Sonoma PvP Thread

[Tamer [Deth]]

I just saw that on mainpage.

 

[Abaddon (Deth)]

And you are an idiot if you really think that is the intent of my post. Reading should also include comprehension. But to use your logic, when was the last time you saw a beetle that can evade? Or stealth? Or disarm? My point is that you use the tools that you have spent the skillpoints to make available to you. Quit making it sound like tamers in pvp are so worthless. If they were, I, and my compratriots, would not be red with pets. A dex monkey, or talented mage, in the open field, will beat a tamer and pets 90% of the time. The tamer has to chose his fights more carefully, since once it starts, he is most times easy pickings.

And if you couldnt pull the ironic tone out of my pets=weapons comment, then tomorrow morning, after first bell, try to go see your lit and comp teacher for a little help before naptime.

btw, that's Mr. Abaddon to you young sir/ma'am

 

[We Run It]

Im not even going to argue about this b/c is so rediculous. Your just a trammy looking for a little pvp action and then you post on here like your actually good at it. Last time i checked anyone could hit the one macro (all kill). Everyone knows tamers are lame in fel but yet u still convince yourself that you are skilled.haha wow...im pretty sure the rest of the fel that isnt tamers can agree with me on this one.

 

[Guest]

And all you hit is evade/bleed/AI/bandage self whats the difference?

 

[Guest]

The difference is obvious, flaps!

One is all that, and the other, not so much

 

[kleptobyte]

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First, Lillith, your pets count the same as someones weapon, exception being that you cant use your pets for defense, only offense. The 300+ points it takes to be a tamer eliminates so many other options, it most times leaves the tamer damned near physically defenseless, so it is his wits that keeps him alive. Pets are slower on foot then most people running (also on foot) so even their ability to cast while moving is limited. They cant use area effect spells for the most part and they are mostly controlled by AI once the fight starts, and we all know how uber the AI for creatures is in UO. All in all, the reason most tamers dont pvp is because they are too easily killed when faced with an experienced opponent. I have been playing tamers for 6 years, in pvp and pvm, and I die quite often. But if you want to make the arguement that pets count as extra stations in a combat (1v1, 2v2, 4v2 etc) then count the 40SSI 40Lightning 50DI heavy xbow my archer has as another station as well. Or how about counting all weapons as extras. Then, the only true 1v1 you can have will be mages. You spend your skill points on a character, and in a fight, it is one character and his tools that shows up (whether those tools are bows, spells, or pets).

Next, Worm, a tamer isnt the only pvp character I have, and I do have several. I just dont post pics of my kills, as that is about childish (unless of course you are trying to prove a point to the pvp god Doomchild)

Abaddon (Deth)
Dyvim Tvar

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What a moron

 

[Philos]

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Waka's Standards...Rez killing is cheap..and only goes to show how weak you are. I can understand if u are in a big battle or something but dang. Just tryin to get my rez and go on....Got to get a few cheap shots in cuz i killed u earlier huh?
hehe...guess panthers got to get his kill somehow.

As i said...weak

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Awww did the big bad meanie come and res kill you on the field. Poor wittle guy. Come give daddy a hug.

 

[Abaddon (Deth)]

Moronchild, oh we have missed you

 

[Abaddon (Deth)]

The only reason half of fel doesnt play tamers is because it actually takes time and energy to build the template. Cant macro the crap out of it to go to Legendary in a few days. As far as being a trammie, ok sure, I have a house in tram, and a house in fel as well. Spend more time in fel then tram, as I have for years now, but no matter, you know me and mine so well that to argue it would be pointless. You are just mad because I use the tools I took the time to build, and you can die to it (or kill me, it goes both ways, just like you).

And, btw, I find it difficult to understand, if I am such a trammie, why is it that both of my tamers (Abaddon and Dyv) either are, or have been red with 10+ counts? Hard to rack up counts in Tram. (Dyv is Legendary Mage and Eval too, pets dont do all the work) And yes, I earned the scrolls to get me there, didnt buy them.

Dyv

 

[We Run It]

ok..so just because it was "on the field" that makes it alright...even though no one was fighting anywhere around us. Sry i forgot that makes it ok...

 

[We Run It]

Did u really just ask this question....lmao. Whats the difference in a warrior pvping and a tamer pvping. Lets see hmmm...Well for one thing a warrior cant hit u with 3 different spells at the same time(beetle,mare,tamer). U dont have to chase people down to kill them like on a warrior because the pets do it for u...and a warrior cant dismount u while killing you with 2 other weapons...any other stupid questions strung?

