This is a false syllogism and even when it's pointed out that you blatantly contradict yourself you carry on the same rinse and repeat cycle of generalizations and fallacies.
I like you how you take this thread and apply none of it to your response.
This is true, when you only add content once every 10 years it tends to leave a big desire when the other part is continuously being fed.
That was why RPPvP was so much fun. It had purpose. It wasn't the same fight over and over and over again. There were consequences to it most often. But it had rules which made it fun for the sheep as it was for the PvPers and at the time years ago when there were many RP guilds doing many RP things it was always there.
I'm not really big into the idea of bringing PVP to trammel, though there are things you can do to mitigate issues if they did.
They were a whole lot of fun.... there was a group of savages as well but I can't recall their names. They were a lot of fun as well. Every once in a great while I'll see an URK but not too often... somewhat like spotting a TUR. Saw Outty's place fall awhile back along with many others.
Possible Explanation: maybe they wanted to know why PvPers were such a select community and how they could make changes to appeal to a broader player base and find out why so many (as evidenced by this thread) have so little interest in Felucca based PvP. If I'm running a business I want any resources to appeal to the largest customer base possible while minimizing the likelihood of alienating the current customers. For example, Trammel was invented because EA believed they were losing more customers due to thievery and non-consensual PvP than could be offset by players that liked the status quo. If they had found the opposite, i.e. for every trammel-oriented player they lost they could gain more revenue by appealing to the PvP crowd, we would have had a very different history to this game.
That's the whole issue to VvV. You shouldn't "accidentally flag" it should be you're either in it or your not, that way you can still walk through cities and not be Orange or flag. If the other person is Orange or VvV you simply cannot heal them..period! Just like factions..too many caterings to a small group. Since they have basically all but eliminated Reds, Orange can act as the New red..
Trammel is generally referred to all other facets but fel.
Disclaimer: I am now reading over what I typed below and I am rambling all over the place and yes, I'm off topic, but this is mostly in answer to those who can't understand why Fel isn't vibrant and why it has failed. I should just delete it, but read if you want.
Com'on man don't encourage her.
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Maybe $500 a year isn't enough for them to change. That's partially the issue $500 turns into $1000 etc. etc..I mean alone I've seen my entire ex guild quit or move on to different games with accounts in maintenance mode. That was less than 2 years ago. Your talking 20-30 people. Granted that's not a lot of people in the big picture, they're quitting cause there's less and less to do. Only so much mindless monster bashing can be done before you need something to tantalize a humans actual brain. At that if they had one account that's close to 5k..and I'm sure most had 2-3 now your talking about quite a bit of revenue that is spending it elsewhere with better support..possibly Clash of Clans..ftp/p2p..non working model!
Since I'm one of the ones that used to go there, and no longer go there, it's not a pointless post. If you're running a business and you're asking, "How do we become more successful? Well there's no point in getting any input from the people who stopped shopping here (Trammel citizens) instead let's keep talking to the angry, dwindling customer base (PvPers on Fel) we currently have in hopes of keeping the doors open just one more year."
Pretty the point he was getting at was posting constructive ideas towards the thread topic.
Not sure who taught you how to run a business..maybe you worked as a KMart front end supervisor and considered that "running a business". Where I'm from you don't cater to the majority of the percentage of a customer base you increase your bottom line by catering to everyone as best as possible. Yes let's say for instance nobody "like 1%" of the customer base was buying my spinach artichoke pizza and the majority"99%" was buying a plain cheese because well, the artichokes are a funny vegetable on the east coast. I would most likely try a few different things before scrapping the idea. I would maybe add a bit of flavor like bacon "everyone loves bacon" in this case "pixels". And still then no one was buying my beloved artichoke spinach pie..ok well I still have a 1% base that enjoys it. I would probably throw up some super enticing specials to get folks to try it. If all else fails I just buy less and move it the best I can, cause well maybe the next time that 1% comes in the bring a big party..wouldn't want to lose that to the guy down the street because he has a brain and used it wisely "in this case another MMO"..but we aren't comparing an artichoke/spinach pie to a cheese..we are more along of the lines of a 70%/30% basis..in which case I would never forfeit 30% business to satisfy the 70%..I would keep the 70% by continuing to push out a great product that they love and try to increase it by pulling the 30% over there as well, but at the same time try to grow my 30% not alienate them and tell them they aren't as important..ya know what. Welfare in CT is a good plan, maybe I'll scrap everything all together and just lives off the Trammy tax payers and screw everything. Does food stamps pay for UO subs?
Fel-exclusive content: Double resources (VERY old), 1k bonus luck for pvm, Powerscrolls (over a decade old), Stygian Abyss spawns, VvV.
PLEASE answer me one question.
I'm sorry you don't think my post was constructive. As someone who has been playing for a long time I thought it was worth understanding why players like me aren't coming back to Fel. I thought the issue was that PvPers wanted more and better content aimed at their community. My point was that you would be better served by making Fel attractive to a broader base of players (through voluntary and willing participation). If you don't want to make your style of play more appealing to all, then your population isn't going to grow and Fel will die out. Most of you have admitted that you are crossing over to Trammel to take part in the new content, whereas Trammel players aren't going to go to Fel regardless of content. Seems the developers are smarter than you think cause they are reaching a broader base with new Trammel content. You might be coming over growling and snarling, but you are coming over.
Let me ask you a question. If lady Mel didn't drop dyes/artifacts/deco..how many people you think would do it? If shadow guard at the end gave you a bag of 25k gold and a pat on the back..who would do it? I'll answer for you since I'm impatient and don't want to wait for your reply..no one..
Roleplayers on my shard did it for years without any in game help. Yes, when guild stones came along it got easier, but we managed without them for the first little while. Hell, the orcs even brought some PvPers around to try roleplaying because back then there wasn't anyone to fight but other players so if you wanted to PvP, you role played. (and please don't equate EM events with RP...most RPers avoided official events because of all the sociopaths that used them as an avenue for getting the attention they craved).
Something new to fight over. VvV town fighting went for a while. Now I would guess that it's not done very often. And on some shards you probably can't even GET enough people to start VvV.
So how about this....you get unique armor or scroll drops, but the second you cross over into Trammel the items crumble to dust?
I actually agree with this completely.
I would just make them unequipped once in tram.
Works for me..as long as the VvV items that are being abused by 90% of people in Tram do the same..unless of course the opt in to worldwide pvp..
Agree with almost everything 100% especially eliminating t2a such a waste of space.
You are correct. I remember the old days when everyone was on 36K modems, and REDs would raid a dungeon - the alarm would go off - some would flee, others would quickly band together to defend even though we knew we were doomed unless the blue PKs (blue players who solely existed to hunt down red PKs and defend the innocent) came in time to help. That was fun, I also would stay and fight red raiders at Champ spawns. What's not fun (if you can sit through another sob story), is recalling into a dungeon, having five players kill me before I could even see who they were, then mock me for being such a lousy player. No my real life feelings aren't hurt, I'm not going to cry, but there is no motivation to play in that environment. What, maybe one day if I get the right items and practice really hard I might be able to beat 5 PvPers in a fight? Not a chance maybe pre-AoS before the game became all about the items. Back then I could take on 3 players and that was a fun challenge. If I died - who cares - the items were nothing special back then, just head back to your house and re-equip. I even tried factions for awhile but didn't see the point and nobody in factions seemed to care who you were or try to involve you. I did make a fortune selling items outside the Yew crypt - thanks PvPers! And nobody killed me cause they knew they would get banned from the store.
