The One and Only Pre-UOR Thread! Update -- 3 Polls of Results

[azmodanb]

Ummm did I say I wanted them to merge anything? LOL no ...

I was just saying I would happily give up my houses for a merge. That's it..

I said it would help in getting more people together... more like the old days.

How would they do this merge, ez... I could think of many ways to make it possible. But this topic like you said is not about that.

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I think it only logical that they give a Pre:UOR Shard a chance. Lets face it, they've been steadily losing subscriptions since shortly after the release of AoS. They need to try something different. Continuing to do what they've been doing is obviously not working. I think this would help things.

There's 2 things that I think would bring in more new subscriptions...

Pre:UOR Shard
Client/Graphics Overhaul

I believe a Pre:UOR Shard would be the easier of the two.

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BUT I just dont see people comming back for a PRE shard.. yes people may MOVE to it from other shards... the ones that have stuck it out... but the people we have lost years ago ... because they did not like the AOS changes... are gone.

They are playing Freeshards... and why pay 12.99 when your playing for free.... or they have moved onto other games, WoW, etc... and I dont see them moving back is all ... cuz well if they wanted to play UO on a PRE R shard rather then a whole different game they would be in the group that is playing freeshards....

So IMO, EA would be better off spending money on improving the current game.

 

[Damon Blackblade]

"its so sad"

True.

So, I take it that you support a Pre:UOR Shard, then?

 

[Damon Blackblade]

Well, just about everyone i've talked to said they would come back to an EA Pre:UOR Shard for the things that you CANNOT get from a Free Shard...well, its limited compared to a funded shard at least.

*Customer Service/GM Support
*Persistance - Free Shards tend to go under from lack of funding....because someone has to pay for them. People would want a world that they're not afraid of disappearing next month.
*Griefers/Hackers/Exploiters - Can't really ban them on Free Shards. Not enough resources to police these types of players.

...and many other reasons.

I'm sure there are some out there who would not come back and would continue to play on Free Shards, but to be honest...I have yet to talk to one of them.

I wanted to comment on this, though:
"said it would help in getting more people together... more like the old days."

You've hit upon something i've brought up in the past. There truly is too many lands out there scattering people to the winds... If housing was a problem, they should have allowed people to "rent" out town buildings for their 1 house per account. Continually adding landmasses only spreads people out and further hurts the community aspect of this game. More lands weren't necessary...more content was...

 

[Guest]

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why is it that the 3 "top" ranking games.. is pvp based.. L1 L2 &amp; WoW

and PvM(E) games EQ Eq2 UO.. aint even close..


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Because the majority of players want a challenge that is fun. PVP is the only way to provide this challenge for lots of players, while some are just as happy fighting PvM all the time. UO thought PvM was the way to go because of how well Everquest did. That was dead wrong. All Everquest did was draw all the players who wanted to PvM.

PVP is a nessessary component of most successful MMORPGs today, which is why WoW is rushing to get their battlegrounds stuff out. The UO developers are still running around with question marks over their heads on what to do. Should they continue to appease their PvM base, or work towards expanding their PVP base like other games.

Now someone is going to say what about Shadowbane. Well Shadowbane was just too hard for the majority of players. Players want casual PVP, not "defend your base for 24 hours 7 days a week" PVP. The funny thing is the developers did pretty much the same thing with Factions, and we all see how that didn't last.

 

[azmodanb]

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The funny thing is the developers did pretty much the same thing with Factions, and we all see how that didn't last.

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Shadowbane should have learned from UO's faction system. As UO's faction system was around before. heh.

I am having just as much fun now with current pvp as I did in the past, it's just different. Still 20 vs 20 battles etc... that get the heart pumping like the old days.

 

[TapionUO]

And here I thought I would never register on stratics but this thread has caught my interest and over and over azmodanb I see you post the same thing over and over like a broken record so here I am to help you understand so pay attention...

Freeshards are NOT a perfect replica of Pre:UOR anyone with a decent memory can instantly feel something is wrong when they go on a freeshard its just not correct I dont think any of them is a complete perfect replica. An official Pre:UOR shard will attract a large number of people I would gladly dish out 12.99 to play UO in any stage as long as its Pre:AoS.

You do not see them moving from WoW? Evocare is working on WoW! It has a foul AoS aura all over it I know plenty of people that would leave WoW for a Pre:UOR shard.

 

[Guest]

<u>People want a classic shard. I speak from experience.</u>

 

[Deathjesters]

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The funny thing is the developers did pretty much the same thing with Factions, and we all see how that didn't last.

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Shadowbane should have learned from UO's faction system. As UO's faction system was around before. heh.

I am having just as much fun now with current pvp as I did in the past, it's just different. Still 20 vs 20 battles etc... that get the heart pumping like the old days.

