char transfers to siege is it time

[Arnie QuickPalm]

with ROT being fixed and the possible addition of a second(or more) char slot is it time to open transfers to siege ??

would you be (more) ok with just Characters coming no items ??

 

[TheScoundrelRico]

Nope, and it should never be. No transfer to, or from Siege...la

 

[Kurgan]

Nope, and I hope it never will....

 

[blerick]

I would be for it,if they also allow transfer off siege, I have 2 characters there I would like to get off that empty, and broken ruleset shard.

 

[FrejaSP]

Nope, no char transfers to or from Siege

 

[Arnie QuickPalm]

Nope, no char transfers to or from Siege

but why no ??? what would the harm be ?

 

[TheScoundrelRico]

Siege is unique in that way, if people can just transfer on and off the shard (even if it's without any items), the shard would change for the worse in the minds of most Siege veterans. The time it takes a player to train up their skills, is the time, most players learn how to actually play in our ruleset. It's the time that players get to meet the community. If people just jumped on and off, that aspect would be lost...forever...la

 

[Omnius]

rico, that ignores the fact that many siege veterans leveled their basic skills long ago when skill gain and stat gain were easier.

 

[TheScoundrelRico]

rico, that ignores the fact that many siege veterans leveled their basic skills long ago when skill gain and stat gain were easier.

It may ignore the fact, but those same Siege vets also put their time in training...here on Siege, not some other shard where skills can be gained in a few days. Skills do take longer on Siege...that helps keep the kiddies and the riff raff off the shard for the most part. Same goes for the scripters (for the most part) and the dupers.

Thanks but no thanks, let them keep blowing up the economies on the production shards, and let us keep Siege as a player run economy...la

 

[Ailish]

It doesn't matter. They did it ON Siege. With x-fers you would see what you see now on other shards. Whole guilds rolling in to do as much damage to the shard as they could, then leaving. Siege people are dedicated to their shard - dedicated enough to be willing to only have one char, and to never be able to leave.

Transfers would be a very poor choice for them.

 

[love2winalot]

No. Why No? Because it would not be fair to those who are already there, no matter how long they have been there. The Player that made a charater there last year, and has slowly grinded his skill up, and built up his bank account a few hundred gold coins at a time, and could finially place a 8x8 if he wanted to, would, would not have done it this way if he had know, "Just wait 90 days, and transfer over".

I do think having a house on Siege should not condem a house on a production shard, and should have to be auto refreshed once a week. I agree with a second charater slot, "No more than that though". But NO Transfers.

 

[Nexus]

No. Why No? Because it would not be fair to those who are already there, no matter how long they have been there. The Player that made a charater there last year, and has slowly grinded his skill up, and built up his bank account a few hundred gold coins at a time, and could finially place a 8x8 if he wanted to, would, would not have done it this way if he had know, "Just wait 90 days, and transfer over".

I do think having a house on Siege should not condem a house on a production shard, and should have to be auto refreshed once a week. I agree with a second charater slot, "No more than that though". But NO Transfers.

Yeah but you gotta admit it would be funny watching them spend the first month or so altering their template because prodo PvP templates aren't the same as those on Siege, thanks to lack of item dependency.

 

[Arnie QuickPalm]

Now you all sound crazy with the changes to ROT (changes that you asked for) the time to train is less you all are voting to add another char slot so that little piece that makes siege siege will be gone soon its like you want folks to come yet you dont.

i dont see a deployment of (insert zerg guild from your shard here) happening even if it could they would never bring all thier high priced items to lose with no insurance

what if the transfers where one way only ??

 

[Corrupted Goblin]

No transferes to or from siege. Siege for the most part is a tight knit community that does not allow scripters or dupers.

 

[FrejaSP]

rico, that ignores the fact that many siege veterans leveled their basic skills long ago when skill gain and stat gain were easier.

There was only a short time where skill gain was easier on Siege.
Siege was born with RoT where you had to wait upto an hour between gains.

Except for the short time with PH, skill gain had never been faster on Siege than now

 

[AEowynSP]

Even more hilarious would be having them plonked down with nothing but a death robe and let them go from there, I can just see it now the naked trammy begging for gold while we all giggle at there leet speek.

