Well dang that chart has been out forever, but you are right according to the calculator.
skip all that dex increae, most people use a dex potion to get to the 150 dex
agreed. the HLD change is pretty neat, we'll see how it plays out
No offense but I am so tired of people whining on behalf of crafters.
Thank you for adding “Balanced” to the loot generated two-handed weapons. Will it be added to both the “classic” loot generation (e.g. overland spawn) and/or the “new” loot generation (e.g. re-vamped Shame)?
However, the penalty incurred to “balanced” two-handed weapons is too severe. Any character with Parrying or Parrying & Bushido will beat a severe disadvantagecrippled. Their ability to block attacks will be eliminated, effectively negating an entire skill (Parrying) and 50% of the Bushido moves. Nothing is gained by adding this penalty to “Balanced” Two-Handed Weapons. Consider the following scenarios (using UO Stratics – Combat, example skill values given):
Summary:
- Characters with 0 Parrying and 0 Bushido. They will be unaffected, as they do not rely on the increased defense provided by the skills. They have 0% chance to block an attack with a weapon (ignoring racial traits, for simplicity). This property will be purely beneficial, as it should be.
- Characters with 100 Parrying and 0 Bushido. Their highest chance of blocking comes from the use of a shield (30% chance), where as they have a much lower chance to block with only a weapon (17% chance, regardless if 1H or 2H). Focusing on weapon parry (ignoring shields), the ability to drink a potion (with this change) comes at cost of 17% block chance for 2H weapons or NO penalty for 1H weapons. Two-Handed Weapons would remain less favorable to one handed weapons. Without the penalty to “Balanced” this character would be unaffected by their choice of weapon and drinking a potion, and be able to use the abilities of their invested skill.
- Characters with 0 Parrying and 100 Bushido. They will be unaffected, as they do not rely on the increased defense provided by the skill. They have a negligible 5% chance to block an attack with any weapon (due to the bonus provided by GM skill). They already cannot use 50% of the Bushido special moves (their effectiveness is couples to block chance). This property will be purely beneficial, as it should be.
- Characters with 100 Parrying and 100 Bushido. Their highest chance of blocking comes from using a 2H weapon (29% chance), where as they have a slightly lower chance to block with a 1H weapon (25% chance) Their ability to drink a potion (with this change) comes at cost of 29% block chance AND 50% of the Bushido Moves for 2H weapons or NO penalty for 1H weapons, with a 4% decrease in block chance. Two-Handed Weapons would remain less favorable to one handed weapons. Without the penalty to “Balanced” this character would be unaffected by their choice of weapon and drinking a potion, and be able to use the abilities of their invested skills.
Characters without Parrying or Parrying & Bushido will be unaffected. Characters with Parrying or Parrying & Bushido will be deterred from using “Balanced” weapons with this penalty. The weapons are clearly inferior to unbalanced versions. This change (with the penalty) provides no appeal to using 2H weapons versus 1H weapons. This penalty detracts form the "goal" of this publish of providing more choices.
Suggestions:
- Remove the Penalty from Balanced for Two-Handed Weapons. There is no penalty for a “Balanced” archery weapons, there should be no penalty for a “Balanced” Two-Handed Weapons. Archery already does not benefit from Parrying, so this will not affect Archery. The property should work the same regardless of which 2H weapon it is on. This penalty adds unnecessary complexity to the property. This penalty detracts from the appeal of using 2H weapons, thus does not add more choices to the players.
- Allow “Balanced” on Crafted Two-Handed Weapons. Crafters cannot be neglected and need to be able to provide an equivalent product as can be looted. If crafted 2H weapons cannot be balanced, then the crafter cannot provide that to his customer. Please allow “Balanced” to Imbuing, and Runic Crafting. The imbuing weight should remain high (comparable to SC), since this is a significant ability. Others have suggested that the total property weight be increased for 2H weapons (I am in favor of this). Any increase in total property weight should be not make the “Balanced” property free, but significant enough for greater appeal of imbued non-balanced 2H weapons (a +50 point increase may be a good start, giving 550 points for exceptional 2H weapons).
Stayin Alive,
BG
Kage, i dunno why ur complaining about this so much. I'm sure a "Greater refresh" will be return MORE than enough stam that you run on mages. Might suck on a dexer, but we don't know the numbers yet.
None taken. But from your soapbox, you seem to have overlooked the point.
Bows only, still. other then that. one-handed weapons are still the way to go... (IMO)
skip balanced, give them something better like 600 intensity, 2-tile range, but sacrifice chugging i guess
Gah I just spent 10 minutes explaining what I'd do in Detail & then decided "WHY share it wit the masses"..... I'm thinking it will be quite effective & I'm already growing attached to the idea heh. Sorry!
Amen!While you are fiddiling with t-map loot, can you change all the items to mirror the new dungeon loot?
Sorry, wasnt meant to be a soapbox.None taken. But from your soapbox, you seem to have overlooked the point.