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when i played faction on europa.. we had 200vs 200 battles.. a Faction Quest by a IGM...

do u still have that?
i dont think so

 

[Adrenaline]

I am all for it. This is an outstanding idea. I can only hope that when they said that the new thing is "Something that vets will love" is what this thread is talking about.

Short story. When I was in high school is when I started to play UO. First it was street fighter that everyone in school lunch talked about, then Mortal Kombat, then I meet this crowd that were beta testing this game called Ultima Online. Once the game was released there was about 18 of us from my school that played UO religiously on the Atlantic shard. That was 1997, now in 2005 I am the last of the dying breed. The other 3 left UO about a month after AOS. And you might say im making this up, but they ALL play on freeshards. Same guild, everything minus me. I know for a fact that 6 would come back and im sure the others would also but I dont keep in contact with them like I used to.

Moral of my boring story is, people love uo as it is, and people love UO as it was. No harm what so ever making a totally new shard with pub 15 rules. Origin was a new shard, and its one of the most populated servers. What would everyone want to start from scratch?? Because item based game is not for everyone. Pre UO:R shard would increase subscriptions, and not damage any. No one in there right mind would quit UO cause they made a new shard that your not obligated to play on.

Outstanding idea and I think you should be praised, not flamed.

 

[imported_The-Noni-Trader]

Just a reply in General JC Not to you specifically....

Was wondering if anyone read all of what Designer Dragon Had to say about the subject of the requirement for the Trammel changes... He HATED the coding crutch... but knew that at the time it was necessary... we couldnt look after ourselves was the specific reason... one way to change that was the thing I mentioned with unique character names...

That way there is a lot more security with dealing with other people... and a lot more of a repercussion for your actions based on everyone will know it was truly YOU who did something wrong.. and you will be persecuted for it...


I dont see anywhere in this discussion people trying to figure out how to make a pre-ren shard successful in the longterm... successful against scammers... successful against grief players.... I see a lot of trammie scammers and griefers chomping at the bit to get to an area where they can wreak havoc and do their worst and know that it will truly have a VAST effect on the player as they are PAYING for their time... [the reason they havent left for the free shards]...

How do we combat the scum that we are surely to get?

Guild titles only go so far... and they ARENT available to all...

Unique names only go so far also.... because we need players who care enough about the community, supporting it and what not... to be able to communicate with the community on the whole.. regarding scams and murderous rampages and such..

Are we going to have towns for the opposing sides of the coin? Good towns and Evil towns [by towns I am talking player run]

What do you do with the [to use DD's term for it] "virtual sociopaths" ... Unique names makes things somewhat more personal so it's harder for these types to just discard you as "a character in UO".
How do we instil in these people that they are actually involved in a virtual world and not just an online game?
Unique Names, Difficult skillgain, Few big ticket items [houses were basically the only big ticket items back then... and this can be fixed with cheap brokering, I am sure there are many who would put their reputations on the line for this..] these are all things that make it more difficult for a person to decide to destroy their characters name in order for a little grief play.

We also need a mass communication medium... for times when there are roving bands of grief players that must be stopped at all costs and such



Which ERA of pre ren we are talking about is also important... I think just prior to the renaissance was the best personally, the least buggy, healing others was more beneficial than healing yourself, parrying meant A LOT, resist meant A LOT, the classes were quite distinct....
Re-Equipping so you could go fight again was easy... even if you werent equipping the best stuff... loot was still hard to come by... [granted not as hard as it once was]



Just some food for thought and discussion.

 

[insanekilla]

I think the idea of a pre-t2a shard would be awesome. It would bring back old players who left after AOS and possibly give new players a taste of the old. Whats the loss? Don't want to spend the money? - it would be a poor business venture not to with all the obvious support of it. My only objection would be the implementation of stat-loss. It would single-handedly defeat the entire purpose of a pre-uor shard. It would be nice to see a shard in total chaos - good vs evil, kind of like siege is supposed to be. Vets could return to populate the shard and current players who deam themselves tough enough could take a stab at the old way of life.

 

[imported_The-Noni-Trader]

What exactly do you mean "IMPLEMENTING" statloss?

It was around pre-ren as one of the checks and balances for the rampant "virtual sociopathy" which occurs when people have a game and distance to buffer them from each other and disassociate themselves.



What you meant was "my only suggestion would be to remove statloss from the code.... or go back to the time of dread lords/ladies instead of murderers" right?

 

[Guest]

There has to be some sort of penalty for murderers. The only penalty ever implemented was "stat loss". Maybe it should be re-evaluated and a new penalty be created as stat loss was a bit extreme. No player should have to sit around dead for hours and hours doing nothing.