 

[FrejaSP]

No. Why No? Because it would not be fair to those who are already there, no matter how long they have been there.

That's not the reason for a no, the reason is, we want to teach you a little about Siege before you start killing. If you can't handle dying, we don't really want you to stay long enough to be able to PK.

I do think having a house on Siege should not condem a house on a production shard, and should have to be auto refreshed once a week. I agree with a second charater slot, "No more than that though". But NO Transfers.

I could accept a small house that have to be refreshed once each 2 weeks

 

[Arnie QuickPalm]

That's not the reason for a no, the reason is, we want to teach you a little about Siege

This is the mentality i dont understand you want to invite people into your home but it must be on your terms you think we need to be taught something
i want to come and feel as a welcome guest not your student but as an equal.

 

[Idahoan]

Creating & Trainning characters on Siege is what makes Siege - Siege!

Yes it takes time, but that is part of the experience.

No to transfers to Siege. Off Siege.....hmmmm

 

[kelmo]

No.

 

[Simon Francis]

In all honesty I would probably xfer over many item bless deeds to siege solely for the enjoyment of seeing rico whine about it for the next ten years straight.

la...

 

[Kith Kanan]

It may ignore the fact, but those same Siege vets also put their time in training...here on Siege, not some other shard where skills can be gained in a few days. Skills do take longer on Siege...that helps keep the kiddies and the riff raff off the shard for the most part. Same goes for the scripters (for the most part) and the dupers.

Thanks but no thanks, let them keep blowing up the economies on the production shards, and let us keep Siege as a player run economy...la

But its cool for you to want to ruin the production shards ???
But I have to agree to xfer to siege , but for good sake let the peopel who want to leave siege do so ...... Or maybe your afreid you would then only be stealing from yourself

And tbh ROFL at the siege mentality that makes them think they are some how tougher... I've played sige years back , its not harder , you just waste so much much time doing useless stuff , but hey some peopel think its uber fun collecting wool.... I'm not one of them

Taking more time to do the same thing does not equal tougher , it equals waste of time and getting borred !!!!!

 

[Oriana]

I don't even play Siege and think this should never happen. Siege is unique and should be left that way.

Oriana

 

[Alrich]

hell no to transfers naked or not.

You know how often we get prodoshard bigshot wannabes here? Then deaths later and suddenly they aren't so loud anymore and end up trading all their stuff for gear and gold on a prodo shard.

Thats the typical account buyer whos never played siege before.

Starting fresh on siege only and forever.
1) Lets you meet the community. Make friends, create alliances and find a guild
2) To many its also refreshing not to GM swords on day 1 and be able to do everything right away
3) All the xfer dupes and 58423985 valorite hammers on atlantic and other prodos, we do not want that here.

There have been entire guilds to move to siege and all rolled fresh. But when they realize pvp is a little different cuz they cant afford to wear the all 70s/lmc 40/mr10/di100 suit with 2/6 casting and +50 mana/sta without losing millions when they get ganked off a crying they go.


Yes siege wants more players. But players who will fall in love with siege, not be wanting to hop all around, change servers for new targets and guilds. Its unique here, and much more tight knit. Even the pks who everyone hates, this server would not be the same without them.

 

[TheScoundrelRico]

And tbh ROFL at the siege mentality that makes them think they are some how tougher... I've played sige years back , its not harder , you just waste so much much time doing useless stuff , but hey some peopel think its uber fun collecting wool.... I'm not one of them

Taking more time to do the same thing does not equal tougher , it equals waste of time and getting borred !!!!!

Don't worry, not everyone can cut it on Siege. That's why there are so many production shards...la

 

[Kith Kanan]

Don't worry, not everyone can cut it on Siege. That's why there are so many production shards...la

ROFL , you meen not everybody want to waste that much time for nada

But its a good shard if you got nothing but time , collecting wool , and flax and regs of the ground..... stuff like that makes me feel tough , hardcore and.... makes me want to shoot myself )

 

[Simon Francis]

Don't worry, not everyone can cut it on Siege. That's why there are so many production shards...la

The only real "vets" in ultima online only play free shards... because that is the right ruleset.

