NO!
For all the reasons already posited, but PLEASE let me have a house on Siege as welll as my regular shard. (I dont care how small it is, but a 7x7 plot that I can call "mine" would get me to spend far more time there)
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char transfers to siege is it time
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NO!
For all the reasons already posited, but PLEASE let me have a house on Siege as welll as my regular shard. (I dont care how small it is, but a 7x7 plot that I can call "mine" would get me to spend far more time there)
You also gain admirers!
Keep up the comics and I will keep my pack stocked with things you might want.
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No.
Bad enough that it would allow people to quickly train up a character, but ALSO give them the ability to XFer items over to Siege?
This has disaster written all over it.
The XFer system is bad enough on its own... we don't need to expand it.
No.
Bad enough that it would allow people to quickly train up a character, but ALSO give them the ability to XFer items over to Siege?
This has disaster written all over it.
The XFer system is bad enough on its own... we don't need to expand it.
You need to take that attitude and ....Ummm Censored!
I spend hours helping new players.
In fact Siege has a guild dedicatied to helping new players.
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D'Amavir
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I get the no transfering to Siege thing, and I agree with that. But I don't follow the no transfering from Siege thing. Why is that?
And this thread just helps explain why some people don't want to play on Siege. Look at the attitudes that Siege players have about people on other shards. Who wants to play a game with people like that? On top of all the other flaws, the players there are just too much to deal with. No wonder its dead there.
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D'Amavir
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To use a tactic so prevelant on these boards, read the thread. If you don't see a specific attitude from Siege players on this thread and many others then I don't know how showing the posts to you again would help.
And, per the norm, I see you chose not to attempt to answer the question either.
That's because I agree with you about transferring out. Except for maybe some rare collectors, I don't see any problem with it.
When you say something like this:
You're directing that towards people who've already said they are against this in this thread. I deleted that from my quote because I never said I was against it. I left it for those people to respond.
When you're talking about attitude, it's best to point something out and elaborate. It isn't just a data point you can point to and confirm.
I'm not sure what you mean by "per the norm." Unless you're trying to be intentionally vague about that statement and the statement about attitudes.
You ask a question, get a response asking for you to elaborate, and you don't. You ask a question to a few people in the thread and start accusing other people of dodging a question the question wasn't even directed towards. And some how it's now part of the norm.
It sounds like to me that you're just trying to pick a fight where there is none.
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Do you have any idea now cheap scrolls are on Siege? We throw away 110s.
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I have always thought that rare should be restricted to the shard they were found on. Moving them back and forth between shards just takes away a lot of the uniqueness about each shard to me.
As for per the norm, it seems to be a habit from people on these boards to refuse to answer any questions directed at them and instead just quote other parts of a post to use to stir things up.
Not pointing the finger at you directly. Just, as I said, that seems to be the norm. You did answer the question yourself. But, I highly doubt that anyone that tosses out the 'no transfers from Siege' comments will do the same. Unless of course they do so now just so they can sit back with 'I showed him' looks on their faces. I wouldn't mind that at all. I just wanted to better understand the transfers from Siege opposition.
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No. Play Siege or do not. It is your choice.
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So do most people on my shard. Not sure what that has to do with anything though. Do you mean that you are opposed to transfering off of Siege because people would use that to their advantage to move cheap scrolls from your shard to another? I can understand that if so.
As with my 'rares tied to their home shard' beliefs, I am also opposed to being able to move things like skill and stat scrolls between shards. Some shards just have an easier time gathering scrolls than others. So someone could make a killing buying low and selling high in that regard. Bad for the economy all around.
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Character transfer, insurance, multiple characters are all bad ideas for Siege. Play Siege or do not. There is no way to make your shard more Siege like. That bridge has burned.
We got the personal bless deed dealt with. Some things you can not ever take back. *nods* Every one is level there.