 

[imported_The-Noni-Trader]

They didnt...

They resurrected and sat around alive for hours and hours re-training their skills


I personally never saw statloss as harsh... I saw murderous rampages of 3,000 players harsh

And the casual or opportunistic murderer [in my mind] obviously has no respect to the rules of the community if he can get away with it therefore statloss is more than appropriate to those types.



By the way... I personally wouldnt support a non pre-ren shard.. I wouldnt advocate a pub 16 shard... nor would I advocate a pub 16 siege - malas/tokuno/ilsh.

But thats my opinion and i wont run against anyone who does

 

[Toutchstone]

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BUT I just dont see people comming back for a PRE shard.. yes people may MOVE to it from other shards... the ones that have stuck it out... but the people we have lost years ago ... because they did not like the AOS changes... are gone.

They are playing Freeshards... and why pay 12.99 when your playing for free.... or they have moved onto other games, WoW, etc... and I dont see them moving back is all ... cuz well if they wanted to play UO on a PRE R shard rather then a whole different game they would be in the group that is playing freeshards....

So IMO, EA would be better off spending money on improving the current game.

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This is actually my first time posting on stratics, although I played UO since T2A, and I quit the game at AOS. From that you can probably infer my standing towards a possible PRE-UOR shard.

You make a good point when you question why any player would come back and pay money when they get what they want with a freeshard.

Well, there are reasons why they would. The players were forced to freeshards because it was the only place they could obtain that experiance of Ultima as they enjoyed it, an experiance that has been altered to nothing much like it originally was. There are people who prefer it now, and other who do not - that is a matter of opinion.

Now, I know for a fact people would return to this shard. I spent time talking to people on my mic, some people I became friends with, and they have told me they will never again use a freeshard, infact they will only play UO again if there is a official PRE-UOR shard.

The players that play freeshards will probably flock back to the official ones. I say probably because nothing is a certainty in life, but there is a high chance. In modern life, a tenner a month or whatever it is is money well spent for the stability that an EA server will provide - there will be no corruption because the devs have signed contracts, and are paid. An official server will always be so much more popular from the outset, especially if they get it right.

Please also bear in mind 50% of player run shard players chug alot of money into these shards via donations. Of course this is their own choice, but at the end of the day it amounts similarly to subscription - "subscribe to our freeshard and your account wont decay" (I say subscribe as in they pay a certain £$ a month in donations, it is legally not a subscription).

Also, remember eventually freeshards shut down. Admins of them get bored and dont want to continue wasting their time for nothing. Official shards provide stability and a certain guarentee - nothing comes free in this world.

Now, there is also a market for players for whom playing a freeshard never really sat well with. They would only return for an official shard.

Some people would move from the current shards I'm sure. Others would straight away drop their freeshard and start giving up the goods for a proper shard. Others would return to UO completely.

I'm more than certain such a shard would be a great success, and I would highly recommend it to the devs to listen now and perhaps really make a difference.

On a final note I'd like to say this to those who are fans of the current UO - a PRE-UOR shard is good for you.

Why? Becuase a PRE-UOR shard will bring in many players to the UO world. Hence the life of this game will be lengthened. How much longer can UO currently go at the moment? More people paying and playing means there is a better chance this game will be going May next year - so dont be so fast to say we dont want this, because it might just help you out

<font color="green">I will play PRE-UOR, and I have not been on UO for years. </font>

 

[insanekilla]

Ya my mistake stat loss was around pre-uor, I guess it would be preferable to to go back to the time of dread lords and ladies - but either way I'd play - I suppose stat loss would also cut down on the amount of ganking and crappy pks, more kills for me

 

[azmodanb]

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The funny thing is the developers did pretty much the same thing with Factions, and we all see how that didn't last.

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Shadowbane should have learned from UO's faction system. As UO's faction system was around before. heh.

I am having just as much fun now with current pvp as I did in the past, it's just different. Still 20 vs 20 battles etc... that get the heart pumping like the old days.

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when i played faction on europa.. we had 200vs 200 battles.. a Faction Quest by a IGM...

do u still have that?
i dont think so

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Europa was the last shard to have a faction scene .. and Baja had some.

No there are not 200 vs 200 battles no more. Plus I would not want to be there due to lag reasons and not being able to move in that big of a battle.

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Freeshards are NOT a perfect replica of Pre:UOR anyone with a decent memory can instantly feel something is wrong when they go on a freeshard its just not correct I dont think any of them is a complete perfect replica. An official Pre:UOR shard will attract a large number of people I would gladly dish out 12.99 to play UO in any stage as long as its Pre:AoS.

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I know this. But some are very very close. Good luck on trying to get this "new shard" in place. I just dont see it happening. And again IMO I would rather see there money and time spent on something else. That's good I am a broken record... sometimes people need to hear it a few times before they get it.

