im just saying, its going to be abused. people are going to be complaining about it in a few weeks after the pub. theres going to be groups of blues hovering around VVV fights waiting for one to get low on health to finish off. then a suicide VVV death, then just do it again. that will be the new guardzone hugging.
They could just put their gear and pack contents in a secure and have a friend in VvV kill them to remove the flag. Since death means nothing in UO, they'll just rinse and repeat. Interfering is likely to need a harsher penalty.Let's just say if you are a blue and you try to pull those kind of shenanigans (attacking/healing) against a VvV player you are going to end up having a bad time.
i understand why its like this tho, to make it easy to get temporarily involved and encourage pvp, especially if your in a guild where not all members are VVV. i cant think of a good way around it, other than give a murder count, or set a timer rather than removal on death. Maybe a 3 hour timer. It could still be abused but not as much.
How about...longer stat loss for non-VvV participants who engage VvV participants?
That already happens with factions....Except with VvV now they will flag to EVERYONE, AND face stat.
i know, which was one of the major reasons people left factions and why VvV was created. I guess we'll see how it plays out. I cant think of a way to avoid this. You know bad pvpers, anything that can be exploited will be.
What was the "reward" for the risk of being red?
Perma-gray for thieves was a huge deterrent, right?
Being able to kill whoever you damn well pleased away from a guardzone (say, in a dungeon)...but you didn't need to be red to do that. Even in towns there was more risk to it - you couldn't indiscriminately attack people, while they could do it to you. There are no real rewards for it, and never will be.
I actually enjoyed perma grey
They're the same as the Faction Artifacts are right now, except get "Antique" added to them and removed the 4 week decay timer.
I think the various murders were the reward for the risk of being red.
No, a person's loot was the reward for the risk of dying and going statloss.
You are mean in a good way...I like it...Let's just say if you are a blue and you try to pull those kind of shenanigans (attacking/healing) against a VvV player you are going to end up having a bad time.
*enters a trance & drools*
Fixed. You'll see the change in the final client release.
Hehe thanks. You know it's those little things that we really appreciate.
Problem here is, they will just have a friend in VvsV kill them and they are free again. At least let it take 3 days to wear off after they are killed of a VvsV
Its an intresting point of view you have.
I'm pretty sure you know what the reward is..
That's just how the game is now. When I went red all those years ago, it was for the bolded. For Covenant, the reason was likely the same. I, for one, will absolutely NOT use the forged royal pardon, even if I were to get my hands on one (Although I might use it on TC1 after a Char Copy just to see what happens when you get another count)
Uhh, what? You think Reds are the ones who cause grief in Felucca? That's some pretty good stuff, pass it to me. I've had more issues with people on BLUES since returning than I did with Reds, so do not tell me Reds only exist for griefing. The Blues today are too damn afraid to take counts in Fel (especially if you're in Blackthorn), so they'll just lure spawn on you to do the job. If I go back on my Red, they're nowhere to be found...but even if they stick around, it's still boring. If they do stay (or fight at all), I need at least two people to even make it interesting for me. Even if it was 2v1, they were unable to kill me (though I couldn't kill them either)
Griefing huh, Blues do more griefing than reds incase you haven't noticed, also, since when do you need to be red to take a spawn from someone ?
Pets are allowed and being used. I've seen someone using a GD and a few people using vollems.
They do have a consumable as a VvV reward to remove stat loss. Stat loss is pretty short now. I believe stat loss has a purpose (and I am one of the people who end up in it more than I might like). It helps a smaller group of experienced pvpers against a larger group who would otherwise just rez up and keep pushing until they get lucky.
Did you get a successful stress test?
Kaio, try make a red char and just play in Felucca and you will see the blues true nature. Trust me, some of them are scum. You will see, that blue PK's or noto PK's really mean. They will kill anything, that won't give them counts.
I know lots of cool reds and sure a lot of cool blue too.
I find this a good thing. Anyone that is joining VvV is probably doing so for PvP Action. If you can ultimately join VvV and be freely attackable (like being RED) then they will get more PvP...... Ganks suck ya..... but not having any action to begin with sucks more!With VvsV, they will target VvsV over non VvsV, as they only need to get a VvsV friend to kill them to get back to blue. A lot reds enjoy killing that kind of scum
I never claimed that reds, were the only one who griefs in fel..I did however state that they are in the top of the greif toolchain
Usually the blue guy who grief, has serveral reds, i know how it works..Kaio, try make a red char and just play in Felucca and you will see the blues true nature. Trust me, some of them are scum. You will see, that blue PK's or noto PK's really mean. They will kill anything, that won't give them counts.
With VvsV, they will target VvsV over non VvsV, as they only need to get a VvsV friend to kill them to get back to blue. A lot reds enjoy killing that kind of scum
That argument is so 1999.I never claimed that reds, were the only one who griefs in fel..I did however state that they are in the top of the greif toolchain
Iv'e never had any seriously issues with blues, when the guild i was in, had a whole shard on lockdown, controlled all champspawns..
But ya, lets call it pvp, when 1 large guild outnumbers another, and crush them 3 to 1 and controls all the champspawn..
So when and if you goto fel, to hunt some blue players who arent equipped for a pvp fight, arent that greifing ?
To me it sounds like someone bragging about killing the afk tamer at the bull pen
Oh man i just had this awesome pvp fight vs a guy running after some bulls..
Oh in what way exacly ?
Yes it's long time,Usually the blue guy who grief, has serveral reds, i know how it works..
I mostly play in fel,, but i guess you have forgotten that, been awhile since iv'e visited siege
If by never participate you mean not play the pvp games yes, but you will still be flagged as VvV so someone may come along and require you to "partisipate".
But that's all you can do with it if you don't participate...but I'm not sure the "Faction" arties can wear out:
I'm pretty sure i'll be quite safe out of felucaIf by never participate you mean not play the pvp games yes, but you will still be flagged as VvV so someone may come along and require you to "partisipate".
Wearing my free VvV arties You don't see it as a flaw in the system ?
Ah I see you can't attack people in tram. That's kind of stupid. Though isn't that how factions were as well?I'm pretty sure i'll be quite safe out of feluca
No! It is not stupid. It is good! Thank god!
Why is it good? It just lets people abuse the VvV system. Oranges should be attackable on any facet.
I agree, VvsV should work on all facets. It would make the normal shards a much nicer place.
