char transfers to siege is it time

[TheScoundrelRico]

I would love to see an example of any Siege player insulting someone for asking a question. You seem to keep bringing that up, yet, not been able to show any evidence of it. Sure it's easy to say, "just scan page one of this forum" but to actually provide a quote seems to be too much to ask.

If someone is blind, showing them a book won't make them see.

Your circular logic won't work here. If you have issues with players "insulting" others for merely asking questions...you should be able to provide at least one example of it...la

 

[Alrich]

What I am speaking about, and this is a common bad habit I seem to have, is about the attitude that most Siege players have. Not all, to be clear. I won't even say most. But the most vocal of the Siege players, and we all know who they are, have a habit of insulting anyone that disagrees with them or asks for information. You can easily scan the first page of this board and see that attitude pretty easily. Just like you can easily see the same sort of behavior from too many Trammel hating Fel players and too many Fel hating Trammel players.

This is so untrue.

The only time you get attitude from siege players is when people who play on prodo try to make really big changes on how our shard works.

Would you want us coming to your shard and going "HEY DELETE TRAMMEL NOW AND IF YOU DONT AGREE STFU"

hell no, we don't do that, why would you do that to us?

Yes we want new players. We want people to start fresh, and build their way up. Everyone starts out with 100 skillpoints and a newbie dagger, and whatever skill starter pieces you get. You have to die, and make friends, and get help, and work your way up. We have a wonderful company of a guild called NEW, which nearly the entire shard donates to and helps out. Free advice, LRC suits, gear, jewelry, scrolls, and a siege form of limited protection for your first month.

Sure, you are probably gonna still get pk'ed as a new. But more then half of those killers will res you after anyway. You take your grey robe, find a healer, and get some new gear from the new house. BFD!

As far as "siege being for those who like to shear sheep" well, you don't have to do that. Nobody is forcing you to. Though if you want quick money, at 400gold per bolt its not too shabby for something that only requires a pair of scissors and a trip to your local town tailorshop.

Also I don't know why people keep saying ROT is hard. Its really not. The mechanic of it however, slows down game progression enough so you aren't lord whatever, legendary mage your first week here. What ROT is, is time consuming (which we have helped out somewhat now, cutting off half a month's time to build a maxxed character provided you get your maximum gains every day).

We want people to come here but if you can't stand building a char (hell make it EXACTLY like your char on whatever shard) then buy an account or something. There's enough out there.

Personally I left catskills and worked my character here. I still have all my stuff there, and it took me about 3 weeks till I decided to move my valuables to the bank, give stuff away and drop my house on cats to build one here. I've logged on maybe a total of 4 times on cats since that, simply to check my characters and whatnot, and that was 8 months ago.

To proposed changes we don't like, yeah we will fight them. We've been here! I for one would not want another country dictating mine how to run their affairs, and this is only a game, but same principle!

To new people coming to the shard, we offer advice, temporary housing solutions, even new houses or places to put them, gold, gear, and a good time meeting everyone on our wonderful shard. Take a look at our forum and find one post from a new person (where they did not be rude and insulting) where we give attitude

 

[D'Amavir]

When someone is complaining about the ruleset on normal shards and ask for changes more like the Siege ruleset, we will try to tell the person about Siege and invite them to come to Siege so they can enjoy UO again.

You on the other hand do have a hate to Siege posters and mainly wish us to get banned. To make that happen, you keep trolling and destroy threads like you are doing with this thread.

Lets get back to topic and allow us to explain why we do not agree with the OP.

I want you to get banned? Where did I say that? I would love for those people that wreck non Siege threads by turning the discussion into nothing more than 'Siege vs Prod Servers' thread to stop doing so. But I never said they should be banned.

 

[D'Amavir]

Your circular logic won't work here. If you have issues with players "insulting" others for merely asking questions...you should be able to provide at least one example of it...la

I gave directions to find all the examples you want. No circular logic there. If you choose not to take the time to find those clear examples, that's your choice. Its obviously not important enough for you to actually read the threads where it happens so why should I bother wasting my time copy and pasting them for you?

 

[D'Amavir]

This is so untrue.

The only time you get attitude from siege players is when people who play on prodo try to make really big changes on how our shard works.