And when someone comes back at me with something In there opinion I come back with mine.

It's called a message board. I am sorry that I left a few messages.

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Now, I know for a fact people would return to this shard. I spent time talking to people on my mic, some people I became friends with, and they have told me they will never again use a freeshard, infact they will only play UO again if there is a official PRE-UOR shard.

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I am glad that hear-say is fact now a days... *laff*

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when i played faction on europa.. we had 200vs 200 battles.. a Faction Quest by a IGM...

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Yeah well when I started playing a few months from beta everyone woar capes and robes. Past is past. Plus get 400 people in the same area, yeah I would like to see that happen. 25 vs 25 on todays servers, with everyone on both sides on DSL there is so much lag that goes on it's not even funny.

 

[Gangus]

Old style moongates...
the moongate wasnt always at a location, they would appear at a certain moongate spot and a certain time, and you didnt get to choose the town, it would take you from brit to glow at 11 pm in game time....

You had to know what time to be at which gate to go to somewhere, or simply walk or boat...I think this is a big key in what is missing in Uo today...no one walks anywhere...the Moongates need to go back to the way they used to be if they make a Pre:ren shard.

 

[Toutchstone]

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I am glad that hear-say is fact now a days... *laff*

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I'm not quite sure what you are getting at here, it doesnt really matter, because I know that a PRE-UOR shard would be popular, and it would be good for this game. Again I will repeat, because maybe some people need to see it a few times, I know people who dont want to play freeshards anymore because of corruption. The only time they will play UO again is via a official shard.

 

[Damon Blackblade]

Corruption, Customer Support, and Permanence are what is wrong with Free Shards...

You can't count on them being there tomorrow.
You can't count on the Admins to be fair...because they don't have to be.
You can't count on Customer Support.

Address those issues on Free Shards and they thrive...which is why EA should be cranking one out ASAP.

 

[Gareth420]

You forgot the most important part. They are free. Now if EA makes a shard thats free with no consequences for any actions then ya it will be popular. Otherwise it will not.

 

[TheRealIfrit]

InsaneKilla
You are contradicting yourself in your post...
I just want to clarify.... Do you want a pre t2a shard or a pre UO:R shard set in T2A? Pre T2A and T2A was infinitely different.
I loved the original game when it was released (pre t2a we are talking about) but that time period os something that by no means should we hope to go back to. It was a fun time at the time it was happening, but it really was their to show us what the game could be...I.E: T2A. Before T2A the game was fun, but by todays strandards it would be trash and shouldn't be something we should go back to. thats why T2A was in my opinion, and many peoples opinions, the golden age of UO

 

[Damon Blackblade]

People keep bringing up this "free" concept and it does hold some water to an extent. I do know of people who have NEVER played on a Production UO Shard that play on Free Shards....but the Majority of the people I have encountered are EX-UO Players. They quit UO because of UO:R....or UO:LBR...or AoS...or more recently...because they didn't revert AoS. The underlying reason so many of them left was that the game that they enjoyed playing was GONE. They loved the old UO. Bring it back and they'll love it again.

People can keep arguing the "free" concept, but it only discounts a SMALL percentage of the possible numbers.


Anywho, a Pre:UOR Shard would have to have strick guidelines for content additions...

They would have to go through several filters to make sure that the goals and ideals of a Pre:UOR shard are adhered to. What those goals and ideals should be, I leave to the Devs and Players...

 

[Damon Blackblade]

Personally, I think that they should start with JUST Felucca...and add T2A when Dungeons in Felucca became overcrowded. NO MORE LANDMASSES AFTER THAT.

It would scatter people too much and destroy the community of the game. Open a new shard, do not tack on another landmass.

Or, here's a reeeeally crazy idea...design a "New" Feluccan landmass just for the shard. I know that would require much more work, but a new land to explore would be pretty cool.

Heck, with all the land design tools out there for Free Shards, they could even have a contest and have players design them...

 

[Gareth420]

Sounds to me like a money pit. They would have to put forth a massive amount of effort with no guarantee the players who left would come back. I just do not see peopel who are happy playing on a free shard all the sudden throwing money at EA when they can play for free somewhere else.

Also these people might have quit they also might have gotten banned too. Everyone said when they made siege it would be overloaded with players etc etc and none of that happened. To me (in my opinion) it would be a waste of money and resources to have to babbysit this shard, take polls everytime there is an update, try and please these people who have vastly different viewpoints on what pre uor actually was and then try and find a place to put the server everyone would be happy with.

Thats an impossible task in my opinion that would cost way more than the revenue generated by the shard. Also if they make that shard before they make another production shard in europe they will lose a massive amount of players in europe who are fed up with having only one shard.