 

[Guest]

Yeah I honestly cant play a pvp tamer because I suck at keeping my pets on a target.

Yes one more stupid question why would you try to ai me when im naked instead of just consecrate and hitting me since it would do more damage cuz its not capped at 35? oh yeah because you only know how to ai evade bleed lol.

 

[Bigworm01]

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And all you hit is evade/bleed/AI/bandage self whats the difference?

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Your the last person that should be ****ting on somebodys template. Strangle bleed lol

 

[Bigworm01]

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First, Lillith, your pets count the same as someones weapon, exception being that you cant use your pets for defense, only offense. The 300+ points it takes to be a tamer eliminates so many other options, it most times leaves the tamer damned near physically defenseless, so it is his wits that keeps him alive. Pets are slower on foot then most people running (also on foot) so even their ability to cast while moving is limited. They cant use area effect spells for the most part and they are mostly controlled by AI once the fight starts, and we all know how uber the AI for creatures is in UO. All in all, the reason most tamers dont pvp is because they are too easily killed when faced with an experienced opponent. I have been playing tamers for 6 years, in pvp and pvm, and I die quite often. But if you want to make the arguement that pets count as extra stations in a combat (1v1, 2v2, 4v2 etc) then count the 40SSI 40Lightning 50DI heavy xbow my archer has as another station as well. Or how about counting all weapons as extras. Then, the only true 1v1 you can have will be mages. You spend your skill points on a character, and in a fight, it is one character and his tools that shows up (whether those tools are bows, spells, or pets).

Next, Worm, a tamer isnt the only pvp character I have, and I do have several. I just dont post pics of my kills, as that is about childish (unless of course you are trying to prove a point to the pvp god Doomchild)

Abaddon (Deth)
Dyvim Tvar

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When 2 pets explo fs you that doesn't count as the same person.....

 

[Lilith Vysage]

Abbadon, Noxers are hard to train tammers are easy ive got 2 but you know what you don't see me taking them to fellucia to pvp. Tammers in pvp just shouldn't be allowed. And don't give me that crap about when the pets go for you the tammer is deffencless BS you got magery right? secondly by the time ive got your pets on me and im after you I could almost garantee they will be back on me within seconds, also killing the pet first dosn't work cause all you have to do is run off petball/log out.

 

[We Run It]

Lmao...or maybe...because i dont have chiv? Stupid question answered!

 

[Philos]

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ok..so just because it was "on the field" that makes it alright...even though no one was fighting anywhere around us. Sry i forgot that makes it ok...

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Yeh, you guys did it to me to. Except I man'd up and didn't come to the board to pancake about it. Suck it up.

 

[trickmaster]

RTLFC

Guys, I had some fun this weekend (possibly even last night... i think ya last night too) with the fighting that went on at alll the different places!

Marble, Tera, Despise, uhm... OTHER PLACES TOO!


Stay classy sonoma!

 

[Lizzo]

i like beans...

 

[Abaddon (Deth)]

Noxxers arent that hard to train, in my opinion. Taming takes more time, though not more resources. As so many have shown me, in pvp with a tamer and pets, the idea isnt to kill the animals, it is to wax the tamer, then outrun the damned pets, invis/hide, they are done targetting with their controller dead. But just because YOU dont bring your pets to Fel to pvp, that doesnt mean that others shouldnt. I dont bring my smith to pvp, but I know a few legendary tailors that can smoke a lot of folks in a fight. Saying "tamers should not be allowed in pvp" is ridiculous. All sorts of folk show up for non-AI fights, tamers and not. What are your thoughts on Peace-dexxers then? They can dismount, disarm, bleed and whatever else, the whole time you are peaced. Are you next going to say that bards should not be allowed in pvp? Hell, they dont have to equip anything to use their skill, it cant be disrupted like a spell, and if they peace themselves, it effects everyone in the area to some degree.

btw, you arguement about a tamer mage being able to use mage for defense, begs to ask one simple question. Since when did magery get to be used in calculating combat damage? Short of using a mage weapon, tamer mages defensive capabilities are normally greatly less then those of a straight mage, who has the extra 300 points to put into their template.