Actually, if you read the threads on this board, you get attitude from siege players anytime someone questions the shard or points out any of its flaws. It seems to be perfectly fine for siege players to point out flaws in prod shards but when prod shard players point out flaws in siege they are labelled as trolls (which is an insult in case someone wanted an example still) and told that they shouldn't be allowed to post their views in response to the posted views of others.

Would you want us coming to your shard and going "HEY DELETE TRAMMEL NOW AND IF YOU DONT AGREE STFU"

Nope. Which is why I said that Trammel hating Fel players and Fel hating Trammel players are just as guilty of this sort of thing as Siege players.

hell no, we don't do that, why would you do that to us?[/quote

First, you might not do that. But many from Siege do go to PROD SHARD based threads and inject Siege into them to take them off track and squash any discussion that might improve prod shards because that would further lessen the population of Siege.

[quoteYes we want new players. We want people to start fresh, and build their way up. Everyone starts out with 100 skillpoints and a newbie dagger, and whatever skill starter pieces you get. You have to die, and make friends, and get help, and work your way up. We have a wonderful company of a guild called NEW, which nearly the entire shard donates to and helps out. Free advice, LRC suits, gear, jewelry, scrolls, and a siege form of limited protection for your first month.

Great! Not sure why you felt the need to mention that since I fully supported the Siege mentality of not allowing people to just pop into Siege fully developed. But, nonetheless, great!

Sure, you are probably gonna still get pk'ed as a new. But more then half of those killers will res you after anyway. You take your grey robe, find a healer, and get some new gear from the new house. BFD!

Anyone that goes to Siege and expects not to be pk'd is just as silly as someone that goes to Fel and expects the same thing. You get no disagreement from me there so I am not sure why you felt the need to add that either.

As far as "siege being for those who like to shear sheep" well, you don't have to do that. Nobody is forcing you to. Though if you want quick money, at 400gold per bolt its not too shabby for something that only requires a pair of scissors and a trip to your local town tailorshop.

Clearly not directed at me so I won't dive into that one.

Also I don't know why people keep saying ROT is hard. Its really not. The mechanic of it however, slows down game progression enough so you aren't lord whatever, legendary mage your first week here. What ROT is, is time consuming (which we have helped out somewhat now, cutting off half a month's time to build a maxxed character provided you get your maximum gains every day).

Never said it was hard so I assume that one is not for me either.

We want people to come here but if you can't stand building a char (hell make it EXACTLY like your char on whatever shard) then buy an account or something. There's enough out there.

I agree.

Personally I left catskills and worked my character here. I still have all my stuff there, and it took me about 3 weeks till I decided to move my valuables to the bank, give stuff away and drop my house on cats to build one here. I've logged on maybe a total of 4 times on cats since that, simply to check my characters and whatnot, and that was 8 months ago.

To proposed changes we don't like, yeah we will fight them. We've been here! I for one would not want another country dictating mine how to run their affairs, and this is only a game, but same principle!

As you should. You have my support on that 100%.

To new people coming to the shard, we offer advice, temporary housing solutions, even new houses or places to put them, gold, gear, and a good time meeting everyone on our wonderful shard. Take a look at our forum and find one post from a new person (where they did not be rude and insulting) where we give attitude

As I said, I don't care how you act on the Siege board, rude or otherwise. But I am glad to hear that you guys are helpful to others there.

 

[Kat]

Sadly that is not true. It actually works out to be 'Do unto to others better than they do onto you and others and just suffer through what they do unto you and others because they have the right to do what they do onto you and others but you don't have the right to speak out against what they do onto you and others.'

As for becoming known as a Siege hating troll, that would be pretty silly considering I far from hate Siege and I only respond to posts that have comments that I either have questions about or disagree with and use my right to post my opinions to counter them. Of course, considering the fact that this world has a thing called favoritism, it usually works out that those that are 'punished' for doing 'wrong' are also the same ones that disagree with those doing the punishing.

I fully expect to be banned from these boards for pointing out the flaws in Siege and pointing out the bad attitudes from certain posters. Just like I fully expect those posters to be able to continue with their bad attitudes as long as they have the ear and support of those that do the bannings. Wouldn't be the first time something like that happened to someone and I imagine it won't be the last.