 

[Damon Blackblade]

Well, you're also missing a lot of other indirect benefits of them pursuing a Pre:UOR Shard.

By pursuing a Pre:UOR Shard, they are in effect pursuing Specialized Shards. This is one of the big trends in gaming today that UO hasn't really gotten into. So, a spin-off of a Pre:UOR Shard may be other Specialized Shards that could attract many other types of players other than Pre:UOR types.

It opens the door to a lot of possibilities.

 

[Gareth420]

Yes more money spread the already think populations even thinner. Spend more money for the same profit. EQ has these types of shards but they also have 400k subs. UO doesnt have the player base and never will.

 

[Damon Blackblade]

Did you ever think that they do not have the playerbase because they turn away so many of them with their lack of Specialized Shards? By forcing them to play JUST one way.

UO has supposedly lost 100,000 subscriptions since AoS. I bet those players would like a specialized shard without AoS enhancements at a minimum...

 

[Blind fury]

[*]New Graphics Engine [*]Pre-UOR Shard [*]Bring Back Counsellors [*]Revamp Crafting [*]Advertising

These are the major things UO needs to do. A new graphics engine with good advertising will bring in tons of people, probably more then a Pre-UOR shard. A Pre-UOR shard would bring back a large chunk of vets, which would be great. Bringing back counsellors would help with the disgusting amounts of players that UO would have. And fixing crafting would make people happy.

 

[insanekilla]

Ya I reread my post and your right I mention Pre-UOR and Pre-T2A, not much of a difference - besides for stat loss and one big gay extra landmass - for the most part the pvp rules were the same and thats what my main concern is about. I would prefer if they left t2a out of it, spreads out people way too much. Either way its not much of a difference for me.

 

[Zeitgeist]

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There has to be some sort of penalty for murderers. The only penalty ever implemented was "stat loss". Maybe it should be re-evaluated and a new penalty be created as stat loss was a bit extreme. No player should have to sit around dead for hours and hours doing nothing.

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I think stats loss was a good idea. Pking was entirely too rampant; it kept a balance on it. Late 1999, introduction of runebooks/skill locks, was the Golden Age of UO in my opinion.

I'm all for a Pre-Ren shard and always have been but lets not get confused, this is not a "PVP shard."

 

[Reflection]

*replying to last for convenience*

I just wanted to add my support for a Pre UOR shard. I would absolutely be there. I would like t2a to be included, but if its not, no big deal.

Only reason I support t2a is because I started playing when it was released. I used to love working up skills at the orc fort and then some random red would come through (solo too, imagine that) and scatter everyone. Killing a few peeps and then run off with a bit of gold. ***ahhh, them were the days****

 

[Gareth420]

You personally know all those people left due to the fact they want a pre uor shard? I somehow doubt that. Also noone knows exactly how many subs have been lost. Again using hear-say as fact. I think alot of those subs left due to the fact that europe has only 1 shard while they made a new shard for NA users and one for asian users.

I can no more prove it than you can prove they would all somehow come back for a pre uor shard. Also EQ had 400k+ subs before they had any specialized shards. They were hemmoraging customers until they made all normal shards consentual pvp only. To not lose the pvp crowd they made a couple of pvp zone shards.

Also the EQ specialized shards cost more per month. Do you think all those guys playing the free shards would come off $30 a mo for their "dream"? If so it might be worth it to make the shard. It would be alot easier for them to justify the shard creation if they could show how it would profit EA. I somehow doubt people would be coming back in droves even if it was the same price.

You cannot ask EA to make this shard, make an entire team dedicated to this one shard only, GM staff for this one shard only and you want it for the same price. EQ charges up to $39.95 a month depending on where you play.

 

[insanekilla]

Look at the survey taken on this forum... I don't know where you get the idea that people won't support the shard when the majority is in "Very interested." It would be a poor business venture not to have AT LEAST one shard that is strictly PRE-UOR. Considering they have how many normal shards? Believe me its not out of EA's interested to create another shard because they already support so many and the "chance" that it could bring it how many ever hundreds of more subscriptions. There is a huge community out there willing to pay for Pre-UOR shards, and if done correctly and advertised properly it could essentially bring UO back to life. They do know this and its not even arguable. Within about all the 8 some years I have actually played devleopment has never gone out of it's way to investigate something like a Pre-UOR shard, maybe they finally realize its not expansions that is kicking their financials ass and subscriptions but the implementation thereof. Please, particularly with a company like EA money and development is not an issue, especially on a shard like that. Beleive me, you'll still get your christmas bells every christmas.

 

[Reflection]

I just want to add, for all the people who say ''go to siege....blah blah blah''. I do have a character on siege, siege is so vacant now, it sucks. Not only that, but I don't like having only one character slot.