Facts:
1. Siege is the trammiest PvP shard in the game
2. Siege is among the newest shards in UO
3. Siege became complete PvP garbage when AOS introduced an item based game where you cannot insure items
4. PvP diversity on Siege is practically Nill in comparison to prodo shards
5. Practically no one wants to spend a year making a character on a 10+ year old game

 

[TheScoundrelRico]

Facts:
1. Siege is the trammiest PvP shard in the game - false
2. Siege is among the newest shards in UO - true
3. Siege became complete PvP garbage when AOS introduced an item based game where you cannot insure items - false
4. PvP diversity on Siege is practically Nill in comparison to prodo shards - false
5. Practically no one wants to spend a year making a character on a 10+ year old game - false

1 out of 5 ain't bad...la

 

[Setnaffa]

Nope. No transfers to Siege. Siege is meant for veteran players that want the extra challenges afforded to them there. Allowing anyone to move a fully built character over to Siege would destroy it.

 

[Simon Francis]

Lets not forget that Siege is home to the trammiest thieves in the game as well. Might as well sign up for easy-mode since there is no passive detect and no limit on what you can steal.

Tamers, Dexxers with one blessed uber weap, limited resists, slow mage fights. Complete newbage shard.

The only thing siege has going for it is there is no trammel and no recalling. That's it.

 

[Wenchkin]

with ROT being fixed and the possible addition of a second(or more) char slot is it time to open transfers to siege ??

would you be (more) ok with just Characters coming no items ??

No.

What would be the point of a ROT skill gain system if it could be circumvented by transferring a character? Not to mention that characters on production shards can get themselves scrolled out too. One of the main features of Siege is that it's an advanced shard, skipping onto Siege with fully trained scrolled characters goes against that philosophy - you could train a char safely in Tram, hop to Siege then players who trained on Siege with all the additional risks have to compete with your character. Much as I think you'd be retraining some skills to fit in with Siege, I think you're asking for an unfair advantage.

I'm not able to spend much time on Siege with my newbie, but it's been years since I started fresh on a shard and I want to see what sort of kit and templates are playing around me before I commit to my own skills. It's fun being a newbie again. Yes, it'll be a while before my char is trained, but there's more to playing UO than having a maxed out character.

Wenchy

 

[TheScoundrelRico]

Might as well sign up for easy-mode since there is ...no limit on what you can steal.

Really? How long have you played a thief on Siege to be able to make this claim? There are plenty of things that can't be stolen. Heck, I've posted different items on numerous occassions to point out certain things can't but should be stealable...la

 

[Radun]

Siege became complete PvP garbage when AOS introduced an item based game where you cannot insure items

QFT

Siege wasn't always the empty dead shard that it is now.

 

[Simon Francis]

Really? How long have you played a thief on Siege to be able to make this claim? There are plenty of things that can't be stolen. Heck, I've posted different items on numerous occassions to point out certain things can't but should be stealable...la

No limit in comparision to prodo shards my stubborn friend. Try playing a thief on a shard with passive detect.

 

[TheScoundrelRico]

Really? How long have you played a thief on Siege to be able to make this claim? There are plenty of things that can't be stolen. Heck, I've posted different items on numerous occassions to point out certain things can't but should be stealable...la

No limit in comparision to prodo shards my stubborn friend. Try playing a thief on a shard with passive detect.

Why? So I can open a pack and find it full with 100 items all of which are bless, insured or not worth the time for the owner to chase if stolen from? Been there, done that. Left for Siege...thanks for the invite though...la

 

[Simon Francis]

Power/Stat Scroll thief sir. Even though I had fun in the old days disarming vanqs and power weaps then jacking them, I do agree with players that was griefing for the most part.

It's much more satisfying scouting spawns and being undetected when you swipe that 120 from their hands than just snooping every random person you can find.

 

[TheScoundrelRico]

Have fun with that. To me, spawns were always boring...so I steered clear of them...la

 

[Chad Sexington]

with ROT being fixed and the possible addition of a second(or more) char slot is it time to open transfers to siege ??

would you be (more) ok with just Characters coming no items ??

There is something about people not wanting to start from scratch. I know. I was one of them for a long time. But when you start from scratch, on a shard with 1 character per account, with no transferring allowed, in a land with only felucca, and with RoT, it all adds up to one important function:

People have to move up through the ranks, starting at the very bottom with chances of survival increased as you meet other people who are more advanced than you. Eventually, you'll become that advanced person and help other newer people... and the cycle continues.