We should not have to rely only on the loot generator to get a "Balanced" 2H weapon. Since it is being added to loot, it should be added to crafting as well. It is already there for archery, so it should not be too big of a stretch to add it for 2H weapons. Players should get a choice on how they want to balance their weapon, random loot or spent crafting resources.
Stayin Alive,
BG
If your explanation is right it makes more sense to raise resist rather than worry about marginally increasing the attackers chance to hit.
Asked and answeredOMG
You said something i agree with
Yes...or balanced could be included as one of the enhancement benefits of Copper (since IMO has the worst benefit from enhancing) or maybe from enhancing from one of the imbuing ingredients with a smith/imbuer....that could really open up some crafting possibilities....
I would be ok with their posit now but I don't think it would really improve its use.
Exactly not to mention unless I read it wrong there is no timer anymore. Which means you can still spam refresh pots. I think we need to test it before we declare it horrible. I think it is a nice compromise I mean they could have kept the timer..
Yeah but they shouldn;t be too low either. But I agree having high drop rates for this stuff isn;t the way to go.
Did you not read the Pub Notes (OP) or this entire thread? SAD esp for a UO Moderator not to do so. Here let me explain.
Pretty much. Archers used to be balanced around the fact that they were ranged. The balancing factors were...
Yes, the description can be interpreted both ways. But I'm 100% sure, they're just talking of the inherent bonus and not some added up value.
I think it would be better to have it set at 3% per for any non medable, otherwise people will not wear plate once again.
Nice, will have to see how it turns out.
Exactly. Even WITH imbuable balanced and no evasion penalty two handed weapons are still at a disadvantage over all. Balanced would help though.
What is the disadvantage to using a balanced 2H weapon with no evasion penalty?
Yep. With the suggestion that i later edited into my previous post, with having slow 2H Melee Weps ignoring 10-15% of an opponent's Resists, the Halberd in that example with those skills would go up to 24.7 - 30.7 damage (10% Ignore Resists) or 27 - 34 damage (15% Ignore Resists) against another player who has 70 in all Resists. Some may think that damage is over the top, but that's also with all the damage skills/properties at absolute max. With 30% SSI and 180+ Stam, the Halberd would swing at 1.5 secs, but once that Stam starts dropping, the weapon speed immediately starts to drop as well. We already have Scribe Mages doing 45+ damage Flamestrikes as well, and those can be synced with a 30-35 damage Explosion, so the Halberd damage i just proposed really isn't that nuts. I'd ultimately choose the 10% Ignore Resists as more balanced though for slow 2H Melee Weps.
The price of a Balanced 2H Weapon would be slower swings speeds (which makes missing even more painful to watch) and the inability to use a Shield, which they can provide a crapton of mods. As i already pointed out, the supposed bonus to damage of a 2H Wep is very small against a high Resists target.
Uh, no dude. Your interpretation is exactly opposite the stated one.
Of course they're only talking about inherent bonuses. My example was formulated with that in mind. The imbued LMC is just to demonstrate that displayed item properties will magically veer between being correct and incorrect depending upon what else is being worn.
What's wrong with that? Make the Balanced mod imbuable and everyone who wants it will have to give up a "real" mod to make room for it anyway. Leave Balanced two-handers with (even partially) nerfed defense and they're going straight into the "developers don't know how UO is played lol" garbage heap that seemingly 75% of everything added to this game in the last five years has ended up in.
Definitely- between the time it takes to gather everything, make everything, get out on the boats and finally find something, the reward is no where near worth the time investment.
Yeah I am hoping this refinement thing will make it worth it again. The idea certainly is interesting just needs work. I do think something needs to be done about how expensive time consuming it is to go out hunting merchant and pirate ships.
Yeah they need to really lower the cost of pirating. It is way to much right now. I like pirating and would probably do it occasionally for this refinement stuff. But it would be way to expensive to do it as the primary way. Much easier just to do treasure maps and champ spawns and stuff.
I have a feeling that's probably just not how it works. Its probably on or off, and the closest thing they could get to replicating it being variable was the silly mana burst thing. Thus lmc.
Impossible to get 1.25 with a Heavy Crossbow. 2 seconds is possible but not 1.25
We've hit the core problem of 2-handers and other 'big' weapons in games here - the real-world reason they were made and used was that the first time they made contact, you could be reasonably certain the target would go down and be out of the fight, whereas in any game system, 'one hit kills' are hugely unpopular. Thus we get the weird hybrid that the 'killer' weapons do the same chipping away that the smaller stuff does, and since the inclination is to make the bigger ones slower, they become nice cosmetic and graphic addons on your avatar and paperdoll, but seriously flawed options for actually fighting - especially in PvP. Mucking about with criticals and specials still gets nowhere, as the weapon's core point - 'this thing puts people down FAST' - is not generally acceptable in a game.