Furthermore, siege is not pre uor. I want to have my 6 character slots, and I want it pre uor. It would be so much fun. I am not going to speculate as to how many people would come back to UO, but I know at least 3 people who would. One of them is the one who got me started in UO, and my account is 64 months old.


Edit** Especially since thieves would be fun to play again. **drools** Ahh, and then playing a true assassin again....omfg that was so much fun back in the day. People had to actually target you to be able to kick you out of their house etc...

I truly think EA could do this. For example, just consolidate two shards in to one (the two least populated). Then use that one extra shard as a pre uor.

 

[insanekilla]

Exactly why I said it wouldn't be difficult at all for them to do it, in fact if I recall correctly they've done this with shards before, and a dev team "only" for the Pre UOR shard is not as difficult to assemble - or expensive - as one may think, particularly a shard that doesn't need to be devleoped but moreso maintained.

 

[OmgpwnedWinter]

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You cannot ask EA to make this shard, make an entire team dedicated to this one shard only, GM staff for this one shard only and you want it for the same price.

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Sure we can. We are paying customers. We support UO. Ready?

EA, make this shard with an entire team dedicated to this shard only, a GM staff for this one shard and I want it for the same price I currently pay. Thank you EA.

See how easy that was?

Now, anyone, and I mean ANYONE that doesn't believe a pre-uor shard would make money is wrong. There has been an outcry since AoS for a retro shard. Tens of thousands of people have left uo BECAUSE they hated AoS and everything that followed.

Don't believe me?

Do your own research.

Go in game, any shard, and ask 20 random vets that were around before AoS if they would play a shard that was pre-AoS or pre-uor.

Now, go to any website that supports a uo player run shard and make a post asking the same question.

More than half will say they will play said shard or come come back to uo to play such a shard.

Probably more than half.

EA will make such a shard or they would have never asked the question in the survey. Now, it's just a matter of WHEN will they be making it and will it be so heavily populated that they will need to dedicate 1,2, or 3 more shards to the same pre-uor theme

 

[insanekilla]

Couldn't have said it better myself. It seems like you pull these random facts out of your ass as to why it wouldn't be a good idea - why are you all so against it when you dont even have to play it, knowing it won't effect your gameplay at all. It won't change a damn thing other than the amount of subscriptions.

 

[Stuffa]

suweeeeeeeet


I didn't think about getting a 15 day trial...


I think ima just gonna get that quick 15 day trial so I can come watch this event I'm betting it'll be pretty hefty whether people support the idea or not keke

Stufflettian of Doom

 

[Reflection]

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why are you all so against it when you dont even have to play it, knowing it won't effect your gameplay at all. It won't change a damn thing other than the amount of subscriptions.

[/ QUOTE ]


I question that myself. What difference does it make to those who don't want to play it? They don't have to play it...but for those who do want to play it, and for those who would come back to the game for it, what is there to lose?

Worst case scenario, it doesn't work out. Shut it down.

 

[Gareth420]

The survey on this forum hardly represents the majority of UO players. First off you can create multiple account son here from the same IP and skew the results. Second alot of people who "voted" do not even play UO and will not come back for a pre uor shard. Thirdly you say oh tis simple wont cost anything. Servers are not cheap. Labor to start and run them also are not cheap. Having to support 2 totally different types of games also costs alot of money.

Fact is you people cannot even agree on what pre uor is. I find it odd all these vets been playing 8 years now have like 3 posts on stratics. All the stratics accts made in the last month. Kind of odd isnt it? EA will see that the vocal minority on stratics does not speak for the playerbase. 100 people hardly represents a majority of players in UO.

 

[Blind fury]

Yes, Gareth you are right, it would probably cost quite a bit to run a new server on a different code. You say it is waste of money and resources, but what are the devs even doing with the UO resources? Unless they plan on the next expansion having a new 3D engine, then we will keep seeing a steady decline in subcriptions. You might not believe that less people play nowadays, but I can walk all over Pacific and figure out that UO ain't what it use to be subscription wise.

If they arn't putting in the effort to get new subscribers, either then just plopping out pointless expansions, then I don't see what the problem with bringing back a bunch of vet players is.

 

[insanekilla]

The fact is and at their own fault these forums are the only slightly practical, though not direct way of contacting them and telling them what we want... If they came out with a pre-uor server would you play it Gareth420? No? Then shut the [censored] up because it doesn't concern you one bit. I'm sure EA isn't going to implement something that is going to hurt their financials that badly after their prior faults or for that matter will it effect you that greatly that you will notice it in game. At the end of the day if/when the server is implemented you will get your L33T beetle and your christmas bells. You don't get your damn european shard so other people cant have what they want, even though the majority of the people on these forums have expressed a greater interest than not in one. - congratulations, you're a hater. People like you make me sick.