We got most of the blessed items dealt with. *smiles*
We got addressing RoT to reflect the changes over the years. *tips hat to the devs*
Play Siege or do not.
*folds arms*
We got the personal bless deed dealt with. Some things you can not ever take back. *nods* Every one is level there.
We got most of the blessed items dealt with. *smiles*
We got addressing RoT to reflect the changes over the years. *tips hat to the devs*
Play Siege or do not.
*folds arms*
Part of what made moving to Siege fun for me was the fact that I was starting over as a new character. I got to experience the game very similar to the way I did the very first time I logged into UO!
Those who would love Siege.. will understand that and those who don't belong, won't get it at all.
Three years and counting! Siege is the best fun I've ever had in game.
No to char xfers.
Those who would love Siege.. will understand that and those who don't belong, won't get it at all.
Three years and counting! Siege is the best fun I've ever had in game.
No to char xfers.
We don't want you to leave and we don't want items to leave Siege.
Siege is a different game than other shards, you can't mix it.
Just take our Armslore bonus, it's 8% vs 5% on normal shards.
Also out Evil/Hero dryed items are Siege only.
Some skills are easier on Siege and cost less.
Want to play Siege? Make a char here and accept that char will never ever leave Siege.
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Arnie QuickPalm
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yet everone votes to add the second char slot why siege is siege is siege you say except when its not i just dont get it.
i want to bring my main to siege because he is who i am is not kelmo(not sure if it is ) who you are ?? i am willing to lose all items everything deleted from my character i am even willing to take a stat/skill loss for how ever long the siege community decides i should work to be a part of it but why cant i be me
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With items you would destroy the shard market. Without would be marginally better but it would be nothing more than a pay to cheat method to work around the skill training rules.
I have trained my char on siege with the hard ROT rules, and while I can understand that a faster skill gain rate is useful to attract new players, I would hate to see people with scripted two-days maxed characters pouring like rain. Siege is about starting as a noobie again and then gain your place. If you don't think like that you are probably not material for siege.
EDIT: Also, characters SCROLLED from prodos should never be admitted in siege, for obvious reasons (it's like bringing items). If you are willing to lose every power scroll you ate and get a penalty that sets all your skill no higher than 70, I have nothing against transfer to siege, but then again, why not just creating a char with same name and appearence?
No
But then I think character transfer was a bad idea to begin with.
Fine for someone who accidentally started on the wrong shard through not understanding about ping times.
Fine for people who started on American shards before there were any closer to their homes.
I don't believe they were ever meant for the purpose they're used for now. If it were up to me I'd give everyone a month to get back to the shard they call 'home' and then switch the service off, permanently.
Anyone finding themselves in the situation of starting on the wrong shard by accident should be able to petition for their characters to be moved, with belongings, once, and once only.
So you hold me in the Siege prison now ...
I came to Siege long ago together with a good ingame friend. Since that time the friend left, and due to time zone differences I am often relatively alone on the shard.
So I would happily leave Siege, if I could take my account bound Soulstone gallery, the Vet rewards, the roses, the gold and the one or other item collected over the time with me.
Maybe Siege only items like the shroud of spookiness would have to be added to the "no leave" list (or being "washed" from their hero/evil colors), maybe the character age for a char leaving Siege should matter to avoid such ways like using ROT to gain certain skills fast and leave immediatly.
*Salute*
Olahorand
Yep Olahorand, you are trapped on the devil island known as Siege Perilous
I don't play Siege, but I certainly respect the current residents wishes to not allow transfers.
Personally, if a player was serious about joining Siege and becoming apart of their community, I think it would be in their best interest to start from the beginning, and enjoy the journey with new friends and enemies.
Personally, if a player was serious about joining Siege and becoming apart of their community, I think it would be in their best interest to start from the beginning, and enjoy the journey with new friends and enemies.
With all due respect, Olahorand... When I came to Siege, I left all my goodies behind on my "home" shard. I have a new place to call home now and have accumulated a nice wealth of items and soulstones over the past 3 years and have never given much thought to what I left behind. If I want.. they are still available to me.
