The One and Only Pre-UOR Thread! Update -- 3 Polls of Results

[MysteryGuest]

That is not what he meant. What he is showing is his great desire for such a shard and doing so in terms of UO. He means that if he had to, he would sacrifice many highly valued and desireable UO items in exchange for such a shard. This is a sacrifice that most people reading this forum can relate to. It's like telling a group of men, that you would "give your left nut" for something, they would understand that you really desired it.

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Ive got 12 active accounts, tons of bod runners, multiple large houses, and endless mil's. I'd gladly see it all deleted for the chance at a true pre-UO:R shard.

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With an attitude like that your ruining any chance we have of getting this shard, because why would EA spend money bringing back more player accounts when other people will be cancelling 12 accounts....

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[Terrance]

Oooh, I'll come. I'll bring some Napa people with me too. Maybe some ICHIROs to cancel out the Bartons.
But seriously, yes, you have people making plans to attend.

 

[Chamfort]

Tagging on....

Ack, I'll be camping that weekend up north. Sure sounds like fun time to be had tho. Hope all goes well.


Chamfort-(DoC) Great Lakes

 

[imported_Mithryl_Elves]

I'm for it. So many people would play again im sure including me..

I'm sure theres going to be people against it too but cant see any reason why they should be. If they are against it they can simply NOT play the shard.


How many old UO players are playing on non uo free shards now because they are tired of the item based UO we see nowadays. Making a Pre OUR shard can only make UO a better game all around. With games like Everquest, WoW and Middle Earth Online being created UO has lost a huge following. If EA plans to continue to profit from UO then it could be a very good idea to create this server so UO is as well rounded as per say World of Warcraft.

 

[Chemical_Penguin]

I'm definitely gonna be there.

Unfortunately I have work at that time so I'll just make a character called "Gimme PreUOR" and leave him infront of the bank before I leave to work.

 

[Guest]

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I'm sure theres going to be people against it too but cant see any reason why they should be.


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We could always PK them =]

 

[TSD]

Has anyone mentioned that a pre-Ren shard would be great for the majority of UO players who never experienced it? It would show them the history of UO and its roots.

 

[Guest]

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Has anyone mentioned that a pre-Ren shard would be great for the majority of UO players who never experienced it? It would show them the history of UO and its roots.

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And, and it would also make them see that thier little petty Trammel problems are really insignificant to surviving on a REAL Shard.

 

[imported_Mithryl_Elves]

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I'll be honest, I have a different perspective on this. I never played pre-uor, I started shortly after pub 16 or 17, I can't remember, and I didn't start PvP until AoS. That being said I am fascinated at the stories of Pre-UOR, and Would love a chance to play on that ruleset. I have no desire to play pre-uor the only way we can right now, which I can't talk about, so my only option is to hope EA makes a shard like this.

If there was a pre-uor shard, I would play it, and I would bet that it would bring people back.

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I logged on icq today for the first time since forwarding this link to many many people. many of whom quit years ago and some recently. Heres just one of the replies i got from a very old Lake Superior player...


Date : 5/22/2005 Time : 4:42 PM
From : Bounty
dude, id come back to uo for THAT [censored], hell ya!

 

[imported_Mithryl_Elves]

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I am in favor of one or more (depending on how populated it gets) pre UO:R server. However, I feel it is more important to fix the issues on the current servers before such a server is made.

I also agree with Tukaram that the split was a very bad idea. Should they do decide to add pre UO:R servers or Felucca ruleset servers then perhaps it would be time to remove the Fel rules from the current productions shards (excluding SP and Mugen).

This is an ideal balance and everyone gets what they wants: PKs have their own servers and PvMers have their own servers. Consentual PvP can exist on both (Factions, Guild Wars, Other).

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Welp i agreed with you until the second and third paragraph. There is no reason to remove the felucca ruleset from any shard. IMO that gives pvmers WAY more than pvpers get. Theres PLENTY of room in Trammel for "Consentual PvP"

 

[azmodanb]

A pre R shard is a waste of dev time. Like some have said, it would be impossible for them to go back anyways. With how much changes have gone on in the data. Yes I am sure they have backups.. but the servers, server files etc have changed TONS since then... they would have to devote programming time to making a pre R shard... and that I dont see them doing.