 

[Surgeries]

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If they came out with a pre-uor server would you play it Gareth420? No? Then shut the [censored] up because it doesn't concern you one bit.

[/ QUOTE ] Boy...I can already see the kind of players, if you are even slightly representative of the type of player that would play a Pre Ren Shard, would attract.

No thanks. I hope EA doesn't spend one, red cent on a project that would attract a player with your attitude, and demeanor.

<blockquote><hr>

At the end of the day if/when the server is implemented you will get your L33T beetle and your christmas bells. You don't get your damn european shard so other people cant have what they want, even though the majority of the people on these forums have expressed a greater interest than not in one. - congratulations, you're a hater. People like you make me sick.

[/ QUOTE ]
He's a hater? LOL

You may need a mirror. Real quick, too...

 

[insanekilla]

Try reading a few of his posts on other boards before your start to make your assumptions. My big problem with him, and a few other people is what exactly does it take away from you - why are you so against it when it doesn't even effect you? If you don't want to play it, then don't, that doesn't mean other people dont want to play one.

His major concern has been with opening a european shard which is completely contradictory to his arguements against a pre-uor shard. And surgeries, if you chose to live in a world where everything is what you would like it to be you leave yourself ignorant and blind. You don't want to play with me? - then don't. You don't want people like me playing a game? - you contradict your own little sig thing "Truth is truth...." the truth is people like me and alot of people not like me want a pre-uor shard and we all beleive not only would it increase subscriptions for UO but bring a new dynamic back to the game. Beleive me your going to get people like me playing, and already do, with or without a pre-uor shard. You can't refute such a thing and to do so would be ignorant.

For me to be a hater I would have to oppose something he wants because I don't have it, which I don't. If they put up a european shard I could care less.

 

[Gareth420]

Well said. I do nto even bother replying to someone who resorts to personal attacks. I do know that european players have been asking for years for another shard to play on. I know quite a few people who quit because they made yet another NA shard while ignoring the european players.

As far as making a pre uor shard not affecting me. It does affect everyone in UO when they expend resources on something that does not appeal to the majority of players. I am sure if you gave a poll of players on all shards and asked them if they wanted a pre uor shard or another production shard they would choose another production shard.

If we just keep quiet and shut the (censored) up how will EA know what the players want. If they spend all kinds of money and time on something that doesnt appeal to the rest of the player base then things like pvp on production shards, the state of crafting (or non state) and other things which need fixed.

Just seems pointless to me to spend time and resouces on something only a minority of players would make use of. Siege is there for people who want it. If they were to make the "classic" shard you will hear the same arguments. For example some want runics some dont. Some want pbs some dont. Some want artifacts some dont. Some want the server in europe some want it in usa (and some want it in asia somewhere). Noone will ever be able to agree on what it should be and where it should be.

Saying that we should just keep quiet if we do not want a pre uor shard is the same as me saying shut up if you do want one. Everyone has a right to voice an opinion. Opinions cannot be wrong or right they are just opinions. I find it odd that 100 people have voted (of which we cannot verify if 50 votes came from one person) says the vast majority of players want this. Thats simply not true.

 

[imported_The-Noni-Trader]

Pre-Ren Supporters....

Can we please get a concensus on what exactly we expect of a pre-ren shard...

Do we mean the publish JUST before trammel?
Do we mean the time of dread lords and ladies?

Or do you just mean an abortion of today's world without the item properties?


There was no faction prior to trammel by the by.... or at least thats what my memory serves me to believe.



By the way... yes.. I was one of the players calling for the trammel change... hindsight is a wonderful thing....
I wanted to blame someone else for my own failings and the failings of the community for not policing the world better.

 

[Toutchstone]

<blockquote><hr>

Pre-Ren Supporters....

Can we please get a concensus on what exactly we expect of a pre-ren shard...

Do we mean the publish JUST before trammel?
Do we mean the time of dread lords and ladies?

Or do you just mean an abortion of today's world without the item properties?


There was no faction prior to trammel by the by.... or at least thats what my memory serves me to believe.



By the way... yes.. I was one of the players calling for the trammel change... hindsight is a wonderful thing....
I wanted to blame someone else for my own failings and the failings of the community for not policing the world better.

[/ QUOTE ]

Any time of UO before tram is good. People just want a pre trammel shard, heck even a pre-AoS one would be fine, just without all the lands. Many lands splits people up..

 

[Surgeries]

<blockquote><hr>

Try reading a few of his posts on other boards before your start to make your assumptions.

[/ QUOTE ]

I did read them. I am not referring to his post(s).