Yeah, damn us for wanting to protect the idea behind Siege. Damn us for wanting to our shard free of scammers and kiddies. Yeah, damn us for not wanting Siege to just become another production shard...la
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D'Amavir
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Not at all. You are welcome to beg people to come to Siege and then insult anyone that asks questions about it or has any ideas you don't agree with. You are doing a good job of protecting Siege now. You are ensuring that no one wants to go there and deal with people like you. Good job!
And yet, more and more people keep showing up...la
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D'Amavir
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Good! Maybe the begging with finally stop. I am really glad for that at least. Besides, people move to crappy neighborhoods all the time. They are still crappy neighborhoods though. Crappy neighbors and all.
So, let's sum up the Siege mentality from the last couple of rah rah threads from Siege players.
1a. Siege players want more people to play Siege because the population is too small
1b. Many people are moving to Siege so it doesn't have a population problem.
1c. Anyone outside of Siege that tries to learn more about Siege is insulted for asking questions about Siege.
2a. RoT makes skill gaining much much easier so people can move here and level quickly.
2b. Siege players don't want character transfers to Siege because Siege is the veteran shard and its much much harder for characters to level here than anywhere else and Siege players don't want new characters there to be able to level quickly.
3a. Siege players don't want scrolled out characters allowed to transfer to Siege because its harder to get those scrolls on Siege than on production shards.
3b. Siege players don't want characters allowed to transfer off of Siege because scrolls on Siege are so much cheaper than on prod shards to the point where people throw 110's away.
Now, did I miss any of the main points? No, I didn't think so. Carry on. As will I.
Yeah, you've missed quite a bit, and you have made up a bunch of stuff...la
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D'Amavir
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What you call making up I call pointing out. To each his own of course. And feel free to add any points you think I might have missed. Or, just continue the rah rah to get people to come and the insults to keep people away. Sounds like its working perfectly for you. As I said, there is a reason why Siege has a population problem and that reason is easy to find just by reading the posts of Siege players.
As someone who just joined siege last night I vote no, of course I could if the transfers were enabled move an enormous amount of wealth from Atlantic. However I can see how that happening on a massive scale would completely destroy the shard.
I mean where do you draw the line? do you add another character slot?, they changed the ROT system to be more beneficial to new players, do you add shard transfers? and before long who knows what people will try to push through.
Personally I don't want to see siege become another ruined production shard, I am looking forward to working my crafter from the ground up and getting involved in the community, because to me community in a game is the most important thing there is.
I don't speak for anyone else but myself, but I never want to see scrolled out characters with duped items become a regular part of the shard.
I mean where do you draw the line? do you add another character slot?, they changed the ROT system to be more beneficial to new players, do you add shard transfers? and before long who knows what people will try to push through.
Personally I don't want to see siege become another ruined production shard, I am looking forward to working my crafter from the ground up and getting involved in the community, because to me community in a game is the most important thing there is.
I don't speak for anyone else but myself, but I never want to see scrolled out characters with duped items become a regular part of the shard.
LOL, yes, because we all know these supposed insults have been brought up time after time by different posters as to why they haven't moved to Siege...la
Ok D'Amavir,
I respect you but I have to put my foot down on something you keep pushing.
For starters, we as a community discuss any ideas or proposals to change our shard before anyone lends that idea public support. Anyone who thinks they can push a topic, idea or proposal for our shard without discussing it with us... is asking to be shot down, immediately. (and fyi, we don't discuss things on UHall...) And why you would expect anything else? I have no clue.
Second. Asking questions is fine... ask away and we will do our best to answer. I somehow doubt that asking questions is any part of the issue in this thread... but more or less the rigidness of our community against new ideas that haven't been internally discussed and/or voted on... It's like coming into someone elses house and rearranging their furniture... you just don't do that. You can suggest, hey... "that would look cool there"... you get the point.