You might want to take a look into your own flaws first. Gosh, take a look at the number of posts you've made to this thread.. and for what? Nothing.

 

[D'Amavir]

You might want to take a look into your own flaws first. Gosh, take a look at the number of posts you've made to this thread.. and for what? Nothing.

For nothing? Or for responding to people that quoted me, like yourself? Since 90% of my posts are in response to people quoting me and giving their opinions on things I said, I don't see how my responding is not allowed in your mind.

Everyone has flaws, certainly. One of mine is the fact that I feel the need to respond to opinions that I don't agree with by giving opinions of my own. That is a shocking behavior in a board designed to give opinions huh? You might want to direct your rant to those that I respond to since they seem to have escaped your view. Shocking.

To paraphrase Mr Blonde...

If they hadn't of done what I told them not to do I wouldn't have had to do what I did.

 

[TheScoundrelRico]

why should I bother wasting my time copy and pasting them for you?

Because I don't believe your acusations...la

 

[OldAsTheHills]

with ROT being fixed and the possible addition of a second(or more) char slot is it time to open transfers to siege ??

would you be (more) ok with just Characters coming no items ??

This is NEVER going to happen!

If it does, it will be two way character movement and they will have their
items on them and in their bank vault.

I am not in favor of this!

*stares*
Yahaxithonix

 

[D'Amavir]

Because I don't believe your acusations...la

As is your right. Don't ever let reality get in the way of your opinions, ever. I assume you won't be bothering to quote me and made comments directed at me anymore since that would be just trolling on your part. And we wouldn't want that would we?

 

[OldAsTheHills]

but why no ??? what would the harm be ?

The harm is: There would be a disruption of the STATUS QUO!

1. There would be the introduction of items outside the shard, a sort of
intentional dumping of goods just so those players transfer would get gold
easy to play the game. This would cause a shift in economic power and
interplay among the original players before the transfers was allow.

2. It would be easier to create a character off the shard elsewhere and
just transfer to Siege Perilous. This would give the new people a type of
advantage over those who would otherwise struggle creating a character
on the shard. So, people would stop making new characters on Siege Perilous
and start them elsewhere.

3. The developers would NEVER make transfers one way. There would be the
potential of flow out of the shard. This introduces the X-shard trader game
to Siege Perilous, even more than is done now!

4. There is always other unintended consquences that are unseen.

*stares*
Yahaxithonix

 

[OldAsTheHills]

No transferes to or from siege. Siege for the most part is a tight knit community that does not allow scripters or dupers.

I am not for transfers! True enough, Siege Perilous has a tight knit community,
too tight! A this community is corrupt! But, it is my corrupt community,
non-Siege Perilous player will just have to deal with the old fashion way,
build a character from scratch on this shard.
There are scripters and dupers still on Siege Perilous, so your last quotable
is false.

*stares*
Yahaxithonix

 

[OldAsTheHills]

Even more hilarious would be having them plonked down with nothing but a death robe and let them go from there, I can just see it now the naked trammy begging for gold while we all giggle at there leet speek.

For those people who get dry looted by the pkers on Siege Perilous, I suggest
rather than give the pkers any entertainment, you should learn the Begging
skill. Do it away from these players.
You can avoid this by banking half your gold as soon as possible.
Also, do not create your character during the prime time of the shard which
is:9am to Noon EST and 4pm to midnight EST.

*stares*
Yahaxithonix

 

[OldAsTheHills]

In all honesty I would probably xfer over many item bless deeds to siege solely for the enjoyment of seeing rico whine about it for the next ten years straight.

la...

Short term joy leads to long term suffering for those people with those items.

You are ignoring unintended consequences.

As for Rico... I sure he careless!

*stares*
Yahaxithonix

 

[OldAsTheHills]

The only real "vets" in ultima online only play free shards... because that is the right ruleset.

Facts:
1. Siege is the trammiest PvP shard in the game
2. Siege is among the newest shards in UO
3. Siege became complete PvP garbage when AOS introduced an item based game where you cannot insure items
4. PvP diversity on Siege is practically Nill in comparison to prodo shards
5. Practically no one wants to spend a year making a character on a 10+ year old game

You almost went off topic with your post except for part 5.
It does not take a year to make a character on Siege Perilous.
It is more like three months, unless you are playing less than 2 hours a day.