I will still be bringing my red tamer for combat (helped take an undead spawn lastnight from BC, and kill Neira) and you can continue to whine about it. I will also continue to bring my stealth fencer, and my stealth-necro-archer, just for kicks. Might even come out on my straight mage here and there.

A side note to BC, I was truthfully impressed by your three man job at the undead. Worked very well as a small team to get the spawn all the way to the champ, with no-one else helping. I wont say what your method was here, even though I was watching you with a stealther, but I wanted to toss out a kudos to you three, you worked very well against a pancake of a spawn.

Abaddon (Deth)
Dyvim Tvar

 

[Bigworm01]

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Noxxers arent that hard to train, in my opinion. Taming takes more time, though not more resources. As so many have shown me, in pvp with a tamer and pets, the idea isnt to kill the animals, it is to wax the tamer, then outrun the damned pets, invis/hide, they are done targetting with their controller dead. But just because YOU dont bring your pets to Fel to pvp, that doesnt mean that others shouldnt. I dont bring my smith to pvp, but I know a few legendary tailors that can smoke a lot of folks in a fight. Saying "tamers should not be allowed in pvp" is ridiculous. All sorts of folk show up for non-AI fights, tamers and not. What are your thoughts on Peace-dexxers then? They can dismount, disarm, bleed and whatever else, the whole time you are peaced. Are you next going to say that bards should not be allowed in pvp? Hell, they dont have to equip anything to use their skill, it cant be disrupted like a spell, and if they peace themselves, it effects everyone in the area to some degree.

btw, you arguement about a tamer mage being able to use mage for defense, begs to ask one simple question. Since when did magery get to be used in calculating combat damage? Short of using a mage weapon, tamer mages defensive capabilities are normally greatly less then those of a straight mage, who has the extra 300 points to put into their template.

I will still be bringing my red tamer for combat (helped take an undead spawn lastnight from BC, and kill Neira) and you can continue to whine about it. I will also continue to bring my stealth fencer, and my stealth-necro-archer, just for kicks. Might even come out on my straight mage here and there.

A side note to BC, I was truthfully impressed by your three man job at the undead. Worked very well as a small team to get the spawn all the way to the champ, with no-one else helping. I wont say what your method was here, even though I was watching you with a stealther, but I wanted to toss out a kudos to you three, you worked very well against a pancake of a spawn.

Abaddon (Deth)
Dyvim Tvar

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Well if your gonna continue to pvp ona tamer you should stop posting on the pvp thread lol.

 

[Tamer [Deth]]

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Noxxers arent that hard to train, in my opinion. Taming takes more time, though not more resources. As so many have shown me, in pvp with a tamer and pets, the idea isnt to kill the animals, it is to wax the tamer, then outrun the damned pets, invis/hide, they are done targetting with their controller dead. But just because YOU dont bring your pets to Fel to pvp, that doesnt mean that others shouldnt. I dont bring my smith to pvp, but I know a few legendary tailors that can smoke a lot of folks in a fight. Saying "tamers should not be allowed in pvp" is ridiculous. All sorts of folk show up for non-AI fights, tamers and not. What are your thoughts on Peace-dexxers then? They can dismount, disarm, bleed and whatever else, the whole time you are peaced. Are you next going to say that bards should not be allowed in pvp? Hell, they dont have to equip anything to use their skill, it cant be disrupted like a spell, and if they peace themselves, it effects everyone in the area to some degree.

btw, you arguement about a tamer mage being able to use mage for defense, begs to ask one simple question. Since when did magery get to be used in calculating combat damage? Short of using a mage weapon, tamer mages defensive capabilities are normally greatly less then those of a straight mage, who has the extra 300 points to put into their template.

I will still be bringing my red tamer for combat (helped take an undead spawn lastnight from BC, and kill Neira) and you can continue to whine about it. I will also continue to bring my stealth fencer, and my stealth-necro-archer, just for kicks. Might even come out on my straight mage here and there.

A side note to BC, I was truthfully impressed by your three man job at the undead. Worked very well as a small team to get the spawn all the way to the champ, with no-one else helping. I wont say what your method was here, even though I was watching you with a stealther, but I wanted to toss out a kudos to you three, you worked very well against a pancake of a spawn.

Abaddon (Deth)
Dyvim Tvar

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Well if your gonna continue to pvp ona tamer you should stop posting on the pvp thread lol.

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What about me! Dont leave me out! I PvP on my tamer!