Plus the dev time is better spent on fixing the current game.

Go play a free shard if you dont like what UO has become. UO now is better then it was pre R... I played now for 92 months, and I miss some of the things, but reguardless of making a pre shard or not, it's not going to ever be the same. Times have changed, people have changed....

You will still get ganked in a Pre R shard, there are still bugs, hell more then, then now. Again out with the old.

 

[azmodanb]

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Has anyone mentioned that a pre-Ren shard would be great for the majority of UO players who never experienced it? It would show them the history of UO and its roots.

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Roots? So they can go on and cry when someone with GM resist and naked jacks them with a few Vanq Q staff hits? Please.

No one that started UO latley will like Pre R shards. LOL. Give me a break... you guys are holding onto something that is just not there.... I can see it now ... "GRAND OPENING OF PRE R SHARD" ... people log in ... then within a few months, this board will be flooded with how much they want the Pre R shard to change. And how they want this and that changed... I dont see them wasting the dev time, and I hoppe they dont waste the dev time on this pre .. old shard.

 

[imported_Mithryl_Elves]

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I'm sure theres going to be people against it too but cant see any reason why they should be.


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We could always PK them =]

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That would require them to come to Felucca or Say Yah to "Consentual PvP"

Ok bad joke BUT i had to! I'll be good fer now on i promise!



I play UO to grief in all honesty. Lastnight i dreampt of what my disarm/steal mage template would be. I woke up to the baby crying tho so maybe i'll fall back into that dream tonight!


Anyways i'll be there sunday. If someone has a buddy code icq it to me please at 402886. Nothing else i'll get the free 15 day thinghy or borrow someones acct fer a few hours.

 

[Damon Blackblade]

I'm glad that you enjoy Ultima Online the way it is now. Great for you.

"A pre R shard is a waste of dev time." - azmodanb
Obviously, after 562 posts, this is not correct. Polls have also proven otherwise. My personal experiences have proven otherwise. The success of Pre:UOR Freeshards proves otherwise. You can tell all those players who enjoy "Pre:UOR" to go play on Freeshards, but you'd be a fool. Those are subscriptions and money in EA's pocket. Sending them to Freeshards is money NOT in EA's pocket.

"Like some have said, it would be impossible for them to go back anyways." - azmodanb
This is just wrong and any logical person knows it.

"With how much changes have gone on in the data. Yes I am sure they have backups.. but the servers, server files etc have changed TONS since then... they would have to devote programming time to making a pre R shard... and that I dont see them doing." - azmodanb
Having seen the code on Freeshards, being a programmer myself, and having talked with many other programmers about this...I think you are wrong here. Granted, this is my opinion, but I know that it could be done. I don't think it'd be ANYWHERES near as difficult as you make it out to be either.

"Plus the dev time is better spent on fixing the current game." - azmodanb
While I feel that there is a LOT that needs fixed in the current game (crafting in particular), I do NOT feel that this is any reason to not pursue a Pre:UOR type shard. There is a large market for this. Doing so will enable EA/UO to make other customized shards, which will benefit everyone. Also, it will more-than-likely bring in a flood of subscriptions...which is what UO needs after losing ~100,000 subscriptions since the introduction of AoS. Whether you agree with the numbers that have been supposedly lost or not, adding subscriptions is what UO needs. It provides more money...which can result in more Dev time for everyone.

"Go play a free shard if you dont like what UO has become." - azmodanb
Again, this is a foolish comment. You are ASKING subscriptions to go away. Just think about how silly that really is...

"UO now is better then it was pre R" - azmodanb
This is ENTIRELY your opinion.

"I played now for 92 months" - azmodanb
You're a subscriber like everyone else. How long you have played makes your opinion no more important than anyone elses opinion.

"there are still bugs, hell more then, then now" - azmodanb
I hope you're not implying that they would re-introduce bugs, and as such, they should not make a Pre:UOR Shard. That's a pretty illogical comment if its what you were hinting at.