*stares*
Yahaxithonix

 

[OldAsTheHills]

Lets not forget that Siege is home to the trammiest thieves in the game as well. Might as well sign up for easy-mode since there is no passive detect and no limit on what you can steal.

Tamers, Dexxers with one blessed uber weap, limited resists, slow mage fights. Complete newbage shard.

The only thing siege has going for it is there is no trammel and no recalling. That's it.

This is an off topic post.

*stares*
Yahaxithonix

 

[Nexus]

No limit in comparision to prodo shards my stubborn friend. Try playing a thief on a shard with passive detect.

I play a thief on a Prodo Shard and on Siege....I'll tell you this much, I steal more valuable items on Prodo Shards than I do on Siege. Why? Because people on Siege know how to protect against thieves.

 

[OldAsTheHills]

Basically, the Siege community doesn't want anyone to play there without spending months slowly building skills and being the b*tch of all the established players. Then they wonder why their shard is empty.

You may be correct. But, they not really wondering why their shard is empty.
Because it is not that empty. Most of Siege Perilous is hiding from the most
open active pkers. This is not surprising to me or others on the shard.

The Community on Siege Perilous knows why the shard has problems, just like
every community in the real world has problems they know about problems,
but just never do anything to change it. They always seem to think the
developers can change this or that and that will make it better, no way going
to happen!
It is all about interplay behavior. Change the behavior of the players and you
will change the game itself!

*stares*
Yahaxithonix

 

[Draxous]

4. PvP diversity on Siege is practically Nill in comparison to prodo shards

That's the funniest assumption I've ever heard.

There's definitely more variations in PvP on Siege than on prodo shards... I know, because I play both.

You don't obviously, because nothing you said was even close to correct.

 

[OldAsTheHills]

Do you have any idea now cheap scrolls are on Siege? We throw away 110s.

Well, you guys throw away some of those 110's!
I do find them in IDOCs. Yes, the Scrolls are cheaper on SP.

*stares*
Yahaxithonix

 

[FrejaSP]

Well, you guys throw away some of those 110's!
I do find them in IDOCs. Yes, the Scrolls are cheaper on SP.

*stares*
Yahaxithonix

Give them to NEW, NEW is low in scrolls after the summer cleanup where all turned them in.

 

[OldAsTheHills]

I get the no transfering to Siege thing, and I agree with that. But I don't follow the no transfering from Siege thing. Why is that?

And this thread just helps explain why some people don't want to play on Siege. Look at the attitudes that Siege players have about people on other shards. Who wants to play a game with people like that? On top of all the other flaws, the players there are just too much to deal with. No wonder its dead there.

The no transferring from Siege Perilous to elsewhere is the mindset of being
on the Ship of State and having the policy of not allowing that ship to be
abandon by the crew and officers upon Siege Perilous remaining passengers.
Transferring off SP just means that the players have another option instead
of just not playing. Abandonment has no approval from those who remain!

*stares*
Yahaxithonix

 

[OldAsTheHills]

But the most vocal of the Siege players, and we all know who they are, have a habit of insulting anyone that disagrees with them or asks for information.

I would love to see an example of any Siege player insulting someone for asking a question. You seem to keep bringing that up, yet, not been able to show any evidence of it. Sure it's easy to say, "just scan page one of this forum" but to actually provide a quote seems to be too much to ask.

As I have seen it, more times than not, the only people who are "insulted" are those who seem to show up in most Siege threads with continuing unsubstantiated false premises about our shard, it's ruleset or the people who play it...la

Rico your dismissal of the reality of postings is ... no I am not going to say it.
You yourself can on your own time search the length and breath of all the
post on Siege Perilous forum and you will find that D'Amavir is correct!
Some of these posting are hiddeous! I just not sure which of the many postings
would show the lasting picture of personal attacks on this forum.

Let us move on, and leave that sleeping dog of the past alone.

*stares*
Yahaxithonix

 

[OldAsTheHills]

4. PvP diversity on Siege is practically Nill in comparison to prodo shards

That's the funniest assumption I've ever heard.

There's definitely more variations in PvP on Siege than on prodo shards... I know, because I play both.

