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Connor_Graham
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Bring back old school thieves?
- Thread starter kennykilleduo
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It's a risk. A risk of wasting my time which is far more valuable than any pixels that might be stolen...la
Hum, Good question
Hum, well what could be equal to the item you do succed at stealing?
Wenchy asked a good question and I am not ignoring her, I am considering my reply.
This is in the same vein. While I accept your assurance that you being looted and NOT getting that Black Pearl is quite a good deal of punishment
I am not sure I am convinced of that. I think you need to be removed from the Social Structure and Consider your ... chosen method of interacting with your fellow Citizens.
I would say Oh , One week in the slamer for every 10 Gold value of the highest priced item on the Player, regardless of you actually being able to steal it.
Makes me think, maybe it is the total worth of the Player, in terms of Gold, Jewels and items that they have on them at the time.
In that case I could mount an effective defense/deterrent by loading up on Gold and sending you to Jail for the rest of your natural life.
Hum, maybe 1 week per 10 gold is a bit over the line, maybe 1 week per 100 gold would be better.
Pst - That is one Real Life Calendar Week, not one UO In Game Week.
He was playing correctly. Leg humpers will never get a foothold in UO ever again.
You sure are making a lot of assumptions. First off, I rarely get caught. Next, I almost never steal regs (unless of course it's someone I don't like and they are fighting someon else...and then I take their garlic...not their bp)...la
...la
You're right, I guess a form of the old school thief does still exist on Seige.
Wonder why that shard is so dead.
Because of the RoT system as it exists today...laYou're right, I guess a form of the old school thief does still exist on Seige.
Wonder why that shard is so dead.
Is that suppose to be an insult?
If it is, it's really pathetic........much like playing a thief.
You've never played a thief, otherwise you wouldn't be making claims that it doesn't take skill to play one. Stop making things up...your pants are on fire...la
Keep telling yourself that.Because of the RoT system as it exists today...laYou're right, I guess a form of the old school thief does still exist on Seige.
Wonder why that shard is so dead.
I for one would love for EA to change the RoT system. Then when Siege is still a barren wasteland what will your excuse be?
It won't be so your point is moot...la
So not only have you not ever played a thief... you also give opinions about topics you know nothing about and when that doesn't work, you start insulting?
*Shrug*
Sorry it was just be light, kidding a joke. It was based on an event from a long time ago before I left UO.
A Player stole a Black Pearl from me and thought he would get my goat by taunting me.
I got it back from him when I didnt provide needed help when a Blood(? ) Elemental was on him. Actually I got quite a bit more than that Black Pearl from him.
But what really got his blood flowing was when I cast Ressurection and then canceled it and said "Oh, wait your the guy that wanted to taunt me over a Black pearl" or some such nonsense.
Peace
it was just joking around Mostly what I would Like to see is a time when the UO population accepts the concept of being Socially Responsible to the UO Population. When that happens, I am 100% confident all these protections will be looked as annoyances and be removed.
Or said more clearly, they are there NOT to protect me from the Well Played Evil, they are there to protect me from the Hack, Cheating, Exploiting, Trash Talking, First person Shooter Evil that plagues every single MMORPG in existence. Prompting many game owners to seek a means to create a Virtual Jail for them. A system to allow the Game owners to share the information and boot the people out.
I've never been beaten to death by a 5 year old girl either. Doesn't mean I can't realize how pathetic it would be.
Thieves were crap and no one except the thieves wanted them around, thus the reason they're gone.
Deal with it
ROFL, so you admit to being a liar. Nice...laI've never been beaten to death by a 5 year old girl either. Doesn't mean I can't realize how pathetic it would be.
Thieves were crap and no one except the thieves wanted them around, thus the reason they're gone.
Deal with it
Heard the same thing about getting the PBD problem fixed.
That didn't help either.
Our conversation:I've never been beaten to death by a 5 year old girl either. Doesn't mean I can't realize how pathetic it would be.
Thieves were crap and no one except the thieves wanted them around, thus the reason they're gone.
Deal with it
Chad: I got hit by a bus. It hurts.
Colter: I closed my eyes and thought about what it would be like to get hit by a bus. It doesn't hurt as much as you say it does.
Chad: ...
Colter: Deal with it
Chad: ...
Please stop insulting siege, less populated yes barren wasteland no.
I just looked at my guild roster, I counted
62 Last on 2008-07-17
In the last week 84 and 100 in the last month.
As you well know Siege is a one char per account shard so each of the #'s is a paying player.
Claiming to have played a thief. You didn't. Maybe you skilled up a character with thief skills, but the way you talk, it is obvious you have never actually learned how to play one...la
I haven't been stolen from for years either.
And by saying people should learn how to protect their gear, you're saying that players should continue to have ways to prevent themselves from being stolen from... meaning old school thieves should continue to be useless.