 

[azmodanb]

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"Like some have said, it would be impossible for them to go back anyways." - azmodanb
This is just wrong and any logical person knows it.

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I must be a fool then, and also the EA/OSI dev team that first off posted what I said.

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"With how much changes have gone on in the data. Yes I am sure they have backups.. but the servers, server files etc have changed TONS since then... they would have to devote programming time to making a pre R shard... and that I dont see them doing." - azmodanb
Having seen the code on Freeshards, being a programmer myself, and having talked with many other programmers about this...I think you are wrong here. Granted, this is my opinion, but I know that it could be done. I don't think it'd be ANYWHERES near as difficult as you make it out to be either.

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Again since I am a fool, and well your a big EA programmer.. wait your not... so what you say about EA's code is just what you think ... as what I said is backed by posts from EA devs... give me a break. So again yes it would take dev time, and programming time to do.

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"Plus the dev time is better spent on fixing the current game." - azmodanb
While I feel that there is a LOT that needs fixed in the current game (crafting in particular), I do NOT feel that this is any reason to not pursue a Pre:UOR type shard. There is a large market for this. Doing so will enable EA/UO to make other customized shards, which will benefit everyone. Also, it will more-than-likely bring in a flood of subscriptions...which is what UO needs after losing ~100,000 subscriptions since the introduction of AoS. Whether you agree with the numbers that have been supposedly lost or not, adding subscriptions is what UO needs. It provides more money...which can result in more Dev time for everyone.

"Go play a free shard if you dont like what UO has become." - azmodanb
Again, this is a foolish comment. You are ASKING subscriptions to go away. Just think about how silly that really is...

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Again with the azmodanb is a fool comments... lets not trash talk hu? Every thing I said was my opinion .. and also backed up by dev posts... So to each his own... keep your opinions and dont bag on mine. Mmmm kay?

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"UO now is better then it was pre R" - azmodanb
This is ENTIRELY your opinion.

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And why do you have such a problem with other's opinions? Did I say it was fact anywhere? Get a grip.

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"I played now for 92 months" - azmodanb
You're a subscriber like everyone else. How long you have played makes your opinion no more important than anyone elses opinion.

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Wow... ya think? I was just saying that to show that I have played though those times, and to now.... im not trying to valadate my opinion as fact. I am sorry that I dont agree with you does that mean you have to call my opinions foolish? Interesting, other cant have opinions? Sorry Mr. Big time programmer.

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"there are still bugs, hell more then, then now" - azmodanb
I hope you're not implying that they would re-introduce bugs, and as such, they should not make a Pre:UOR Shard. That's a pretty illogical comment if its what you were hinting at.

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For a programmer you are not that on top of things... yes by "reverting the shard" and thus reverting the programming back to that point would reintroduce bugs of that time. As said by a dev on the last long post about a PRE R shard. So they would have to put dev time back into fixing those bugs, as well as going back to that point etc. And I belive a dev also said that the servers themselves have changed so much, that it would be a hard task to do and would take countless man hours.

Again please feel free to quote everything I said and start your sentances with a "azmodanb your a fool" ... Thanks.

Again so others dont take what I said as fact, this is my opinion... Dont get your panties in a bunch.

BTW you dont have to get upset cuz my opinion as you said over and over is not the same as yours. See those other 500+ posts dont all agree with you either ... go quote them and call them a fool too... Laff...

 

[Surgeries]

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"A pre R shard is a waste of dev time." - azmodanb
Obviously, after 562 posts, this is not correct.

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562 posts, with 35-40 unique posters, means little to nothing, in the bigger scheme of things.
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Polls have also proven otherwise. My personal experiences have proven otherwise.

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These are hardly compelling enough for EA to take action, to date.
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The success of Pre:UOR Freeshards proves otherwise.

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Key Word: Freeshard. That proves nothing. Free is ALWAYS more desirable. Ask yourself this question:

If you can play a Pre Ren Freeshard (for free), or pay to play the same game, as put out by EA, which do you think would garner more players? Nuff said.

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You can tell all those players who enjoy "Pre:UOR" to go play on Freeshards, but you'd be a fool. Those are subscriptions and money in EA's pocket. Sending them to Freeshards is money NOT in EA's pocket.