You don't obviously, because nothing you said was even close to correct.

BR is correct about the variations... people on SP try anything and everything.

*stares*
Yahaxithonix

 

[OldAsTheHills]

Give them to NEW, NEW is low in scrolls after the summer cleanup where all turned them in.

I take a look in the box...

*stares*
Yahaxithonix

 

[Lord_Puffy]

no i dont want characters to be x-fered, we are alset with having dupes... things are fine, thanks but no thanks

 

[Simon Francis]

That's the funniest assumption I've ever heard.

There's definitely more variations in PvP on Siege than on prodo shards... I know, because I play both.

You don't obviously, because nothing you said was even close to correct.

I know you can't honestly believe what you just wrote. I played Siege with OTF for around a year. Most people there were complete garbage and the diversity is FAR greater on Prodo shards. How you can even begin to believe that siege isn't lacking pvp diversity is so idiotic it is right on par with nearly all UOhallers lol.

 

[TheScoundrelRico]

Rico your dismissal of the reality of postings is ... no I am not going to say it.
You yourself can on your own time search the length and breath of all the
post on Siege Perilous forum...

Things get personal between the players on the shard. Not the people who come to the forums to ask questions. Besides, the conversation was more toward posts on this forum, not the Siege forum...la

 

[AEowynSP]

There's definitely more variations in PvP on Siege than on prodo shards

Yes!

I myself a total noob found one of the best Pks on the shard and handed them there ass on a plate. Herding... don't ever underestimate it. You think greater dragons are bad ? Try 50 runebeetles.

 

[Masuri]

Siege is a failed experiment. I'm sorry it failed, but anyone who noticed that Trammel boosted UO's subs initially, knew that it would fail. But when it routinely comes in at the bottom of the US shards, it's pretty obvious that the gamers interested in that kind of playstyle have (long since) left UO. It irritates me when a small number of people left on the shard are resolute against any sort of changes that might make the shard better and open to more people - we all know they just don't want more competition in their sandbox, now that they own it. So just drop those self-righteous attitudes - you know who you are.

 

[kelmo]

Siege is a failed experiment. I'm sorry it failed, but anyone who noticed that Trammel boosted UO's subs initially, knew that it would fail. But when it routinely comes in at the bottom of the US shards, it's pretty obvious that the gamers interested in that kind of playstyle have (long since) left UO. It irritates me when a small number of people left on the shard are resolute against any sort of changes that might make the shard better and open to more people - we all know they just don't want more competition in their sandbox, now that they own it. So just drop those self-righteous attitudes - you know who you are.

Ouch...

But transfer would not make the shard better.

 

[Sheridan]

Part of what made moving to Siege fun for me was the fact that I was starting over as a new character. I got to experience the game very similar to the way I did the very first time I logged into UO

That's exactly the reason I just started up on Siege last night.

 

[kelmo]

*chuckles*

 

[Gwendar-SP]

I get the no transfering to Siege thing, and I agree with that. But I don't follow the no transfering from Siege thing. Why is that?

And this thread just helps explain why some people don't want to play on Siege. Look at the attitudes that Siege players have about people on other shards. Who wants to play a game with people like that? On top of all the other flaws, the players there are just too much to deal with. No wonder its dead there.

Dispite all the crying about RoT it is FAR easier to train on Siege than other shards. If folks could transfer to and from they could get an advanced character on another shard, move to Siege for RoT, them move back.

no crossed eyes from training lockpicking with 200-400 gm boxes. On Siege one can get to legondary smith on about 15k ingots - i hear it takes more like 150k on other shards.

 

[Draxous]

That's the funniest assumption I've ever heard.

There's definitely more variations in PvP on Siege than on prodo shards... I know, because I play both.

You don't obviously, because nothing you said was even close to correct.

I know you can't honestly believe what you just wrote. I played Siege with OTF for around a year. Most people there were complete garbage and the diversity is FAR greater on Prodo shards. How you can even begin to believe that siege isn't lacking pvp diversity is so idiotic it is right on par with nearly all UOhallers lol.

Are you serious?

How do you figure the diversity on prodo is far greater? Look at the classes of characters people play... the diversity is about this ' ' big.