 

[gHETTO]

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Noxxers arent that hard to train, in my opinion. Taming takes more time, though not more resources. As so many have shown me, in pvp with a tamer and pets, the idea isnt to kill the animals, it is to wax the tamer, then outrun the damned pets, invis/hide, they are done targetting with their controller dead. But just because YOU dont bring your pets to Fel to pvp, that doesnt mean that others shouldnt. I dont bring my smith to pvp, but I know a few legendary tailors that can smoke a lot of folks in a fight. Saying "tamers should not be allowed in pvp" is ridiculous. All sorts of folk show up for non-AI fights, tamers and not. What are your thoughts on Peace-dexxers then? They can dismount, disarm, bleed and whatever else, the whole time you are peaced. Are you next going to say that bards should not be allowed in pvp? Hell, they dont have to equip anything to use their skill, it cant be disrupted like a spell, and if they peace themselves, it effects everyone in the area to some degree.

btw, you arguement about a tamer mage being able to use mage for defense, begs to ask one simple question. Since when did magery get to be used in calculating combat damage? Short of using a mage weapon, tamer mages defensive capabilities are normally greatly less then those of a straight mage, who has the extra 300 points to put into their template.

I will still be bringing my red tamer for combat (helped take an undead spawn lastnight from BC, and kill Neira) and you can continue to whine about it. I will also continue to bring my stealth fencer, and my stealth-necro-archer, just for kicks. Might even come out on my straight mage here and there.

A side note to BC, I was truthfully impressed by your three man job at the undead. Worked very well as a small team to get the spawn all the way to the champ, with no-one else helping. I wont say what your method was here, even though I was watching you with a stealther, but I wanted to toss out a kudos to you three, you worked very well against a pancake of a spawn.

Abaddon (Deth)
Dyvim Tvar

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Well if your gonna continue to pvp ona tamer you should stop posting on the pvp thread lol.

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Well i dont post much but i HAD to post to this..... Worm the bestist pvper on sonoma(as declared by none other then himself) plays a stealth bola tamer. The GREAT DR DOOM, after hes done gettin his ass handed to him on his 90EP protection mage he hops on Gluesniffer. Maybe, actually yes he too should stop posting here, its old ppl die all the time hes the only one with one hand on the mouse and the other hand on the print screen button.

 

[kleptobyte]

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Just because you use the word freely doesn't mean it isn't wrong. The word is EVIL. It's origins are wholly negative. It is not like, say, the word cracker. Do you know where that word came from? It is derived from the *crack* of the whip when slaves were being punished. It was a code word to know what was going down. When you say people call you Canadian, what negative connotations are attached to it, honestly? Is it derived from a slur or is it because you simply live in the country Canada?


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Um....you're wrong. Cracker came from corn cracking to make corn bread. The nickname of Georgia is The Cracker State. Hence, people from Georgia were called crackers. And since when do you get to define what is and what is not a slur against whites? Hypocrite?

 

[trickmaster]

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Just because you use the word freely doesn't mean it isn't wrong. The word is EVIL. It's origins are wholly negative. It is not like, say, the word cracker. Do you know where that word came from? It is derived from the *crack* of the whip when slaves were being punished. It was a code word to know what was going down. When you say people call you Canadian, what negative connotations are attached to it, honestly? Is it derived from a slur or is it because you simply live in the country Canada?


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Um....you're wrong. Cracker came from corn cracking to make corn bread. The nickname of Georgia is The Cracker State. Hence, people from Georgia were called crackers. And since when do you get to define what is and what is not a slur against whites? Hypocrite?

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I just poked around (albeit briefly) to inquire about the origins of the word. Apparently there are quite a few projections as to where it came from, but the most consistent origin I could find was indeed related to corn cracking! It seemed they were making moonshine though... could be corn bread though, who knows. Apparently affluent whites used it as a term for their less afluent counterparts in the South. A cool little fact: Shakespeare used it as an insult during one of his plays; it meant loud and boisterous. Seems the word has some history!

As to who gets to define slurs, I mean... you know I'm omniscient right? I get to define it all!

But seriously, does the fact that I'm half white get me there? Do I need to be all white? Does it matter? Despite the fact that I'm half white (which honestly who cares what race I am in this argument), I have simply used my powers of observation, common sense, and reasoning to arrive at certain conclusions.