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Freeshards are...[cough] FREE. There is no money going in anyone's pockets from Freeshards. Please refer to the question above concerning Freeshards.

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"With how much changes have gone on in the data. Yes I am sure they have backups.. but the servers, server files etc have changed TONS since then... they would have to devote programming time to making a pre R shard... and that I dont see them doing." - azmodanb
Having seen the code on Freeshards, being a programmer myself, and having talked with many other programmers about this...I think you are wrong here. Granted, this is my opinion, but I know that it could be done. I don't think it'd be ANYWHERES near as difficult as you make it out to be either

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Having spoken face to face with Fertbert at a Meet-up, I believe it is you that may be wrong here. It WOULD be as difficult as described, if not more so. At least according to Fertbert, it would be...but one never really knows, does one?

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"Plus the dev time is better spent on fixing the current game." - azmodanb
While I feel that there is a LOT that needs fixed in the current game (crafting in particular), I do NOT feel that this is any reason to not pursue a Pre:UOR type shard. There is a large market for this. Doing so will enable EA/UO to make other customized shards, which will benefit everyone. Also, it will more-than-likely bring in a flood of subscriptions...which is what UO needs after losing ~100,000 subscriptions since the introduction of AoS.

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If there is such a huge demand for this type of Shard, why hasn't anyone who charges for it, already done it? Blind to the obvious? Feel they are already making so much money that they need no more? I highly doubt this. I am of the belief that there really ISN'T a huge demand from paying customers for this type of gameplay. But that is just my opinion, as well. We shall see, I guess...
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"there are still bugs, hell more then, then now" - azmodanb
I hope you're not implying that they would re-introduce bugs, and as such, they should not make a Pre:UOR Shard. That's a pretty illogical comment if its what you were hinting at.

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I can assure you with 100% confidence that Fertbert shares this concern. ALL the fixes since Pre UO:R...ALL of them...would need addressing.

You're a programmer. I can only imagine how tight EA's budgets are. The challenge would be devoting the resources to fixing all the bugs to make the shard playable, the cost of setting the shard and servers up, and then the continued maintenance, et al.

I cannot believe this would be cheap...at all.

But perhaps it could draw the players that left back to UO...in enough numbers to warrant such an expense.

It's just that I do not personally believe that it will.

I guess we all get to have opinions...

 

[Damon Blackblade]

I know what the Dev's have said...

To think that they would just copy and paste the old code onto a server and slap it together is just silly. They'll take the current client/server setup and tweak it...like they do for Siege.

Yes, it will take time. Will it take so much time as to suck the life from the regular shards...?
No.

Anywho, one of the trends in MMORPG's is to have specialized shards to play on. This will help UO make its entry into that market...which will open it up to a wider variety of people. This is a good thing...in my opinion.

Regardless, the biggest problem I have had with all of your posts on this topic is your complete lack of consideration for anyone other than yourself. As a "vet" I would think you would want other players to come back to UO. I would think you would want to give EVERYONE the opportunity to enjoy this game. This would be a step towards that...but I guess I'm wrong in thinking you would want that...

 

[Damon Blackblade]

Surgeries, that's an interesting signature you have there.

Trammel is the easier path to the same goal. You cannot argue that with any success...logically, at least. Push-thru, PK's, etc... You can blame the ruleset of Felucca, but I think you are logical enough to know that the game mechanics plays a huge role in things. This game is a competition. Are you going to trudge through the desert to get ahead of your fellow player or are you going to hook arms with Barney and hop'n'skip through the flowers and trees to get to your goal of one-up'ing everyone else?

If the goal is to get ahead, you are going to take the quickest and most efficient path towards that goal...Trammel.

 

[azmodanb]

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Regardless, the biggest problem I have had with all of your posts on this topic is your complete lack of consideration for anyone other than yourself.

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LOL yeah that's it ... my lack of consideration for anyone other than myself... LOL ... ummm yeah ... that's it ...

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To think that they would just copy and paste the old code onto a server and slap it together is just silly. They'll take the current client/server setup and tweak it...like they do for Siege.