With this you make friends and enemies along the way. You have to.

Without the ability to start at the top, the option to be an island onto yourself is out of the question.

This is for the better and to get rid of it would be a shame.

Lets not forget that Siege is home to the trammiest thieves in the game as well. Might as well sign up for easy-mode since there is no passive detect and no limit on what you can steal.

Power/Stat Scroll thief sir. Even though I had fun in the old days disarming vanqs and power weaps then jacking them, I do agree with players that was griefing for the most part.

It's much more satisfying scouting spawns and being undetected when you swipe that 120 from their hands than just snooping every random person you can find.

I've done both and I steal everything including Power Scrolls. Siege has more variety on what to steal and how to steal. People actually talk to you instead of being too busy running away from you or trying to kill you. There's a lot more ways to steal. Production shard stealing is a lot more "find, steal, run" type stuff. It's a lot harder with passive detect, but it's not nearly as much fun without the other stuff that comes along with Siege. Plus, there's no time-out when you feel like going to Trammel. You have to be a lot more active every second you're on.

 

[Sarphus]

I agree with most of the repsponses... Leave siege alone.

Siege would be irreperably damaged if char xfers to or from were allowed.

 

[Sarphus]

Facts:
1. Siege is the trammiest PvP shard in the game - false
2. Siege is among the newest shards in UO - true
3. Siege became complete PvP garbage when AOS introduced an item based game where you cannot insure items - false
4. PvP diversity on Siege is practically Nill in comparison to prodo shards - false
5. Practically no one wants to spend a year making a character on a 10+ year old game - false

1 out of 5 ain't bad...la

I agree with rico on this one.

Siege is the only place TO play a thief anymore btw... Live shard thief isn't a thief. it's a garbage collector.

 

[Tjalle]

Nope, no char transfers to or from Siege

but why no ??? what would the harm be ?

I guess that´s what the devs thought when introducing the transfer service on prodo shards but then look what happened... Damaged the game in a huge way.

NO to transfer to or from Siege!

 

[Dicimiie]

I don't even play Siege and think this should never happen. Siege is unique and should be left that way.

Oriana

Seconded.

 

[Beefybone]

Basically, the Siege community doesn't want anyone to play there without spending months slowly building skills and being the b*tch of all the established players. Then they wonder why their shard is empty.

 

[TheScoundrelRico]

Basically, the Siege community doesn't want anyone to play there without spending months slowly building skills and being the b*tch of all the established players.

ROFL, yeah, that's it...la

 

[Corrupted Goblin]

that is just a stupid statement. Siege players of all guilds are extremely helpful to new people even the "Evil RPers" are great to new players as long as you vow your allegience to them.

 

[Chad Sexington]

Basically, the Siege community doesn't want anyone to play there without spending months slowly building skills and being the b*tch of all the established players. Then they wonder why their shard is empty.

Basically, some people are too proud to start at the bottom.

 

[Patty Pickaxe]

NO to transfers!! I think Chad explained it best-

There is something about people not wanting to start from scratch. I know. I was one of them for a long time. But when you start from scratch, on a shard with 1 character per account, with no transferring allowed, in a land with only felucca, and with RoT, it all adds up to one important function:

People have to move up through the ranks, starting at the very bottom with chances of survival increased as you meet other people who are more advanced than you. Eventually, you'll become that advanced person and help other newer people... and the cycle continues.

With this you make friends and enemies along the way. You have to.

Without the ability to start at the top, the option to be an island onto yourself is out of the question.

This is for the better and to get rid of it would be a shame.

 

[RedDaTeef]

I say allow it, more loot for me, LOL!!

 

[Gwendar-SP]

No transfers to or from Siege. The economy on other shards is a total mess - Siege has gone downhill over the years but is no where like other shards.

 

[Rubican]

It's hard to argue with the Seige vets not liking this idea. They are the ones who keep the shard going. They were also instramental in changing ROT in an attempt to get more players there. That being said, I think start-up is too lenghty (and un-rewarding for me at least) for most players to give it a go. I have a char there on each of my accounts I stopped working long ago. 'Tis a shame really....would be a fun alternative to my regular shard but Seige seems to be a fulltime commitment.