How the hell do you lure a scripter through a gate???
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How the hell do you lure a scripter through a gate???
Maybe you gotta speak in binary or disguise the gate as a bull?
I have never, not once, 'assumed' someone is scripting. I wait til I know someone is scripting. Their nose glued to the bum of the bull I just tamed is usually a good first clue. Along with them repeatedly saying "null release" and trying to flamestrike the bull I just tamed. Tell me how you could NOT know that's a bot, not a player? If I'm not sure, I do nothing but make a mental note of their name and do my thing, be it taming, shearing sheep, gathering leather or a combo of all three. I'd say most of the rest of the folks in favour of doing something rather than nothing are about the same as me.
LMAO!Maybe you gotta speak in binary or make the script see the gate as a bull?
I know plenty of mages who talk a lot of bull, but I've never seen one actually cast one
I wonder if the resulting bulls come out blue though. Purple llamas from EVs, blue bulls from gates....
Wenchy
You've just planted a seriously disturbing image in my head now. Eeeew!
Best be careful round here though, with this crowd you'll get accused of painting the rear end of bulls with superglue. I think the bot owner will have a lot of explaining to do when his wife finds him...
Wenchy
And what you repeatedly ignore is that opening a gate is not griefing. According to your special made-up ruleset for the game, while in Trammel, someone must check around to be sure someone is not using a bot script, a speedhack, or some other exploit they might be using unattended which might accidentally or by design cause them to automatically enter a player's gate. Otherwise, the player casting the gate is a griefer.
Seriously, do you honestly believe this crap or this is just a really, really, really persistent attempt to feign that you actually have an argument that makes sense?
So now, to avoid being a "griefer", all Tramellites must make absolutely sure no unattended macroers are anywhere nearby (even hidden or stealthed I guess) before they cast gate. Because if someone's bot program carries them into the gate and auto-clicks yes, it's the gatecasters fault.
LMAO!
I know plenty of mages who talk a lot of bull, but I've never seen one actually cast one
I wonder if the resulting bulls come out blue though. Purple llamas from EVs, blue bulls from gates....
Wenchy
You've just planted a seriously disturbing image in my head now. Eeeew!
Best be careful round here though, with this crowd you'll get accused of painting the rear end of bulls with superglue. I think the bot owner will have a lot of explaining to do when his wife finds him...
Wenchy
Read the post, please, before you make a half-baked dismissal of whatever point it contained. I mentioned the game before there was Trammel/Felucca. No one had a "choice to be in Fel" back then... if you went afk, even for a moment, you risked everything being picked clean off of you. (Even if you were in town, unflagged.) In addition (for all I know this is still the case) people could do something to you... say loot your corpse, steal from you, or even attack you (which flagged them), then run from you until their flag ran out and stop running and let you hit them, then kill you and loot you with no one able to do anything about it (without murderer count risk.)
People would also steal something off you with thier bank box open and pop the item in before you called guards on them.... sot hey'd be dead, naked, with your item safely in the bank.
And those were all "acceptable", legal behaviors... not in "fel", in the whole game, anywhere. No one had a choice. But they were still categorized as "griefer" behaviors, and were the reason behind the creation of Trammel and Fel (along with PK activity.)
So yes, with the grand scope of "injustice" in the history of UO and what kinds of antisocial behaviors were allowed or were common at various points, "wah wah wah wah wah wah" about unattended botter scripts dying because they walk into unknown gates and click the confirm button. They shouldn't have been scripting in the first place and saying that someone who was doing something totally normal and legal is the griefer because it negatively impacted someone who was doing something TOTALLY ILLEGAL is completely backwards.
Very well, then we assume the person was NOT unattended, and entered the gate of their own free will.
So you can take a seat and stop arguing the defense of the scripter.
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Quinn1969
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DUDE!!!!!!!!!!!! WTF? They need to change your dosing. You went from attacking someone to starving children, to psychology antics, back to personal attacks, to comparing script taming to world hunger or murder and backto personal attacks and then on to blaming meds. Listen...I work in a hospital do you need to be seen little fella? Did mommy not hug you enough when you were little?
Geeze.....when you don't follow the "rules" then there are consequences. There IS no argument!
No it's not. It's like I argued earlier in the thread (and you ignored it), it's like laying a system meant to catch/deter/protect against certain kinds of crime... let's say moneylaundering or home robbery. You are basically arguing that the police or the legal system or the security system or the homeowner who installed it are the criminals because the poor robber/moneylaunderer/whatever got entrapped and caught and punished while carrying out their crime of choice.