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Wow.. so your saying they would have to put Dev time into this? Weird that's what I said... then going back to the dev's post's about it ... taking time they dont wanna spend on "old" rules, and game dynamics. They wanna spend there Dev time on "new" and upgrading the current game play and dynamics.

My posts, have just been a different way of looking at it... disreguard for others.. nope, just my opinion... again I am sorry I dont agree with you. See in real life people dont always agree, that does not mean there points are not valid.

 

[Damon Blackblade]

To me, and correct me if i'm wrong, it seems that you're trying to say that spending time on a Pre:UOR shard would suck the life from the current UO.

I don't agree with that at all...

Regardless, I think this issue is MUCH bigger than a Pre:UOR Shard...

Its Shard Specialization...

That will benefit everyone in the long run...

 

[Surgeries]

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Regardless, the biggest problem I have had with all of your posts on this topic is your complete lack of consideration for anyone other than yourself.

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I guess you just read what you want to read.

Let's hearken back to my very first post on this topic, shall we, anywho?

Here is is...the most important piece:

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The ONLY qualm I would have with a Pre UO:R Shard, since I would not play it, would be the loss of resources for the current game that would need to be devoted to the new shard. MAYBE the shard would bring enough subscribers back to warrant the expense. Maybe.


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So...my being concerned about the amount of resources needed for such a project, and given the lack of any such paying shard anywhere that offers the same gameplay, for money, is me being selfish.

You would certainly need to explain that one to me...anywho.
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As a "vet" I would think you would want other players to come back to UO.

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Oh...I do, indeed.

It is just completely unproven that the number of returning players could help EA see a significant, if any, ROI for the time/money invested.
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I would think you would want to give EVERYONE the opportunity to enjoy this game.

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Well..."everyone" would be inclusive of the previous griefers that left UO, and now frequent free shards. I would prefer those people stay on the free shards, personally.
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This would be a step towards that...but I guess I'm wrong in thinking you would want that...

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Well...nice try. Of course I want new players in UO.

At any cost? Absolutely not.

 

[Guest]

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That would require them to come to Felucca or Say Yah to "Consentual PvP"


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That is where the Rally is being held though, Felucca West Brit Bank on Atlantic.

 

[azmodanb]

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To me, and correct me if i'm wrong, it seems that you're trying to say that spending time on a Pre:UOR shard would suck the life from the current UO.

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I am saying that spending time on a preUOR shard would be taking the dev's off what they are working on now... and the dev's posts I have read tell me that they dont wanna put the man hours, or time into the old.. they wanna spend the time and EA money on new stuff... and enhancing the game, and bringing it forward into next year etc. I am not saying it would take anything away from the current shards....

People that are not playing UO cuz of how it is now are playing WOW, and freeshards.... they will not come back to an EA pre R shard so they can pay 12.99 a month for something they are playing for free now... OR have moved onto other games since. Again so you dont come back with trolls and flames, this is my opinion.

 

[Pawain]

I returned to UO after 5 years away. I cant believe yall would want to go back to that era.

The players are spoiled with insurance and trammell.

The game you are wishing for is already here. go to Felucca. Put on Plate armor crafted by a non GM smith. Use a NPC bought weapon. Have no jewelry but the ones that say, ring...

Get magery up. because 2 Lightning bolts will kill anyone.

Thats what we had! Now walk out of town and fear that everyone is about to PK you. You can only mine in town because PKs will get you.

When they do kill you they can loot your stuff. Including your house key!

Make sure you all say Corp Por over and over. The non-PKs used it as a warning and the PKs used it as their main attack. I had it on a macro, not the spell, just the words and a bow. So it would look like I was ready for them.

Thats a trip back in time.

Thousands of people quit that game. Why do you want to go back?

 

[Sir Joe]

*Yells* I SUPPORT! I SUPPORT!

 

[Surgeries]

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Thousands of people quit that game. Why do you want to go back?

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I am fairly certain that you are preaching to the choir here.

I do not want to go back. That's why I am posting here

I believe you may have meant to reply to one of the proponents of a Pre UO:R Shard. I am not a proponent of a Pre UO:R Shard...at all.