Compare any of the classes... mage, dexers and tamers and there is much more diversity for what is viable in PvP on Siege than on prodo. I seriously can't believe you actually believe the crap you just said. And you say you played Siege for almost a year... as who? There's no way if you played the two... you'd be able to say theres more diversity on other shards.

Look at mages just as an example... on prodo, your either a tank mage or a freaking necro running a -mage 1 hander so they can hold hands wither spaming together... ooooohhh that's diversity!!!

 

[Draxous]

Siege is a failed experiment. I'm sorry it failed, but anyone who noticed that Trammel boosted UO's subs initially, knew that it would fail. But when it routinely comes in at the bottom of the US shards, it's pretty obvious that the gamers interested in that kind of playstyle have (long since) left UO. It irritates me when a small number of people left on the shard are resolute against any sort of changes that might make the shard better and open to more people - we all know they just don't want more competition in their sandbox, now that they own it. So just drop those self-righteous attitudes - you know who you are.

Siege was a very neglected shard. For you to pawn off that it's playstyle was failed for any other reason is not only offensively obtuse, but completely stupid as it shows how little of a clue you actually have about what's happened to that shard.

Nevermind that Siege isn't even on the server list for newly created accounts, so anyone coming back to this game... looking for that Old UO won't even see it there or figure out how to even get to it unless someone tells them.

Nevermind that it's taken years and years to fix game stopping issues and that now that they are fixed... everyone who DIDN'T stick it out, wants to make it easier so they can have a piece of the pie too.

No, that's not right and its your very own self righteous attitude that stops you from giving us competition... not Sieges.

 

[D'Amavir]

Dispite all the crying about RoT it is FAR easier to train on Siege than other shards. If folks could transfer to and from they could get an advanced character on another shard, move to Siege for RoT, them move back.

no crossed eyes from training lockpicking with 200-400 gm boxes. On Siege one can get to legondary smith on about 15k ingots - i hear it takes more like 150k on other shards.

I think this is why people get so confused about Siege. Many people on these boards that are from Siege say that they don't want characters to be able to transfer there because Siege leveling is harder than prod shard leveling is. Others say they don't want transfering from Siege because its easier to level there using RoT. Its very confusing to say the least and it makes it difficult to know which camp to believe and which not.

Not saying that anyone is lying. But the two different concepts seem to be in conflict with each other. As I said before, I get the desire to keep prod shard items and such from Siege and vice versa. But I just get confused about the skill part of it. Is it based on which skill you want to train? Meaning, is it much harder to train magery on Siege but much easier to train lockpicking? If so, I can understand that a little better. But no specifics are usually given beyond the normal 'skills are harder to train here' and 'RoT makes training skills easier here' type responses.

 

[Draxous]

Dispite all the crying about RoT it is FAR easier to train on Siege than other shards. If folks could transfer to and from they could get an advanced character on another shard, move to Siege for RoT, them move back.

no crossed eyes from training lockpicking with 200-400 gm boxes. On Siege one can get to legondary smith on about 15k ingots - i hear it takes more like 150k on other shards.

I think this is why people get so confused about Siege. Many people on these boards that are from Siege say that they don't want characters to be able to transfer there because Siege leveling is harder than prod shard leveling is. Others say they don't want transfering from Siege because its easier to level there using RoT. Its very confusing to say the least and it makes it difficult to know which camp to believe and which not.

Not saying that anyone is lying. But the two different concepts seem to be in conflict with each other. As I said before, I get the desire to keep prod shard items and such from Siege and vice versa. But I just get confused about the skill part of it. Is it based on which skill you want to train? Meaning, is it much harder to train magery on Siege but much easier to train lockpicking? If so, I can understand that a little better. But no specifics are usually given beyond the normal 'skills are harder to train here' and 'RoT makes training skills easier here' type responses.

All skills are not created equal... I think that's where you're getting confused.

Skills that are easy as heck to train on regular shards... become drawn out... think anatomy, meditation, tactics, melee skills and so on...

While on the other hand... skills that are extremely difficult to train on other regular shards... become a lot easier and less costly... think poisoning, lockpicking, animal taming, provoking and so on...

No one is lying per say... you are just getting lost in the details, I suppose.