I'm so grateful I read ahead before repeating far less succinctly the bulk of your post, AesSedai.
`Well, hey, I'm a 9yr vet so clearly I "deserve" to have all my skills maxxed for me sans any effort on my part?!
BWAHAHA! Feh. For some it is the destination, for others the journey. *shrugs*
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Rix/\
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I'm not defending the scripter, I'm just pointing out what he is doing about it is also wrong which is why I said in my original post in this thread 2 wrongs don't make it right. By him not paging/reporting it the account goes unmarked and no investigation of their wrong doing will be done. Harassing them and then coming here to toot his lil horn doesn't stop them from doing it again.Very well, then we assume the person was NOT unattended, and entered the gate of their own free will.
So you can take a seat and stop arguing the defense of the scripter.
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Sunrise
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This thread would be very distressing if it weren't so damned amusing!
I'll just add this:
Not only is gating a bot to a danger spot not illegal, they REALLY need to change the murder reporting system to time out after 10 or 15 minutes.
If you haven't used the report gump in that timeframe, you were OBVIOUSLY unattended and thus should be UNABLE to report the "crime".
You can't grief someone who isn't there and scriptors grief others trying to use the same locations legitimately on a daily basis.
The more creative and effective ways to shut down scripts, the better IMO.
NO MERCY!
This thread would be very distressing if it weren't so damned amusing!
I'll just add this:
Not only is gating a bot to a danger spot not illegal, they REALLY need to change the murder reporting system to time out after 10 or 15 minutes.
If you haven't used the report gump in that timeframe, you were OBVIOUSLY unattended and thus should be UNABLE to report the "crime".
You can't grief someone who isn't there and scriptors grief others trying to use the same locations legitimately on a daily basis.
The more creative and effective ways to shut down scripts, the better IMO.
NO MERCY!
1. If the person is not unattended, they entered the gate willingly.
2. If the person is unattended and running a script that auto-enters any gates and clicks "yes" when the gump comes up, that's a flaw with the script (which the player should not have been using anyway.)
I fail to see how someone casting a gate spell within 1-2 screens of a botter constitutes an equal wrong for you to argue "two wrongs don't make a right."
Quote for the win
I think this thread is basically finished and the dead horse has already decayed
Stratics has become a joke allowing a thread about griefing to continue. Yes it sucks that people are out there scripting skills, resources, etc. But the fact remains that the OP is breaking a rule to try and police others.
Page a GM and let them do their job.
If the GMs don't do their job, then it's on EA/Mythic. The supposed scripter isn't paying their 12.99 a month to interfere with your gameplay as you are theirs.
Page a GM and let them do their job.
If the GMs don't do their job, then it's on EA/Mythic. The supposed scripter isn't paying their 12.99 a month to interfere with your gameplay as you are theirs.
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The scriptor is griefing, removing the scriptor is not.
Once upon a time, there was a concept known as "player justice". While that concept was rather flawed, some forms did actually exist.
The OP is one of those times. Player justice /= griefing.
If you unattended, you are not there to be griefed.
I used to get myself killed occasionally fishing up sea serpents before I had dual monitors... yeah it pissed me off at the time, but looking back, it was my own fault for swapping windows during an active cast and knowing that the sound cues were not available. Same thing applies here... these people are UNATTENDED, thus unwilling to protect their character from harm... sucks to be them.
The only shame (and this from a Trammel player who has ALWAYS been against Trammel looting) is that you can't loot the scriptors of anything valuable afterwards.
I find it more sad that people are DEFENDING the scriptors. Defense of exploting is the JOKE here.
The scriptor is griefing, removing the scriptor is not.
Once upon a time, there was a concept known as "player justice". While that concept was rather flawed, some forms did actually exist.
The OP is one of those times. Player justice /= griefing.
If you unattended, you are not there to be griefed.
I used to get myself killed occasionally fishing up sea serpents before I had dual monitors... yeah it pissed me off at the time, but looking back, it was my own fault for swapping windows during an active cast and knowing that the sound cues were not available. Same thing applies here... these people are UNATTENDED, thus unwilling to protect their character from harm... sucks to be them.
The only shame (and this from a Trammel player who has ALWAYS been against Trammel looting) is that you can't loot the scriptors of anything valuable afterwards.
I find it more sad that people are DEFENDING the scriptors. Defense of exploting is the JOKE here.
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Sweeney
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I'll rehash the posts from previous players in case you morons didn't bother to scroll through.
1. Creating a gate is not harassment or deathgating or whatever you may call it. If a person walks through an unannounced gate, it is their own fault. They were not invited into the gate in the first place.