...la
Find the post where I claim to have played a thief.
Don't bother you won't find one because it doesn't exist.
So who's the liar?
if you dont care about pixles, you dont need to play a game on a screen.
Theives need to come back big time. I mean lets be real, there needs to be a 4 to 8 (maybe even 10!!!
)% chance to steal insured items from people at 120 stealing (or something along thoes lines)
Then you need to be able to place bounties on people who steal insured items from you.
do you wish to place a bounty on the scoundrel rico who hath stolen thy "insert insured item here"? if you click yes you get the choice to place an ammount based on what you have in your bank, and that becomes a frozen asset until you cancel the bounty or its completed.
If someone accepts the bounty and kills the theif (who has the benifit of being able to use your stolen artifact until now) all the bounty loot is placed into his or her bank account and the stolen item is returned to the original victim.
im no dev ...yet
but theives CAN be fixed. and im sure their thinking of ways. but "the list" is long.
PS devs, i will work for min wage if i can sleep in the office and you take me to lunch now and then
Theives need to come back big time. I mean lets be real, there needs to be a 4 to 8 (maybe even 10!!!
)% chance to steal insured items from people at 120 stealing (or something along thoes lines)Then you need to be able to place bounties on people who steal insured items from you.
do you wish to place a bounty on the scoundrel rico who hath stolen thy "insert insured item here"? if you click yes you get the choice to place an ammount based on what you have in your bank, and that becomes a frozen asset until you cancel the bounty or its completed.
If someone accepts the bounty and kills the theif (who has the benifit of being able to use your stolen artifact until now) all the bounty loot is placed into his or her bank account and the stolen item is returned to the original victim.
im no dev ...yet
but theives CAN be fixed. and im sure their thinking of ways. but "the list" is long.PS devs, i will work for min wage if i can sleep in the office and you take me to lunch now and then
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Black magick
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That right there is beyond enough said LOL. lolz @ Colter, if this matter really didn't get to you, then why so many posts about it? But on the topic of siege, some reasons that there aren't as "many" people as on proddy shards is, one char per person, and the simple fact that a majority of people who play UO are trammys who are too afraid of dieing and losing pixels to play on siege. I mean, since fel is "dead" why don't more people go there to farm and such? Answer, they are scared. ^^
Wow that's a freaking brilliant idea....
So the no skill, no risk thief steals the item. Bounty is set up by victim. Thief's buddy kills the thief and then they split the gold.
Win, win right....... oh wait, except for the dude who got his item stolen. He probably won't be playing this game very long. So he quits along with the majority of the playerbase who hate the worthless thief class. No one left playing game, so it closes. Thieves have to go back to RL, where they are afraid of their own shadows.
I vote .....umm.... NO to you ever being allowed to propose an idea again.
It doesn't matter, but I get paid a lot of money to sit here and babysit several employees and argue with morons on the internet.
So don't worry, I'm ok.
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Connor_Graham
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No, there doesn't, for the same reasons that insurance is here to stay.I mean lets be real, there needs to be a 4 to 8 (maybe even 10!!!
you dont think things thru enough, too quick to trash.
theives = no skill or risk is contestable
the bounty can be as simple as bounty for (this guy) for (this amount of gold)
even IF people set this situation up, they may get 10k gold to split (woopty do) and then they victim doesnt quit because why? read my post again and tell me. dont feel like it? ok he gets his item back and the theif looses out on it. hell you could even make the bounty expireable
im not here to propose intense well thought of 100% awesome ideas. simply here to propose. lets think of how ideas can work and not how they CAN suck and tell people not to post their ideas.
If Trammel was so popular, then why did UO's population plateau and then begin declining shortly after it was put in?
Oh, and FYI... Trammel has whiney, crap talking ******bags everywhere. The only difference is-is that I can't kill them. So exactly, how did it solve that problem?
Nice try tho, insert 2 coins and try again?
You mean because everyone who actually cared/wanted to play Siege had quit in the 2 YEARS it took them to even address the issue?
Nice try, no soup.
No, there doesn't, for the same reasons that insurance is here to stay.I mean lets be real, there needs to be a 4 to 8 (maybe even 10!!!
I have no problem with insurance. but would you reeeealy mind if someone failed a few times trying to steal an insured item from you? 4% or 8% chance at 120 would/should give you plenty of time to run or kill the little feller yeah? and if he did get it you could just offer a bount of like 14k and get your sick ass orny back when hes captured.
it just seems reasonable to me. its as simple as ransom. Hey i got your item, you want it, pay up.
you know, you could even make this a gold sink. like the person has to pay 20k per guard they want to set up the bounty on. and when the theif walks by the guard, or vice versa, the item is confiscated and the person can come and reclaim it. that would eliminate nay sayer bro aboves planed ransom scam
and he coulda thought of this.