He used "Canadian" as a riposte to my concern about the use of the word N***er, and I was pointing out how that's not actually a racial slur. Canadian isn't a race. It's a nationality. As to the word cracker, the fact is that, even if you want to consider it a racial slur, its impact (the way it affects say, a white person) is different by several orders of magnitude.

If you want to classify it as a racial slur, well then it can be (even though I find its origins ironic). I don't see people calling people cracker in game. Why is it ok to call them N***er?

PS Moonchild are you playing again or what? If so, please bring a red to the gate and don't just hug that GZ.

PPS Psuedo Update in Parentheses: (It's funny bc I heard through someone that was in the K4H vent that Rikku's response to this whole thing was "I call 'em as I see 'em.")

 

[Guest]

He might have said that but he might not have. Your hearing it second hand. I dont see why this argument is being brought up again anyway.

On the rez killing note. Unless your dueling someone you should always be prepared to be rez killed as its has become part of the game. I get rez killed all the time its no biggie and especially being rezzed infront of an opposing red you should deffinently be ready to be rez killed.

 

[imported_Vexxed]

Res killing is all good in a spawn and such or when there is a large battle going on and you want to keep your enemy dead. Its a sad thing though if your doing it to frustrate your enemy (and here's the sad part) because you CAN'T accomplish that in any other way. When I see Lan res killing in magincian and him and I are the only ones online etc.... it's obvious to me that he's gotta do it that way bc killing me is not going to happen otherwise. I play the game for a challenge and anyone who consistently doesn't only earns my disdain.... I've seen this frequently anytime a side has a #'s advantage they pull out the dismounters so they can apply those #'s more effectively. That something I dont really like though I will admit everyone does it, but how "l33T" are you for ganking a dismount with 3 others ???

Anway.....

 

[Philos]

Ham is Panther. I, on the other hand, rarely play. But I was around when you took those screenies, I suspect. Generally, I play M A N G O, but ghetto plays her more. If I am on, MANGO is wearing a blue shirt and white skirt.

 

[Bigworm01]

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Noxxers arent that hard to train, in my opinion. Taming takes more time, though not more resources. As so many have shown me, in pvp with a tamer and pets, the idea isnt to kill the animals, it is to wax the tamer, then outrun the damned pets, invis/hide, they are done targetting with their controller dead. But just because YOU dont bring your pets to Fel to pvp, that doesnt mean that others shouldnt. I dont bring my smith to pvp, but I know a few legendary tailors that can smoke a lot of folks in a fight. Saying "tamers should not be allowed in pvp" is ridiculous. All sorts of folk show up for non-AI fights, tamers and not. What are your thoughts on Peace-dexxers then? They can dismount, disarm, bleed and whatever else, the whole time you are peaced. Are you next going to say that bards should not be allowed in pvp? Hell, they dont have to equip anything to use their skill, it cant be disrupted like a spell, and if they peace themselves, it effects everyone in the area to some degree.

btw, you arguement about a tamer mage being able to use mage for defense, begs to ask one simple question. Since when did magery get to be used in calculating combat damage? Short of using a mage weapon, tamer mages defensive capabilities are normally greatly less then those of a straight mage, who has the extra 300 points to put into their template.

I will still be bringing my red tamer for combat (helped take an undead spawn lastnight from BC, and kill Neira) and you can continue to whine about it. I will also continue to bring my stealth fencer, and my stealth-necro-archer, just for kicks. Might even come out on my straight mage here and there.

A side note to BC, I was truthfully impressed by your three man job at the undead. Worked very well as a small team to get the spawn all the way to the champ, with no-one else helping. I wont say what your method was here, even though I was watching you with a stealther, but I wanted to toss out a kudos to you three, you worked very well against a pancake of a spawn.

Abaddon (Deth)
Dyvim Tvar

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Well if your gonna continue to pvp ona tamer you should stop posting on the pvp thread lol.

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Well i dont post much but i HAD to post to this..... Worm the bestist pvper on sonoma(as declared by none other then himself) plays a stealth bola tamer. The GREAT DR DOOM, after hes done gettin his ass handed to him on his 90EP protection mage he hops on Gluesniffer. Maybe, actually yes he too should stop posting here, its old ppl die all the time hes the only one with one hand on the mouse and the other hand on the print screen button.

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Yes he pvps on a tamer but thats not his main. He pvps on othr chars a lot more.