 

[Damon Blackblade]

Looks like thousands are also quitting this game. What's your point?

 

[azmodanb]

He is indeed not a proponent. Heh... and for those who dont know what that means...

"One who argues in support of something; an advocate."

 

[azmodanb]

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Looks like thousands are also quitting this game. What's your point?

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The ones that quit cuz of not having a PRE UOR shard have already quit. That's my point.

The ones that have delt with it cuz they like UO .. have stayed... others again are on WoW, or other games, or just a plain old PRE R, freeshard.

EDIT: just in case ... this is my opinion

 

[Pawain]

Since we are defining words. Yall means you all.

In this case it was to the supporters of this insane idea. Not just the poster I happened to reply to.

 

[azmodanb]

Yeah I also am not a proponent. heh ..

So Yall can take my OPINION or not. hehehe

 

[Surgeries]

LOL!!!

Good One!!

 

[Damon Blackblade]

So, to the three of you posting just now...and anyone else I guess...

Your problem with a Pre:UOR shard is that you are worried that it will take resources away from the game you currently enjoy playing?

Are there any other reasons as to why you do not support other people's desires for a Pre:UOR Shard?

 

[Surgeries]

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So, to the three of you posting just now...and anyone else I guess...

Your problem with a Pre:UOR shard is that you are worried that it will take resources away from the game you currently enjoy playing?

Are there any other reasons as to why you do not support other people's desires for a Pre:UOR Shard?

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Nope...I feel that for what and who any Pre Ren Shard would draw, the return would not be enough to warrant the cost of implementing, and the associated costs for maintenance of same.

But, that is ONLY my opinion. I could be absolutely dead wrong.

I will wait to see, but that is my opinion, right or wrong.

 

[imported_Irish Rage]

Just wanted to show my support for this idea. Even if it was pub 15 I would be happy. Just a place where skills and crafting remain supreme.

 

[Damon Blackblade]

So its a resource/cost/return type concern?

Now, I ask you this.

Do you think that specialized shards, other than a Pre:UOR Shard, would be a good area for UO to step into in order to acquire more subscription numbers and a wider variety of players? ie. Possibly more money in the long-run.

 

[azmodanb]

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So, to the three of you posting just now...and anyone else I guess...

Your problem with a Pre:UOR shard is that you are worried that it will take resources away from the game you currently enjoy playing?

Are there any other reasons as to why you do not support other people's desires for a Pre:UOR Shard?

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I am not worried about it ... I know that it would be expencive, and require dev time.. thus making me pay more in the long run if they wanna increase there monthy fee to cover extra programmers, etc. (everquest is now 14.99 right?)

I would prefer is all, they spend there time, and money on the current game and making it better, so UO has a place in the future.

Plus I dont see them making any more money off of it ... the cost of putting it in place, getting new hardware, servers to host the shard on etc... Then charging people 12.99 a month for something they can get for free.

Plus the 4+ posts or more I have read that Dev's dont see this happening ever. And why.

 

[imported_Irish Rage]

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So, to the three of you posting just now...and anyone else I guess...

Your problem with a Pre:UOR shard is that you are worried that it will take resources away from the game you currently enjoy playing?

Are there any other reasons as to why you do not support other people's desires for a Pre:UOR Shard?

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Nope...I feel that for what and who any Pre Ren Shard would draw, the return would not be enough to warrant the cost of implementing, and the associated costs for maintenance of same.

But, that is ONLY my opinion. I could be absolutely dead wrong.

I will wait to see, but that is my opinion, right or wrong.

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This is why I think a consolidation of some of the existing shards is due in time. There is no reason to have 3-4 shards in each area of the US anymore. There simply are not enough players to make them viable. Maybe I'm wrong but that's how I see things. Offer free shard transfers and maybe some free game time to compensate folks for housing, but just make the change for the better of UO. Anyway just my two cents.

 

[azmodanb]

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Do you think that specialized shards, other than a Pre:UOR Shard, would be a good area for UO to step into in order to acquire more subscription numbers and a wider variety of players? ie. Possibly more money in the long-run.