Specifically, I read a post telling someone to STFU. That is never a nice thing to say to anyone, ever, IMO.

I have made plenty of highly opinionated and passionate posts. But indeed, since I would not like to be told to STFU, I don't do it to others. I may not always agree, and I can be very sarcastic at times, but I do try to show at least a modicum of respect when I do disagree. I certainly don't tell others that do not agree with me to STFU. You, on the other hand, do. Not cool, IMO.

You know...the old Golden Rule. You were rude, dude, IMO...plain and simple.
<blockquote><hr>

My big problem with him, and a few other people is what exactly does it take away from you - why are you so against it when it doesn't even effect you? If you don't want to play it, then don't, that doesn't mean other people dont want to play one.


[/ QUOTE ]

I am against anything that would cost EA money, and not provide the needed ROI. I am against spending money to appease a small highly vocal minority, when it is a proven fact that, although predators will gladly pay to play a Pre UO:R Shard, and likely a few victims will pay to get whacked and stolen from for a while, that a vast majority of current and previous subscribers will not. Guess what happens then? We have an empty shard that cost a boatload of money to start, and has monthly costs to maintain, and there will be a bunch of Predators crying to EA to do something to get more players to come and play.

Not my idea of a good time, nor a good way to spend limited resources, either.

Is THAT clear enough for you?

Also...if you refer to my very, very first post in this thread, and answer the questions posed, it may help to clarify why it bothers me so

<blockquote><hr>

And surgeries, if you chose to live in a world where everything is what you would like it to be you leave yourself ignorant and blind.

[/ QUOTE ]

Huh? You say because I like Consensual Only PvP, I am somehow ignorant and blind? Hmmmmmmmmmmm....interesting logic there, I must say....
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You don't want to play with me? - then don't.

[/ QUOTE ]

Deal.
<blockquote><hr>

You don't want people like me playing a game? -

[/ QUOTE ]

Not what I said. You will need to go back and re-read what I said, it would appear.
<blockquote><hr>

you contradict your own little sig thing "Truth is truth...." the truth is people like me and alot of people not like me want a pre-uor shard and we all beleive not only would it increase subscriptions for UO but bring a new dynamic back to the game.

[/ QUOTE ]
Of course you do.

However, as I have stated many, many times in this and other threads, why don't you all pool up the hundreds of thousands of dollars needed to get the project off the ground (should be very easy with all of the tens of thoudsands waiting to sign up), and if even one month shard population drops below the "Thousands and Thousands" that would return to such a shard, then they just shut the shard down asap, as to avoid any further drains on resources.

Sound fair? Sounds like a win-win to me!

And, by the way...you have nothing to back up your "Truth". Nothing but your and 35(+/-) other people's word for it. Hardly enough to warrant such a claim, IMO. I can hold up 5 years of landmasses, rulesets etc. Yes..I know...EA was wrong for doing what they did...yada yada. Fact remains...the Truth is...MOST people won't pay to play such a game, IMO. I could most definitely be incorrect in this assumption, but so far, that does seem to be the truth. Should their survey show overwhelming support for such a shard, and the results are what you say they will be, and they do start such a shard, and it is a winner, then everyone wins. I can continue to play where I cannot be killed by another player against my will, and you will have your Pre UO:R Shard, AND EA will profit from their invvestment.

If the survey shows there isn't enough support, and they don't start a shard as a result of such research, everyone still wins. You can continue to play UO in Fel or on Siege or on a Freeshard, and the majority of players who wouldn't pay to play such a shard can continue to play in the Trammel rulesets.

Either way...the Truth WILL be the Truth...regardless whether you and I believe it, or if we are even aware of it.
<blockquote><hr>

Beleive me your going to get people like me playing, and already do, with or without a pre-uor shard. You can't refute such a thing and to do so would be ignorant

[/ QUOTE ]
Yup. People like you play. Wouldn't try to refute that. Wouldn't want to be "Ignorant", now would I?

<blockquote><hr>

For me to be a hater I would have to oppose something he wants because I don't have it, which I don't.

[/ QUOTE ]
No...incorrect. Here is what a Hater does, based on a well known source of that information:

<blockquote>hate ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ht)
v. hat·ed, hat·ing, hates
v. tr.

To feel hostility or animosity toward.
To detest.
To feel dislike or distaste for: hates washing dishes.

v. intr.
To feel hatred.

n.
Intense animosity or dislike; hatred.
An object of detestation or hatred: My pet hate is tardiness. </blockquote>

In this case, you are a hater, by this definition. Telling someone to STFU would most assuredly fit this definition.

 

[Toutchstone]

oh and as long as it doesnt gets mixed up with stuff from before, unless there is consultation from the players, which is good since they need to play the shard