Finally... what clinches the no to this idea, before any of us are even willing to discuss it:
a key component to the dupes that have plagued all of the other shards in this game is character xfers...
So the answer to this whole thread is unequivocally, for the time being... no.
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I agree, no transfers to siege! I have a char there that iv been "trying" to work on, if transfers where alowwed then all my hard work has gone to waste
Even although hes only at something like 50 in each skill atm lolol
Even although hes only at something like 50 in each skill atm lolol
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D'Amavir
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I have said from the start that I agree with the mindset that Siege players have in regards to not allowing transfers to Siege. And I even supported the no transfering from Siege mindset when things like Siege specific items and such were given as the reason.
What I am speaking about, and this is a common bad habit I seem to have, is about the attitude that most Siege players have. Not all, to be clear. I won't even say most. But the most vocal of the Siege players, and we all know who they are, have a habit of insulting anyone that disagrees with them or asks for information. You can easily scan the first page of this board and see that attitude pretty easily. Just like you can easily see the same sort of behavior from too many Trammel hating Fel players and too many Fel hating Trammel players.
Going to just about every thread designed to create a discussion around improvement of anything on a prod shard and adding nothing except 'Come to Siege' is not helpful to that discussion. Sure, its Siege players' right to try to advertise their shard and get more players there. But there comes a point that some people want to actually be able to discuss non Siege shard issues instead of having to have every thread of that type turn into a Siege thread.
As I said, I feel the same exact thing about Fel players that come and wreck Trammel threads and Trammel players that come and wreck Fel threads. Some people want to actually discuss issues. And they look for these boards to accomplish that discussion. But, as we have seen, most threads turn into one side ranting against the other with no real discussion taking place.
Am I just as guilty as others? You bet. But, sometimes frustration with the actions of others causes people to do things that they know isn't 100% the right things to do.
I would love to see an example of any Siege player insulting someone for asking a question. You seem to keep bringing that up, yet, not been able to show any evidence of it. Sure it's easy to say, "just scan page one of this forum" but to actually provide a quote seems to be too much to ask.
As I have seen it, more times than not, the only people who are "insulted" are those who seem to show up in most Siege threads with continuing unsubstantiated false premises about our shard, it's ruleset or the people who play it...la
D'Amavir - Have you ever heard the term "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you"? I have noticed a bit of a trend of some posters targeting certain other posters that like to post the way you described above in regard to just about any prefered gameplay.. whether its Siege, Trammel or Fel. Please avoid becoming known as a Siege hating troll.
Returning the favor only insures that the same will continue. It doesn't resolve anything.
Returning the favor only insures that the same will continue. It doesn't resolve anything.
About the attitude of Siege players. Go to Siege forum, look up posts from new Siege players who ask for advices. You will see, they are welcome and all including the PK's will be ready with advices.
Only case where that changes are when a player complain about the risk for getting killed on his newbie char.
When you see us
ideas, that will hurt our shards, it's just because we get annoyed when someone who can't handle Siege want push changes the Siege community don't want.
We don't want the balance on our shard destroyed.
Only case where that changes are when a player complain about the risk for getting killed on his newbie char.
When you see us
ideas, that will hurt our shards, it's just because we get annoyed when someone who can't handle Siege want push changes the Siege community don't want.We don't want the balance on our shard destroyed.
Also the thing people will notice when viewing the siege forum, the only time people have issues, it's 99.99% of the time, rival guilds complaining about the game play of other guilds or individual players. When the UO discussion starts, it is, for the most part, civil...go figure...la
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Sadly that is not true. It actually works out to be 'Do unto to others better than they do onto you and others and just suffer through what they do unto you and others because they have the right to do what they do onto you and others but you don't have the right to speak out against what they do onto you and others.'