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I belive, that people if they dont like the game as is ... should go play something else... pumping tons of extra money and dev time into "different shards" with "different rule sets" would be crazy, you should have to have a East and West coast version of each "different ruleset shard" so people could play it...

So lets say you make pre R Shards.... that's two more servers they gotta run. East and West coast... and I am leaving out Europe, and other places.

Or you can log into a free shard. Not pay 12.99, and get Pre R. (these shards have been around for ever, and that's where all the people have gone already, the ones that play now are not going anywhere or they would have already. They deal with it. People that are upset about the current UO, and dont wanna play it already found there "new home" else where.

 

[azmodanb]

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This is why I think a consolidation of some of the existing shards is due in time. There is no reason to have 3-4 shards in each area of the US anymore. There simply are not enough players to make them viable.

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I do agree with this

 

[imported_Salty Pete]

bRiNg bAcK pReCaStInG B$%#&amp;^% err... that is... I think at this point I'd really rather just see some new developement in the direction of establishing the virtual world/player economy again. Rather than just asking for the old game back, I'd like to see the current game start incorperating more of the social elements that were important back in the early days.

- More content creation tools for the players.
- Unique rewards for the players that are putting together and participating in events rather than solely for those camping creature type A for random spawn items.
- Revamps for the role play professions. Nothing fancy, just slightly improved game play and advancement oppritunities beyond grandmaster.

 

[Guest]

I doubt we will see any shards closing for at least another year or so. I haven't seen one yet that isn't jam packed with housing all over, which is the real indicator of whether a shard is dying. Even in Felucca you are lucky to find a location as large as a villa. Just because a shard isn't jam packed with players doesn't mean it has to close.

 

[azmodanb]

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I doubt we will see any shards closing for at least another year or so. I haven't seen one yet that isn't jam packed with housing all over, which is the real indicator of whether a shard is dying. Even in Felucca you are lucky to find a location as large as a villa. Just because a shard isn't jam packed with players doesn't mean it has to close.

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I doubt it too ... but another thing to note on houses, most people own more then one. I have 4.

 

[Guest]

I doubt all 4 of those houses are on a single grandfathered account (and if they are they are most likely small ones), so to OSI you represent 4 players in terms of active subscriptions.

 

[azmodanb]

They are not.. on a single account. I pay extra for other accounts, to hold houses. (and i let my neighbor play for free on one of them) G/F uses one... and I use two. (one just sits there to hold an extra 18X18)

I am just saying if it came down to it .. I would demolish all but one house to make it possible to "merge" some shards.

 

[Damon Blackblade]

One of the reasons I don't give the "subscription numbers" much weight anymore. In the past, they closely paralleled the actual number of players, today they aren't even close. At best, i'd say the number of actual players is half the number of subscriptions...

All those players had to go somewhere...lets work on trying to get them to return...

 

[Guest]

But how would it be decided who would get to keep their houses and who would have to lose them? That is an impossible situation. If OSI ever had to close and merge shards it would be disasterous.

In any event this topic isn't about closing shards, it is about getting a Pre-UOR one created. Enough on this.

 

[Damon Blackblade]

I think it only logical that they give a Pre:UOR Shard a chance. Lets face it, they've been steadily losing subscriptions since shortly after the release of AoS. They need to try something different. Continuing to do what they've been doing is obviously not working. I think this would help things.

There's 2 things that I think would bring in more new subscriptions...

Pre:UOR Shard
Client/Graphics Overhaul

I believe a Pre:UOR Shard would be the easier of the two.

 

[kronides]

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Just wanted to show my support for this idea. Even if it was pub 15 I would be happy. Just a place where skills and crafting remain supreme.

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And I as well; I would like to play ANY era that does not involve Publish 16 and later.

 

[Deathjesters]

(not replying to kronides, but in general)


why is it that the 3 "top" ranking games.. is pvp based.. L1 L2 &amp; WoW

and PvM(E) games EQ Eq2 UO.. aint even close..

ppl want to murder others and thats why CS is so big .. then there is some no irl boneheads.. that feel the need for a eye candy chat room , where they can get "friends"

its so sad