There is room to take advantage of the system... We are also the very last shard in Ultima Online that has preserved its history... allowing character xfers off of shards was one reason why every other shard has lost theirs to random people scattered across Ultima Online.

Allowing character xfers to Siege wouldn't make Siege better either as part of getting to the end-game on the shard is having to interact with the community or do things the even harder route. Not to mention there is tooo much room for error on EAMythics part... just ONE day where they allowed xfers to Siege and forget to not allow items would open up a whole new can of worms for us... and considering our economy is stable... in fact, the most stable in all of Ultima Online... not good to even thing about.

 

[Lord Drakelord]

Have to say no, but wish they allow us to place smaller Villa sizes houses there, would be nice without losing our main homes.

 

[TheScoundrelRico]

An explaination of RoT.

0-70 Is the same system as on the production shard except for the fact you cannot buy a skill up from skill trainers (so this could be looked at as harder...or at least a little longer to train).

70-120 Is where the confusion comes into play. Because of the RoT system, you can actually gain the skill much easier than the production shards, however the rate at which you get these gains is tremendously slower. So for those wondering if it's harder or easier...the answer is yes, lol. Each point is easier, but due to the fact that you have max gains per day, it's not necessarily harder, but much longer to get to the preferred max skill points.

Instead of being able to get a character up to full skills in a week or less, it takes months. It's during this time that players are actually forced to play in areas that their skills allow, and this actually re-learn the game. Many skills can be trained in town, many players take this time to meet the community or resource gather for some extra gold. With the new quest system, players will use the quests to get gold and items...due to lower skills, they may have to group up to actually get some of the kills that are required. This is the time we vets of the shard see the players learn who is who and show the shard who they are. Without new players going through this time, the shard would become another production shard where people don't know anyone...we want to be different. Is that so bad?...la

 

[Restroom Cowboy]

That's the funniest assumption I've ever heard.

There's definitely more variations in PvP on Siege than on prodo shards... I know, because I play both.

You don't obviously, because nothing you said was even close to correct.

what he says makes PERFECT sense.

with more people comes diversity.
with diversity comes variation.
with variation comes more ways to pvp silly!

so you are entirely wrong...he was correct!

like always you wish to close with *nuh-uh...because I said so* (and i hate to be the bearer of bad news but *nuh-uh...because I said so* only works with children and *special* ppl.)

 

[TheScoundrelRico]

The problem is, on Siege, you have people running around with much more varied templates. It's not a group of players that run the template of the day as it is on the production shards...la

 

[Tek]

Personally I think character transfers were a bad idea all together, it made items that were unique to shards such as event items allow to be transferred away from their original shards.

Siege is still unique that ever character created, every item produced and every reward earned on that shard actually originated on that shard and it should remain that way.

 

[Simon Francis]

You either play on a dead prodo shard black rain or not at all.

There is such a wide variety of possible templetes with insurance it simply is beyond reason to say that siege has even close to half the effective templete options as a prodo shard.

 

[Chad Sexington]

What you call making up I call pointing out. To each his own of course. And feel free to add any points you think I might have missed. Or, just continue the rah rah to get people to come and the insults to keep people away. Sounds like its working perfectly for you. As I said, there is a reason why Siege has a population problem and that reason is easy to find just by reading the posts of Siege players.

So you're saying the number one reason Siege has a low population is because of the attitudes of Siege players?

And you're also saying:

What I am speaking about, and this is a common bad habit I seem to have, is about the attitude that most Siege players have. Not all, to be clear. I won't even say most. But the most vocal of the Siege players, and we all know who they are, have a habit of insulting anyone that disagrees with them or asks for information. You can easily scan the first page of this board and see that attitude pretty easily.

So a small vocal minority of the Stratics Siege players which represent a small minority of actual Siege players of a very low population shard have attitudes... and that's the number one reason Siege has a small population?

You're reaching.

If someone is blind, showing them a book won't make them see.

I'd explain further, but you can look for more the evidence in this thread. If you don't want to look for it yourself, you're blind...?

1) If you don't want to look for the evidence, you're just proving that I'm right.
2) If you look and don't find it, you're blind.
3) If you look and find it, I'm right and you just proved that I'm right.

That's not a very strong position.

 

[D'Amavir]

So you're saying the number one reason Siege has a low population is because of the attitudes of Siege players?