2. The GMs do nothing. I've paged on several illegaly placed houses (Being unable to run around them due to a gravestone has killed me more than once)
3. If you are offended by a person gating wherever he chooses, announced or not, you must be one of those who script. Anyone who scripts attended knows that a gate is a bad thing for a scripter. Adjust your script or stop whining.
1. Creating a gate is not harassment or deathgating or whatever you may call it. If a person walks through an unannounced gate, it is their own fault. They were not invited into the gate in the first place.
2. The GMs do nothing. I've paged on several illegaly placed houses (Being unable to run around them due to a gravestone has killed me more than once)
3. If you are offended by a person gating wherever he chooses, announced or not, you must be one of those who script. Anyone who scripts attended knows that a gate is a bad thing for a scripter. Adjust your script or stop whining.
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Sunrise
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Since this thread has been refreshed...
Ill Refresh the horse...
Sweeney I agree with you.
Heck again the old days...but Im not going to go there.
I have a char whos main goal is to find gates and go thru them. Hey what better way to explore the lands.
And man if the gate is red I start drooling. I stealth thur it and hope they are gating to there house in Fel....Drool...Most of the stuff I find I borrow, other times I hold on to it for the owner for im sure he might misplace it at a tavern and some thief will steal it.
Ill Refresh the horse...
Sweeney I agree with you.
Heck again the old days...but Im not going to go there.
I have a char whos main goal is to find gates and go thru them. Hey what better way to explore the lands.
And man if the gate is red I start drooling. I stealth thur it and hope they are gating to there house in Fel....Drool...Most of the stuff I find I borrow, other times I hold on to it for the owner for im sure he might misplace it at a tavern and some thief will steal it.
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Rix/\
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Everyones taking this persons word that he actually found someone unattended script taming. Without any proof, screen shot, journal logs just him saying he believes 100% that this person is unattended. So if this actually was a person exploting a script unattended they'll be aware that someone is on to them and will try using more safe unattended scripts. Rather then allowing a GM a chance to investigate the player, the script or any other exploit they may be using. If you truly want to fight the exploits and cheaters then use the system they give you to report the issues correctly so they can be looked into by the proper authority.
Perhaps the gater is working magery. Gate is a good spell to cast for gains.
Perhaps the caster does not have the recall spell in their spellbook. Recalls can be hard to find.
Perhaps the caster prefers to travel by gate so that in the event that they have selected the wrong rune, they have a chance of getting back to where they were.
Most obviously, a caster from the Jhelom pits might use gate because.......their fresh tame has not bonded yet.
Your argument has wholes in it so big, you could fly a mountain through it.
This bot walking into my gate is the same as someone running across the street to dive in front of my car. The bot was nowhere near me when I cast the gate. Opening a gate several minutes in advance? I'd like to see that.
On a different note, I think I am going to use this as my new sig.
"What is being discussed is faulty ghetto bot script behavior that jumps on any nearby gate like Oprah on a baked ham".
I laughed very hard. Thank you for that.
Fact. It is impossible for the TOS to apply to a bot as the bot is not a responsible party.
Also, there is someone who keeps responding to this thread by saying that they could very well be attended scripting, which is okay. I can't remember who this is, but you should know that the actions being performed by the bot in question are beyond the capabilities of UOA or any other approved application, which therefore makes what they are doing, illegal.
Absolutely false. I have found numerous unattended scripters, and to make matters more fun, in fel. A heartwood scripter which I manage to kill in the GZ before he goes into the heartwood gate (obvious he is unattended since I kill him with wrestling and he doesn't call guards). I do it three days straight hoping he will drop something cool and yet he still continues to script there.
A tamer in Jhelom farms who I also kill hoping to get his armor eventually. Yet he continues to script there.
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The problem with scripts is NOT The automation in itself, but the ability for the automation to occur WITHOUT a human being present.
The problem has never been with simple automation (even BOTH clients have methods to do this BTW), but a problem with ATTENDANCE.
Look at it this way...
If you are ATTENDED, you can take active steps to prevent negative/bad things (such as hopping a dangerous gate) from occurring.
If you are UNATTENDED, you CANNOT take active steps to prevent Bad Things™ from happening, which ends up leading to unnecessary pages to GMs because Something Bad Happened™ and you weren't there to stop it to which the reply is and always should be "Well, why weren't you there to prevent it?".
It's as simple as that... don't want Bad Things™ to happen to your character, don't leave it unattended.
The problem with scripts is NOT The automation in itself, but the ability for the automation to occur WITHOUT a human being present.
