a bottom line they have to maintain. Thats how things like MCO and E&B get cancelled.
A shard that does not get regular updates like everyone else will need a dedicated production crew to make it work. Look at siege if you do not think this is true. If siege had a dedicated crew it would not have 99% of the issues it does.
Also EA is not god. They are not going to spend money doing something they cannot show how they will profit from. EA is not in the buisness of art for art's sake. Its whatever makes the most money in thoe shortest amount of time with the least work involved. Thats how all corporations work. They have a bottom line they have to maintain. Thats how things like MCO and E&B get cancelled.
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Deathjesters
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OSI "Art" "pre.UO:R" also won alot of rewards.. how many have u seen this team bring home?
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MacGamer
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I am going to the store to buy UO as we speak, and will be logged in for the rally.
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Gareth420
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Do you mean won a lot of awards? Rightly so it was the first really successful game of its kind. That does not mean it was because of the pre-uor content. If you remember a mass exodus of players went to EQ for numerous reasons not the least of which is the graphics.
This team has not done badly in my opinion. There were tons of problems I used to have that I no longer have. No one ever talks about bringing back the time warps, crashes, bugs, exploits etc that existed then. Everyone looks back and talks about how wonderful UO was then. It got horrible reviews in most magazines. They were hemmoraging users quicker than they could bring them back in.
Anyways pre-uor was not all gumdrop smiles and rainbows where everyone teamed up to protect the innocent players from the villans of UO. People are fooling themselves that players would have any sort of self control or policing whatsoever. It did not work when garriott tried it (he wrote alot about his disgust with the fact the game didnt turn into a utopia like he thought it would) and it will not work when/if EA tries it on a "classic" shard.
This team has not done badly in my opinion. There were tons of problems I used to have that I no longer have. No one ever talks about bringing back the time warps, crashes, bugs, exploits etc that existed then. Everyone looks back and talks about how wonderful UO was then. It got horrible reviews in most magazines. They were hemmoraging users quicker than they could bring them back in.
Anyways pre-uor was not all gumdrop smiles and rainbows where everyone teamed up to protect the innocent players from the villans of UO. People are fooling themselves that players would have any sort of self control or policing whatsoever. It did not work when garriott tried it (he wrote alot about his disgust with the fact the game didnt turn into a utopia like he thought it would) and it will not work when/if EA tries it on a "classic" shard.
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I am going to the store to buy UO as we speak, and will be logged in for the rally.
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You don't have to buy a copy of UO! There is a free download link in the first post.
I am going to the store to buy UO as we speak, and will be logged in for the rally.
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You don't have to buy a copy of UO! There is a free download link in the first post.
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Deathjesters
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UO wasnt the first.. there was one before... and UO also won rewards when EQ was out
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__Triz__
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Id perfer a Pub 15 Shard, i wouldnt mind pre UO:R, then again anything besides AoS!
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Widowtaker
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Replying to last for convience sake. I am currently in the process of wrapping up my 6 accounts, selling and quitting. Modern UO has about as much depth as a wading pool, IMHO. The only way I would stay with UO and EA is in a pre pub 16 environment. I would trash all current possessions and characters and start there from ground 0 if it ever came along. That was when UO was FUN! I have been here since Sept 97 and the game simply isn't fun anymore.
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imported_The-Noni-Trader
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I know how you feel there....
I consider myself somewhat of a diehard UOer... and I am now playing diablo II fulltime... simply as it offers me very much the same thing as UO does and it's free.
I consider myself somewhat of a diehard UOer... and I am now playing diablo II fulltime... simply as it offers me very much the same thing as UO does and it's free.
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Gareth420
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Ok I never said it was THE first. I said the was the first reallu successful one. Also what do you mean by rewards? What rewards?
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RooAvery
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All I can say is: SCOOOOORRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!
I remember our rally on Atlantic for an aussie shard back in 99. Few months later, some of which had to do with our contribution and dedication to rallying together, the shard was made! I will be there!!! *sticks post it note on monitor*
It will be a day to remember (and hopefully not be banned at)
Roo
I remember our rally on Atlantic for an aussie shard back in 99. Few months later, some of which had to do with our contribution and dedication to rallying together, the shard was made! I will be there!!! *sticks post it note on monitor*
It will be a day to remember (and hopefully not be banned at)
Roo
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Deathjesters
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Ok I never said it was THE first. I said the was the first reallu successful one. Also what do you mean by rewards? What rewards?
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Rewards for Best game, best new ideas .. u name it.. they won it..
there was a reward list when u clicked "Visitor CTR" on Uo.com... now its placed by AoS homepage
Ok I never said it was THE first. I said the was the first reallu successful one. Also what do you mean by rewards? What rewards?
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Rewards for Best game, best new ideas .. u name it.. they won it..
there was a reward list when u clicked "Visitor CTR" on Uo.com... now its placed by AoS homepage
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imported_The-Noni-Trader
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*has many fond memories of the green and gold floppy hats, shirts and long pants*
What a fight that was.....
What a fight that was.....
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RooAvery
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Haha, so true Noni-T. Was just talking to you in chat about this. Maaan... I'm taking my character AUSSIE SHARD tonight in memory of the Great Aussie Shard Rally of '99.