Reread what you quoted. I said A reason, not THE reason nor THE NUMBER ONE reason. A REASON. But, nice try anyway.

Example +3.

And you're also saying:



So a small vocal minority of the Stratics Siege players which represent a small minority of actual Siege players of a very low population shard have attitudes... and that's the number one reason Siege has a small population?

You're reaching.

See above re: rereading what you quoted.

I'd explain further, but you can look for more the evidence in this thread. If you don't want to look for it yourself, you're blind...?

Actually, that should be 'if you can't see it already from what you have supposedly read you are blind'. But, again, don't let the actual words used get in the way of you making up meanings to them.

1) If you don't want to look for the evidence, you're just proving that I'm right.

I could care less if anyone looked for the evidence, nor did I care enough to post examples that were quite clear already in this thread and others.

2) If you look and don't find it, you're blind.

No. But keep making stuff up. I won't mind.

3) If you look and find it, I'm right and you just proved that I'm right.

Anyone that read the threads that were discussed can easily see examples. Heck, anyone reading your last post right here can see the example.

Example +4. Good job.

That's not a very strong position.

That depends on if you mean the position I have or the position you made up for me to supposedly have. Big difference between the two but don't worry if you don't get it. I really didn't expect you to. Now, since you had your say and I had mine, why don't you move along and stop trolling before even more threads have to be removed from this board today.

 

[Draxous]

You either play on a dead prodo shard black rain or not at all.

There is such a wide variety of possible templetes with insurance it simply is beyond reason to say that siege has even close to half the effective templete options as a prodo shard.

I play atlantic... and really?

Then why is everyone and their brother, mother and sister a necro mage with the cookie cutter suit (folded steel, aof, crystalline, inquis, orny, -mage 1 hander) or a freaking archer? Oh yeah... let me throw in the bok/ride swipe dismount dexer riding a cu sidhe here and there too.... my bad, I think I left out a handful of tank mages and the occasional sammy dexer.

Sure, with all the items and insurance you can come up with some pretty wacky templates... that are not viable. Your nuts if you think people on prodo don't go for the gimpy gold 99.99999999999999% of the time for that 'competitive edge.'

On Siege, I can run a scribe mage, a parry mage, a detect mage, hell... any type of mage I want and be effective... why? Because the shard has this one little thing I like to call balance. Our players aren't surpassing the draw backs of playing a necro mage by running uber suits with 1 handers... we actually have to deal with the high expenses and 2 handers required in order to run a necro mage properly.

and that's just mages... want me to tackle the other classes next?

 

[Draxous]

That's the funniest assumption I've ever heard.

There's definitely more variations in PvP on Siege than on prodo shards... I know, because I play both.

You don't obviously, because nothing you said was even close to correct.

what he says makes PERFECT sense.

with more people comes diversity.
with diversity comes variation.
with variation comes more ways to pvp silly!

so you are entirely wrong...he was correct!

like always you wish to close with *nuh-uh...because I said so* (and i hate to be the bearer of bad news but *nuh-uh...because I said so* only works with children and *special* ppl.)

Try reading the whole thread.

Like always you come at me with completely made-up non-sense. Is it just about time to expect the 50 pm's from you crying about how ridiculous I've made you look? Oh, whats it this time...? Are you going to accuse me of being someone I'm not so your argument actually makes an ounce of sense?

Oh oh I get it... you're not going to read the whole thread and just say the cool dood catch phrase *nuh-uh... because I said so* a few more times hoping it finally catches on.

I've got a catch phrase too.

You love my style!

 

[Demonous]

I would be for it,if they also allow transfer off siege, I have 2 characters there I would like to get off that empty, and broken ruleset shard.

if it were up to me, every shard would have the siege ruleset

 

[Simon Francis]

Balance? LOLOL. Siege is the most UN-balanced shard in UO PvP wise.

Dexxers with their one uber blessed weapon, hordes of tamers whose pets do even more damage cuz most of the suits/mods suck so bad.

You are out of your mind...

Just because there might be more people using -mage weapons and archers on prodo shards doesn't mean it doesn't have much greater diversity too. Remember siege is a dead shard that people only know about because players there post on these boards 10x a day with "Save my dead shard" posts.