 

[Bigworm01]

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Ham is Panther. I, on the other hand, rarely play. But I was around when you took those screenies, I suspect. Generally, I play M A N G O, but ghetto plays her more. If I am on, MANGO is wearing a blue shirt and white skirt.

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HAM IS PANTER???? AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH I ****EN KNEW HE WAS A COMPLETE NEWB AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH. O god no wonder he wouldn't tell me who he was. Thx Phi :&gt;

 

[Lizzo]

i think its funny how people try to hide thier uo identities on stratics....

 

[We Run It]

LMFAO....yah i know dude. Nah philos i was at the shrine i beleive the battle was done over at marble. But hey its fine...ill just remember it in the future

 

[Guest]

just noticed your post big worm. I do believe I wasnt complaining about a template as I can kill him on a regular basis. I was stating the fact that templates are templates each has there own way of being gimpy if you want so really why complain about eachothers temps?

Edit: Peon I also remember a time you ran to magincia to rez kill me. Its ok though I could see how that may slip your mind.

 

[Bigworm01]

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just noticed your post big worm. I do believe I wasnt complaining about a template as I can kill him on a regular basis. I was stating the fact that templates are templates each has there own way of being gimpy if you want so really why complain about eachothers temps?

Edit: Peon I also remember a time you ran to magincia to rez kill me. Its ok though I could see how that may slip your mind.

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Ok I'm gonna make a tamer bring him to fel kill you then brag about it. We'll see whos complaining :&gt;

 

[Guest]

haha wont be me.....maybe you once you realize your horrible on a tamer most likely.

 

[Bigworm01]

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haha wont be me.....maybe you once you realize your horrible on a tamer most likely.

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You talk like it takes skill to pvp ona tamer.

 

[Guest]

It does take some......I dont play one but try to control your pets with 3 people attacking them and you standing there all wide open. try it sometime. You will be succesful until everyone realizes to hey kill the tamer first.

 

[Abaddon (Deth)]

try it and find out how much skill it takes. If you havent tried before, it may shock you. To get the taming needed, then the pets to bond, then train them up, and then actually try to fight. Not nearly so easy as running to the gate and playing with your guildies, especially when the tamer is red and a valid target to anyone, anywhere, anytime.

Abaddon (Deth)
Dyv

 

[Bigworm01]

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try it and find out how much skill it takes. If you havent tried before, it may shock you. To get the taming needed, then the pets to bond, then train them up, and then actually try to fight. Not nearly so easy as running to the gate and playing with your guildies, especially when the tamer is red and a valid target to anyone, anywhere, anytime.

Abaddon (Deth)
Dyv

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I didnt say training a tamer and a pet was easy I said pvping on one is easy.

 

[Abaddon (Deth)]

Have you ever tried it, let alone tried it as a red? My character is red, and still goes out to get taming gains here and there, and still has to try to train up his pets, since they do die quite often when fighting seasoned dexxers and fast mages. The fighting isnt easy, personally I find my stealth-necro-archer much easier to pvp on, but my tamer is better at killing. The other thing is this, most times tamers dont go to fight alone, they go in groups or with at least one other team mate for support. If tamers in pvp were so unbalancing, then perhaps more tamers would go for it all alone. Matter of fact, if tamers were the easiest way to kill, dont you think the giant Sonoma Gimp Template of the Week club would be on the bandwagon?

Remember that group? They are the ones that went immediately to WoD archers, then to dog archers, etc.

Abaddon

 

[gHETTO]

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Noxxers arent that hard to train, in my opinion. Taming takes more time, though not more resources. As so many have shown me, in pvp with a tamer and pets, the idea isnt to kill the animals, it is to wax the tamer, then outrun the damned pets, invis/hide, they are done targetting with their controller dead. But just because YOU dont bring your pets to Fel to pvp, that doesnt mean that others shouldnt. I dont bring my smith to pvp, but I know a few legendary tailors that can smoke a lot of folks in a fight. Saying "tamers should not be allowed in pvp" is ridiculous. All sorts of folk show up for non-AI fights, tamers and not. What are your thoughts on Peace-dexxers then? They can dismount, disarm, bleed and whatever else, the whole time you are peaced. Are you next going to say that bards should not be allowed in pvp? Hell, they dont have to equip anything to use their skill, it cant be disrupted like a spell, and if they peace themselves, it effects everyone in the area to some degree.

btw, you arguement about a tamer mage being able to use mage for defense, begs to ask one simple question. Since when did magery get to be used in calculating combat damage? Short of using a mage weapon, tamer mages defensive capabilities are normally greatly less then those of a straight mage, who has the extra 300 points to put into their template.