The problem has never been with simple automation (even BOTH clients have methods to do this BTW), but a problem with ATTENDANCE.
Look at it this way...
If you are ATTENDED, you can take active steps to prevent negative/bad things (such as hopping a dangerous gate) from occurring.
If you are UNATTENDED, you CANNOT take active steps to prevent Bad Things™ from happening, which ends up leading to unnecessary pages to GMs because Something Bad Happened™ and you weren't there to stop it to which the reply is and always should be "Well, why weren't you there to prevent it?".
It's as simple as that... don't want Bad Things™ to happen to your character, don't leave it unattended.
As many times as it takes for you to believe it.
I think you are secretly ignorant. Would you care to join my in Jhelom sometimes this week? I can gate you!
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He kept icqing me saying he thinks a GM keeps killing him and warping him to different dungens.
ROFL!
Now THAT is some funny stuff right there.
Reminds me of a blog written by someone pertaining to be a FFXI GM and the stuff he claimed to do to people.
He kept icqing me saying he thinks a GM keeps killing him and warping him to different dungens.
ROFL!
Now THAT is some funny stuff right there.
Reminds me of a blog written by someone pertaining to be a FFXI GM and the stuff he claimed to do to people.
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Lings Bro
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to many pages to read - anybody try casting a fel gate?
Thank you for confirming that the person in question is in fact an unattended scripter.
Please tell your stupid cheating friend that if he was actually at his keyboard he would know what is happening with his character.
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AesSedai
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- Finally, caught up again.
I could say plenty, as plenty more funny has been added (Oprah & ham, hehe). But I'll just say:
ColterDC, post #282: Ya' made me smile
I could say plenty, as plenty more funny has been added (Oprah & ham, hehe). But I'll just say:
ColterDC, post #282: Ya' made me smile
Hate? No. Pity? Yes.
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Dont hate cause I can build a better account in 2 weeks than you all can build in 2 years
Hate? Nope.
Care? Nope.
But then building a better account isn't the issue here is it?
Dont hate cause I can build a better account in 2 weeks than you all can build in 2 years
Hate? Nope.
Care? Nope.
But then building a better account isn't the issue here is it?
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AesSedai
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- Can one truly claim that they are building something, or even improving their character, if they are using illegal applications that do the work for them?
Rather than building something, all I can see an action such as that promote to is the further destruction of the object they are abusing (that would be UO, in this instance). Unwittingly destroying an object for everyone, and just for the potential benefit of one.
Some might hate that, yes; but I also think pity is a better word for such actions.
Rather than building something, all I can see an action such as that promote to is the further destruction of the object they are abusing (that would be UO, in this instance). Unwittingly destroying an object for everyone, and just for the potential benefit of one.
Some might hate that, yes; but I also think pity is a better word for such actions.
That's awesome. Thanks for making all this train wreck of a thread worth reading. Knowing your friend is so stupid makes the gate jumping all the more funny.
And as I said before if the person was NOT unattended script taming, they went through an unknown gate completely voluntarily.
What about this is hard to get?You are quite welcome, thanks for the compliment and for the stimulating topic thread.
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Rix/\
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Have you reported any of those you were unable to prove that were unattended?
if not then your no better then the ones supporting the scripters. By just killing them or w/e does nothing they come back and continue to script. I understand that the GM's or anyone else in EA/MYTHIC aren't very reliable but if you don't report these things through the proper channels we'll never know if the system actually works.
This attitude is the core problem with players like you when it comes to exploits, cheats and hacks.
You think that where your character is in an online game, development wise, and how quickly you got there, says something about you as a person and your intelligence or talent and skill. It doesn't.
It always says one of two things. Either you have no life and you played the game 18 hours a day nonstop (such as the people who reach level 70 on a brand new WOW server in like a week) or being ahead of others was so important to you that you are willing to break rules and thumb your nose at the game community around you in order to achieve it.
All of this does indeed say something about you as a person, the player behind the character. Just not what you apparently t hink it does. It doesn't say you're more skilled, talented or intelligent. It says that you have so little of merit to feel proud of in your real life that you have a need to have something over others in a for-entertainment virtual environment.
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Anon McDougle
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this will sound crazy but if anyone is upset you know what shard and where they are gatted to go save them! gate them back! kill the WW! fighting about it here doens nothing
Whoa slow down there. Jumping the gun without even an answer, lmao. Perhaps you should wait for an answer before assuming, but that isn't your nature is it?
But yes I did. After X amount of hours and a canned response I gave up.
I think this one has gone as far as it can, and probably beyond.
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