If they want to play with others, why are they soloing the champs at 3am?
Really, I mean if you can get 10 people all trained up on how to run a spawn right you can do the easy spawns very quickly, and you can do the harder ones (coincidentally the ones that get raided far, far, less often) without it being such a big pain. Work up people's Justice and you can get a lot of scrolls per hour.
Never said anything about either entitlement or imbalance, thanks very much. I was just pointing out that certain comments and many of the actions and testaments allude to the laziness. Many of the PKs on DF only come at the end because they don’t want to put in the minimal amount of effort. I use a sampire, a weaver, and a thrower. Weaver can clear first two levels easy, sampire finishes it off in about 5 mins. Then I have both sampire and thrower spam armor ignore on the champ while the weaver protects for scrolls. Usually walk away with a decent load, and a replica about 50% of the time.
Diablo and UO came out basically at the same time. Both top down views. Both had quests and monsters to kill. Both had skills or skill sets that advanced. Both had weapons and armor to make you fight better. Both had player inventory and a bank stash. Both had your stuff fall off you when you died. Both had those items obtainable by other players or yourself. Both had non consensual PvP. Both had overhead chat.
i was talking about looting rights / loot distribution in response to antoher poster. being able to kill a monster has nothing to do with that system. you can get the same (or often better) chance at looting rights with a pet doing 0 damage, but it taking damage, and you healing that damage.
We have pet fights on LS. The ones with scrolls win if other things are the same. Also go fight a Paragon Balron, there is a significant time difference. Tamers have kept quiet on this issue because we are fine with others believing this because it leaves scrolls for us!
Do you use tactics and anatomy scrolls on your player? Since they are not a big difference...
120 vs 100 resist is a huge difference in spell times and poison times.
My 120ed pet got a drop at the only EM event I participated in since the pet revamp. His carbon copy is owned by a friend and she got a drop at the next event.
EM events can pretty much be totally left out of any discussion of 120 scrolls. ive gotten EM drops using anniversarry horses i literally bought of vendor search right before the event, on a brand new character (no taming at all, and no trained skills) can you get a drop as well if youve scrolled to 120? of course you can. just like im now saying for the third time, has little to do with the looting rights system.
First off Trammel SAVED UO not killed it this is not up for debate as this has been PROVEN .... not to mention that even Garriott admits it...
You are wrong.
This shows complete ignorance of Felucca and how the game should work.
I agree it is plain greed, and it's all those players in Trammel exhibiting it.
For someone with time to play UO like 5+ hours a day, I can agree that it is not a big deal. When I was more active, I as well just shrugged it off when I got raided once in a month and moved on.Plus I never understood why people are afraid to get pked anyway when they have insurance. At worst you lose a miniscule amount of gold, maybe some bandages/potions, and a little bit of time. The raids just make the successful spawns even sweeter. [bcolor=rgb(16, 16, 16)]
I completely agree.
It's proven fact that the subs for UO spiked WAY after Trammel... they were in great decline before tram... the reason you don't see this on the chart was because new subs filled in the old ones but they too were quickly leaving as people found that you couldn't really get anywhere in the game as a new player without getting completely pummeled and looted dry making people HATE UO passionately....
more lies... again that Justice is a LIE... I can tell you that only the most powerful get by and the ones who don't cheat to get ahead lose... so that's false Justice... Those miscreates who now use and abuse in Tram did it in Fel long before... how do you think all these cheat programs came about????? Do you think they were made by decent players who wanted Justice???
It is not a lie, why would I need to lie about this?
But still if you want their money, you can't just tell them "get a grip!". Smart companies know this and don't play elitism ********.
A game that has more forum posters than UO has accounts. Very similar beginnings but different outcomes.
You can farm for a scroll in the same way you farm Doom or Shadowguard, and get it for free.
NP, I wasn't referring to you.
That's cool, do something else in game, and pay for power scrolls over time. If you have more time some day, try to do a spawn yourself. I still don't get why it matters, especially since you won't die every time, or even most time if you know what you are doing. It's not like you can't still have fun, and relax and die at a spawn the same time. I only play short periods of time myself, and I don't view it as any different than dying to a monster, and when I get pked I actually lose a lot since we have no insurance. Still, it really doesn't bother me that much.
First of all, UO got rid of non consensual pvp a loooooong time ago, as well as losing stuff when you die. Second of all, every incarnation of Diablo has had pvp, in fact that was one of the major draws of D2, arguable the best most popular game in the franchise. People were super annoyed when D3 shipped without pvp, and complained until they put it in.
Yeah D3 is fun and all, but it's very very repetitive, and nothing you do has any meaning. I played it a fair bit with friends, but it's really more of a glorified gatcha game once you get to a certain point.
Last time I got raided nobody asked me upfront and the 6 power scrolls also didn't stay on my corpse ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Once again, you are bundling "new player" with "trammel player" a new player does not have to BUY a scroll, they can join a guild and get them very easily, and even sell the excess scrolls to TRAMMEL PLAYERS at a good price.
When you went to fel, you consented to pvp, and that's the only item that you can't insure.
Yea, the only item you can't insure is unfortunately the only item you are looking for. Saying UO got rid of loosing your stuff is quite a stretch especially for this particular case. You work the spawn and boss an hour and loose all the rewards when raided. Huge prime time entertainment!
I mean, it's not like it's going to happen every time, or even probably half of the time unless you are just hitting despise. Similarly you'll do a tram boss (potentially dozens of times) and not get anything worthwhile. At with a champ spawn if you manage to pull it off you are 100% rewarded at least. Honestly, no matter what you do there is going to be a decent chance you'll feel like you are "wasting your time" if you look at things that way.
Yea that's true. I barely got raided at all and I was thinking along the same lines of "You do a tram boss and get nothing" earlier as well.
Yall say it is so easy to make a pvp toon. Its even easier to make a PvM blue toon. What is stopping you?
Nothing I'd imagine. That's most likely how most people get their scrolls.
I honestly find that much more maddening than getting pked (which I admit annoys the crap out of me). The grind in this game can really get severe sometimes.
The blame belongs with the people who actually had the power and the means to change UO to what it is today, i.e., UO's producers and developers. You gain nothing by trying to pit the paying customers against each other.
PvPers have full unrestricted access to Trammel, while PvMers are prevented from accessing Fel content by PvPers. So it's kind of a case of PvPers already having everything and wanting more. Having said that, I really would not care whether all Trammel content is available in Fel. Fel will be just as dead as it is now. EM events would be the only thing having any effect on the game as a whole.
I think that's accurate. People will always follow the path of least resistance. You have to design ways to keep people engaged instead of just being repetitious rng monkeys looking for their next pellet of useful loot. I always hated tram from a design perspective. It felt like dropping a bomb on a rat.
No they aren't. :/
I get this, and in a sense, I'm sorry.
Two of you mentioned Felucca based PvPers can send their PvM characters to Trammel.
I have blue PvM toons, just no content in Felucca to play them on...
For some people, playing the "easy way" may be all they can physically or mentally handle. There is no way for any of us to know what kind of challenges anyone else is facing that we know nothing about that might affect how, when, or why they choose to play UO.
They pay their money too.
Just because you need to battle other players to get high end items that benefit your character/pet does not mean pvp is being catered to. All UO Is saying this items are a bit more challening to obtain than anything else. And UO lets the community police these items. So they are not script farmed like all the other items in this game.
It seems we are in agreement. Fel can have all the Tram content as long as Tram can have all the Fel content.
I must have been hallucinating last 30 times I got raided.
If Felucca would be the magical "solving all" playing rules, then HOW COME that Siege has so few players ??