I will still be bringing my red tamer for combat (helped take an undead spawn lastnight from BC, and kill Neira) and you can continue to whine about it. I will also continue to bring my stealth fencer, and my stealth-necro-archer, just for kicks. Might even come out on my straight mage here and there.

A side note to BC, I was truthfully impressed by your three man job at the undead. Worked very well as a small team to get the spawn all the way to the champ, with no-one else helping. I wont say what your method was here, even though I was watching you with a stealther, but I wanted to toss out a kudos to you three, you worked very well against a pancake of a spawn.

Abaddon (Deth)
Dyvim Tvar

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Well if your gonna continue to pvp ona tamer you should stop posting on the pvp thread lol.

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Well i dont post much but i HAD to post to this..... Worm the bestist pvper on sonoma(as declared by none other then himself) plays a stealth bola tamer. The GREAT DR DOOM, after hes done gettin his ass handed to him on his 90EP protection mage he hops on Gluesniffer. Maybe, actually yes he too should stop posting here, its old ppl die all the time hes the only one with one hand on the mouse and the other hand on the print screen button.

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Yes he pvps on a tamer but thats not his main. He pvps on othr chars a lot more.

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OH damn your right Worm, what was i thinking obviously i wasnt, how on gods green earth could i have left out Holy Soldier or Shalimar? Those 2 chars are off the hook skilled. i almost shat myself when i fought Shalimar today and he server lined just as good as the kings themselves, jalisco and KMS. i do say he puts them BOTH to shame when it comes to the server line recall move, OR when he uses protection in a field fight. All DOOM has to do, in his mind of course, is be able to get off 3 spells, something like this EXPLODE POISON POISON then run away and when he comes back hes like OMG OWND IRL WHAT YA GONNA DO NOW? when he says this to me of course i log off UO and cry myself to sleep cause i was just ownd IRL by DR DOOM. Then i wake up in the morning look at my tear stained pillow and start a new day.

 

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Noxxers arent that hard to train, in my opinion. Taming takes more time, though not more resources. As so many have shown me, in pvp with a tamer and pets, the idea isnt to kill the animals, it is to wax the tamer, then outrun the damned pets, invis/hide, they are done targetting with their controller dead. But just because YOU dont bring your pets to Fel to pvp, that doesnt mean that others shouldnt. I dont bring my smith to pvp, but I know a few legendary tailors that can smoke a lot of folks in a fight. Saying "tamers should not be allowed in pvp" is ridiculous. All sorts of folk show up for non-AI fights, tamers and not. What are your thoughts on Peace-dexxers then? They can dismount, disarm, bleed and whatever else, the whole time you are peaced. Are you next going to say that bards should not be allowed in pvp? Hell, they dont have to equip anything to use their skill, it cant be disrupted like a spell, and if they peace themselves, it effects everyone in the area to some degree.

btw, you arguement about a tamer mage being able to use mage for defense, begs to ask one simple question. Since when did magery get to be used in calculating combat damage? Short of using a mage weapon, tamer mages defensive capabilities are normally greatly less then those of a straight mage, who has the extra 300 points to put into their template.

I will still be bringing my red tamer for combat (helped take an undead spawn lastnight from BC, and kill Neira) and you can continue to whine about it. I will also continue to bring my stealth fencer, and my stealth-necro-archer, just for kicks. Might even come out on my straight mage here and there.

A side note to BC, I was truthfully impressed by your three man job at the undead. Worked very well as a small team to get the spawn all the way to the champ, with no-one else helping. I wont say what your method was here, even though I was watching you with a stealther, but I wanted to toss out a kudos to you three, you worked very well against a pancake of a spawn.

Abaddon (Deth)
Dyvim Tvar

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Well if your gonna continue to pvp ona tamer you should stop posting on the pvp thread lol.

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Well i dont post much but i HAD to post to this..... Worm the bestist pvper on sonoma(as declared by none other then himself) plays a stealth bola tamer. The GREAT DR DOOM, after hes done gettin his ass handed to him on his 90EP protection mage he hops on Gluesniffer. Maybe, actually yes he too should stop posting here, its old ppl die all the time hes the only one with one hand on the mouse and the other hand on the print screen button.