As for becoming known as a Siege hating troll, that would be pretty silly considering I far from hate Siege and I only respond to posts that have comments that I either have questions about or disagree with and use my right to post my opinions to counter them. Of course, considering the fact that this world has a thing called favoritism, it usually works out that those that are 'punished' for doing 'wrong' are also the same ones that disagree with those doing the punishing.
I fully expect to be banned from these boards for pointing out the flaws in Siege and pointing out the bad attitudes from certain posters. Just like I fully expect those posters to be able to continue with their bad attitudes as long as they have the ear and support of those that do the bannings. Wouldn't be the first time something like that happened to someone and I imagine it won't be the last.
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D'Amavir
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I don't read the Siege forum. You can fight and argue and rah rah Siege all you want there and you will never hear a peep from me. But when you try to wreck every single thread on UHall designed to promote discussion about any issue with a prod shard by spamming the typical 'Come to Siege' comment then you will see me pop up to counter that spam.
Are you saying, that all your trolling are done because you hope someone will get so annoyed so they break the ROC and get them self banned from here.
Shame on you
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About the attitude of Siege players. Go to Siege forum, look up posts from new Siege players who ask for advices. You will see, they are welcome and all including the PK's will be ready with advices.
Only case where that changes are when a player complain about the risk for getting killed on his newbie char.
When you see us
We don't want the balance on our shard destroyed.
Again, I have zero problem with anything you post on the Siege forums. And I support everyone's right to promote their shard, their playstyle, their items or any other viewpoint.I also support anyone's right to speak out against any idea that they disagree with. What I am against is the common occurrence that some Siege posters have (On UHall) of being insulting to non Siege players and to try to wreck any prod shard discussion thread with 'Come to Siege' spam.
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D'Amavir
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How you read anything about the above comment from what I said I don't know. I post to give my opinions just like you do. And just like others do. Am I the only one not allowed to give my opinion? Is that what YOU are saying?Are you saying, that all your trolling are done because you hope someone will get so annoyed so they break the ROC and get them self banned from here.
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If someone is blind, showing them a book won't make them see.
So, by including a different perspective or a different solution to a premise is somehow spamming now? Sure, there are a lot of posts by Siege players that will have a Siege spin to them, that doesn't make them spam. They are usually providing solutions to some problems players from production shards have.
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The "I hate insurance" post.
The "Felucca on my production shard is dead" post.
The "I hate how scripters are ruining my shards economy" post.
The "I hate Trammel" post.
You get the point. There are a lot of issues that can be resolved by a player moving to Siege. Sure our player base would love to see more people on the shard, but at the same time, most of us have left production shards for these reasons, and wish to share the benifits we have seen to some players who may not be aware of them. You forget that not everyone who reads these forums actually posts to them, so if we happen to mention..."come to Siege"...it's not for just those posting in the thread. Heck, we still get questions from players asking why they can't find Siege in their shard listing when they log in...la
ex:
The "I hate insurance" post.
The "Felucca on my production shard is dead" post.
The "I hate how scripters are ruining my shards economy" post.
The "I hate Trammel" post.
You get the point. There are a lot of issues that can be resolved by a player moving to Siege. Sure our player base would love to see more people on the shard, but at the same time, most of us have left production shards for these reasons, and wish to share the benifits we have seen to some players who may not be aware of them. You forget that not everyone who reads these forums actually posts to them, so if we happen to mention..."come to Siege"...it's not for just those posting in the thread. Heck, we still get questions from players asking why they can't find Siege in their shard listing when they log in...la
When someone is complaining about the ruleset on normal shards and ask for changes more like the Siege ruleset, we will try to tell the person about Siege and invite them to come to Siege so they can enjoy UO again.
You on the other hand do have a hate to Siege posters and mainly wish us to get banned. To make that happen, you keep trolling and destroy threads like you are doing with this thread.
Lets get back to topic and allow us to explain why we do not agree with the OP.
To the other Siege Players, special Rico, lets ignore him unless he stay on topic.