It's a good omen, they listened to us the first time, they will listen again!
It's a good omen, they listened to us the first time, they will listen again!
I hope they ban me. It will give me an excuse to finally close my LAST account after having 4 accounts....and that wasn't for BOD Runners either, lol. This game is so far gone now that a Pre:UOR shard is the ONLY thing that could POSSIBLY keep me playing anymore. I'm sorry Devs, you did what you thought was best and it was a horrific mistake. Chalk it up to experience and fix things soon or you're going to lose your livelihood...
Ban him for personally attacking himself!!!
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Replying To the Last Post For Convenience
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Replying To the Last Post For Convenience
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Gareth420
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They are call AWARDS not rewards. Also what awards? I do not remember UO winning squat. I remember 99% of magazines rated it poor because they tried to play got PKd and trash talked and never came back. When I have time later I will show you some links to those articles.
Thats a big reason EQ went with no non consentual pvp. It almost killed UO and even now people still think UO is like that. UO had a bad name from the start and still does.
Thats a big reason EQ went with no non consentual pvp. It almost killed UO and even now people still think UO is like that. UO had a bad name from the start and still does.
Online Game of the Year.
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Blind fury
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I was just looking at my UOR Box, and it has a ton of awards for the years 1998-1999.
Outstanding Achievement In Community Building -
Ultima Online stood out in this area during 1999, and earned nomination as the first winner of this new award. The team does a remarkable job keeping players and sites up to date with the latest news and information, and an ambitious program to recruit and train a greatly expanded volunteer staff is currently under way.
Wish they'd work on winning that one again...
Ultima Online stood out in this area during 1999, and earned nomination as the first winner of this new award. The team does a remarkable job keeping players and sites up to date with the latest news and information, and an ambitious program to recruit and train a greatly expanded volunteer staff is currently under way.
Wish they'd work on winning that one again...
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tra la la di da
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Id perfer a Pub 15 Shard, i wouldnt mind pre UO:R, then again anything besides AoS!
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I concur. Anything pre-AoS is alright with me.
Id perfer a Pub 15 Shard, i wouldnt mind pre UO:R, then again anything besides AoS!
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I concur. Anything pre-AoS is alright with me.
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Guest
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No idea if this was related to the rally, but a few moments ago Atlantic Felucca yew Moongate was flooded with dozens of players in green robes!
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OmgpwnedWinter
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lol well I'm on my way there! I'll be on ToW Winter.
Cmon folks....move it move it move it!
Cmon folks....move it move it move it!
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Sir Joe
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I was there, and it looked like pre-Brit invasion but not much of a rally.
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MinorMage
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I was there, and it looked like pre-Brit invasion but not much of a rally.
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Agreed. If the pre-uor shard comes into being, it won't be because of the players.
It will happen just because. At the most I saw 50-60, perhaps even 100.
Numbers just are not there.
I was there, and it looked like pre-Brit invasion but not much of a rally.
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Agreed. If the pre-uor shard comes into being, it won't be because of the players.
It will happen just because. At the most I saw 50-60, perhaps even 100.
Numbers just are not there.
I counted 150+ (conservative estimate, from counting rows - yes the bank was so packed it could be accurately counted as rows) at the peak. If you don't think that's very much, I challenge you to run a rally (especially one in Fel) for ANY other change to UO, and get more people to attend, I doubt you will find a single other subject that motivates the players more to get out and protest, not even UO's graphics.
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Sir Joe
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At the most I saw 50-60, perhaps even 100
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When I was there, witch might of been a little later after it started, there was maybe 25.
At the most I saw 50-60, perhaps even 100
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When I was there, witch might of been a little later after it started, there was maybe 25.
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Dor of Sonoma
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*nods*
What Spree and Hemi said.
There were lots and lots of people.
What Spree and Hemi said.
There were lots and lots of people.
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Guest
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There was way more then 25. A 3x3 area can fit 9 players. Nearly every part of the front of the bank was packed with players. I went and measured a rough area and it was 10 x 20.
I will check screenshots and attempt to count.
I will check screenshots and attempt to count.
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Sir Joe
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I just did a screen shot about 15 mins ago and here it is: I posted on my shards forum, becuase I wanted them to know about it. But I will repost it here:
Most people were by the south corner of the bank, where I stood and took screen shot, that's me on the horse in red leather armor in middle next to the guy with the blue cape.
Most people were by the south corner of the bank, where I stood and took screen shot, that's me on the horse in red leather armor in middle next to the guy with the blue cape.
The most populated single screenshot I have (which was taken at a time when it was substantially less populated than the peak), comes to 125 people, all visible and countable. Accounting for offscreen people (the bank area is pretty big), we're talking 140 minimum, probably more, and the peak was easily 25% more than that.
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Dor of Sonoma
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Silly bean!
The Rally had ended before you took that shot!
*grins*
It started at 2pm Pacific time...
The Rally had ended before you took that shot!
*grins*
It started at 2pm Pacific time...
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Sir Joe
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Well, I think that is an inflated number. So, you are with the protestors or trying to cover up the low UO subsciption? *raises eyebrow*
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