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Googly
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I play both. Siege you can get a good item off just about any single person you see. Just like the good ol' days. Banks and gates is all it takes.
On production, if you want nice items, you have to do things like stealth into the baracoon spawn. E-fields, para fields, nox fields, earth quakes, a dozen different people who can easily passive reveal you or run into you.
Otherwise you spend hours crawling around Yew gate and dungeons, hoping to find that one uninsured wep.
Real thieves play production. Siege thieves need the good weapon steals and such. Production thieves can get their stealing jolly off on bandies and regs, with the occasional nice item.
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Static
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Ummm.... I was stating the value of the item, not the "level" of stealing....
But thanks Rico
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Connor_Graham
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Well, let's put this into perspective so I can answer this question.
I've been trying for months now to get the last few gears I need for my Dawn's Music Box.
I get lucky one day and finally get one of the Rare gears that are so hard to find.
I'm at the bank dropping off some gold prior to going to my house to put the insured gear in my music box and some snot nosed little naked leg humper comes along and steals months worth of effort in seconds.
Yeah, I'd say I'd mind.
Quite a bit in fact.
As sad as I am to say this, I agree. Old school thieves are gone, and they won't be coming back. What we need is a re-vamp of the class altogether. Maybe a way to make a thief that is useable in the current state of the world.
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Llams Anit
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Doesn't make sense ...la
Bring back the old school thieves!!!!
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Llams Anit
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Doesn't make sense...la
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Llams Anit
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Doesn't make sense ...la
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Static
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NERF NERF NERF thats the only words i hear........
If its not the super dragons its thieves
or
factions
or
kr
or
GM's
or
scripters
or
speed haxxors
or
Guilds
or
Xfers
or
Felucca
or
Trammel
or
EA
or
Mythic
or
Housing Decay
or
Items
or
Shards
or
Events
or
Quest
or
Skills
or
Tamers
or
Dexxers
or
Stats
or
Spells
or
Items
or
Lack of Items
or
Turn In's
or
population
or
econemy
or
bosses
or
Overly powered suits
or
SA
*Drifts off*
The point is this. If its not one thing, its another.... The point of the topic was a "simple" yes or no, or a maybe.........
Not HOROR STORIES OF TERRIBLE NAIL BITTING THIEVES!
takes a long time to learn how to type in brail....
If its not the super dragons its thieves
or
factions
or
kr
or
GM's
or
scripters
or
speed haxxors
or
Guilds
or
Xfers
or
Felucca
or
Trammel
or
EA
or
Mythic
or
Housing Decay
or
Items
or
Shards
or
Events
or
Quest
or
Skills
or
Tamers
or
Dexxers
or
Stats
or
Spells
or
Items
or
Lack of Items
or
Turn In's
or
population
or
econemy
or
bosses
or
Overly powered suits
or
SA
*Drifts off*
The point is this. If its not one thing, its another.... The point of the topic was a "simple" yes or no, or a maybe.........
Not HOROR STORIES OF TERRIBLE NAIL BITTING THIEVES!
takes a long time to learn how to type in brail....
Mechanics...sheesh...la. La. La la la.
How is that Glass House, Mr./Ms./Mrs. Spelling Instructor?
La La La.
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galefan2004
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It would take me forever to explain a decent PvP and PvM system to you, so I won't bother. What I will say is that I know more people that left this game after losing an item than for any other reason. Its true that people don't like to lose items.
If you bought a new car and had it stollen I can guarantee you'd be calling the law and not letting up until you got the car back. Yes, UO is only a game, but people don't like having things stollen here much more.
go to a bank in tram?
and im talking about a very small chance at 120 to do this.
even in fel chances are theyd mess up at a bank
Edit* You should also have to go to an actual insurer to insure items and sign up for the renewal program, that way you cant steal and insure. then you can kill or be killed. yay
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Static
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Then the argument doesnt apply.........
You cant compair fake life to real world events.... Its not a valid argument.
Try telling that to this guy
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Static
Guest
So after my damn mind just nearly exploded,
I love listening to you Armchair psychopath's.
Okay so if you boil down your "point" if you can grasp it...
If your statement is true.....
Then..... Everything Applys. So lets see what uses MAY Apply....
If your friend was murdered,I can guarantee you'd be calling the law and not letting up until the murder was solved. Yes, UO is only a game, but people don't like having there friends murdered.
If your house fell,I can guarantee you'd be calling the law and not letting up until all the looters where gone. Yes, UO is only a game, but people don't like having things looted.
If you where being attacked by "MONSTERS",I can guarantee you'd be calling the law and not letting up until the "MONSTERS" Where gone. Yes, UO is only a game, but people don't like being chased by "MONSTERS".
After the police arrested you for being on LSD, Im sure you could explain your reason of insanity........
Enjoy,
Armchair psychopaths