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Yes he pvps on a tamer but thats not his main. He pvps on othr chars a lot more.

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OH damn your right Worm, what was i thinking obviously i wasnt, how on gods green earth could i have left out Holy Soldier or Shalimar? Those 2 chars are off the hook skilled. i almost shat myself when i fought Shalimar today and he server lined just as good as the kings themselves, jalisco and KMS. i do say he puts them BOTH to shame when it comes to the server line recall move, OR when he uses protection in a field fight. All DOOM has to do, in his mind of course, is be able to get off 3 spells, something like this EXPLODE POISON POISON then run away and when he comes back hes like OMG OWND IRL WHAT YA GONNA DO NOW? when he says this to me of course i log off UO and cry myself to sleep cause i was just ownd IRL by DR DOOM. Then i wake up in the morning look at my tear stained pillow and start a new day.

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You can kill me on a regular basis?? Wtf? When? I havent seen u kill me 1v1 in a longgg time. Maybe since u first quit efl. You know why people dont jump on the bandwaggin taming red? B/C its no fun...what fun is it to push 1 button and then hide? W/e abandon your goin no where with this no matter how much waka kisses your ass or how much u kiss theirs. Its still lame.

 

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You can kill me on a regular basis?? Wtf? When? I havent seen u kill me 1v1 in a longgg time. Maybe since u first quit efl. You know why people dont jump on the bandwaggin taming red? B/C its no fun...what fun is it to push 1 button and then hide? W/e abandon your goin no where with this no matter how much waka kisses your ass or how much u kiss theirs. Its still lame.

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Since when does Waka kiss ass to this guild? plz inform i guess i must be mising something.

 

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Stay on my screen and you will be dead 90% of the time you run away like a little girl all the time. Sadly enough that happens on almost all my temps I play minus my archer cuz you parry everything. You can tell yourself it doesnt happen but everyone knows it does.

Im done talking to you now though because you will be like big worm and say I never die to you 1 v 1 just like big worm doesnt die to dexxers 1 v 1 but I saw rikku kill him on his dexxer as big worm tried to rez kill me with you.

 

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You can kill me on a regular basis?? Wtf? When? I havent seen u kill me 1v1 in a longgg time. Maybe since u first quit efl. You know why people dont jump on the bandwaggin taming red? B/C its no fun...what fun is it to push 1 button and then hide? W/e abandon your goin no where with this no matter how much waka kisses your ass or how much u kiss theirs. Its still lame.

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Since when does Waka kiss ass to this guild? plz inform i guess i must be mising something.

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Ya. Waka is KoS to us also. We KoS anyone that is not in alliance, or a known friend. A few exceptions, but very few.

It also takes a bit more skill than hitting a button hiding. Controling which target they are on. Then keeping themselves and yourself alive while also helping to kill target. This is all while being dismounted. My character does have a heavy xbow (as philos and GTO can tell you) that I do use quite effectively to dismount my enemy if I can, but all I see MOO doing when we fight them is run on screen hit me with exp and run away like they got a rocket attached to there ass. Now worm if you think that playing a tamer is owe so easy, then be my guest. Get a tamer, and come play with me. It a bit harder than you think. More strategy than you think and could comprehend.

 

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It does take some......I dont play one but try to control your pets with 3 people attacking them and you standing there all wide open. try it sometime. You will be succesful until everyone realizes to hey kill the tamer first.

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Looks like he's kissin ass to me!! Strung out...i never run from a mage 1v1 i mean its just dumb. i can kill them in like 3 swings lol. Cmon! U dont remember the other day in the star room when it was just me and u 1v1? Wait....i bet that slipped your mind huh?

 

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No. He is agreeing with a point. Playing a Tamer is what everyone makes it out to be. PvM, is a breeze compared to PvP. Strung knows what he is talking about. Damn shame you and Mr Worm dont.

 

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No. He is agreeing with a point. Playing a Tamer is what everyone makes it out to be. PvM, is a breeze compared to PvP. Strung knows what he is talking about. Damn shame you and Mr Worm dont.

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Love all the ass kissing! Waka and deth allying too? Might as well since they have 4 others.

 

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actually I believe it was you and worm but i could be wrong......Not saying I never die because I die lots just not to you one on one (that often). Also coming from a person allied to moo who had run and tek merge so you field more or the same as us.

I mean seriously most the pvp guilds here are allied to someone so do you have a new one?