And you have a problem with this why? You just can't sleep at night because some stranger makes "a GIGAZILLION gold?" I personally do not care. I do care that this incredibly illiterate decision decreases availability and raises prices for these items. I might want to get an additional item in the future and not be able to. And that bothers me a lot more than how much gold someone made.
Why do you think those accounts are EJ?
It also promotes legal attended unscripted gameplay. Any kind of solution that limits legal gameplay is throwing the baby out with the bath water. Moreover, this thread is about how to lower inflation. Don't look now, but any kind of farming, unscripted or scripted lowers prices while limiting it does the reverse.
And the reply is that those two Shards are as empty of players as the other Prodo ones, bar ATL.
Long ago before transfers Pacific was as full as Atlantic many other shards had thriving populations the first group to transfer a lot was pvpers looking for fresh meat they of course started farming dead shards for PS eventually Atlantic just became the place a sledge pool of commerce
Esp. on Atl because most of the time it is all PvP Trash Talk.Not everybody look at ingame chat (i don't do, e.g.: too many teens PvPers bragging and insulting...
Don't forget all the Rare Fests Atl had in a row
That was an answer to your question "..what is your problem with people making gold?.." To which my response is 'any time gold/items are flooded into the game via illegal gameplay is destructive to the economy you claim to care about'
People are used to getting XXX for their goods and if you think reducing every bodies gold by XYZ is going to lower prices than you sir are a fool, people will stil want the old price and if you want that item you will either farm gold or buy gold from a RMT. I earned all my gold the legal way and if you start to deduct zeros from my bank then I may very well quit. 10X less gold will only hurt the small guy and make the gold sellers richer so you must be a gold seller. Kind of like taxing the rich and the little guy pays for it.
Ok pretend time. I want to know what kinds of things you buy so I can mark up the price by 1000%, and according to your logic, you will pay it, because thats the price I want.
You are missing the point: long ago ALL UO Shards had thriving populations, full stop.
Now UO 20 Plats have a value of about 1,500 US$...
I don't understand what you are asking or stating above. I do not have a problem with inflation. I don't care whether I have to pay 1m or 10m for something, because if I have to pay 10m for something, that means I can sell that something for 10m too. Inflation only hurts old money bags sitting on billions of gold, and they really can afford not to care either. For the new players the inflation is largely irrelevant.
You are totally clueless about game econ, that has unlimited input of gold and very little things that take gold out of the game. Vet rewards are 200M and you think that by dropping zero off everybody's gold that the price will drop to 20M, I want what you are smoking. 120 Tact is 100M plus and you think you going to get them for 10M, you are an idiot.
Don't you know? It is the (in)famous UO "Reductio ad Mesannum", typical of who has no valid arguments...
EM event items sell for 400M They cost 0 to get. Do all the events and put them on safes on Atlantic.
Sure! As you noted I'm restraining myself to pure Irony & Sarcasm... and to use swearwords in German to circumvent the filtering system...
And, in the (not so) long run, less and less UO for playing in ANY style...
I....don't really care what Eve Online does. Though I have to admit the thought of an economist dictating a game mechanic is kinda funny to me so I guess I got a little chuckle out of it.
Sure, technically this stuff is just my point of view, analysis, opinion, and whatnot. That sure enough is absolutely true. Of course the same is true of anyone posting in this thread, but I don't see anyone posting to point that out, or have I missed something? Sadly in this day and age the currency of the realm (to bring it back to economics...ho ho!) is projection of confidence and assertiveness. Why single me out for that?
Hi there. Gotta object, mildly and on very narrow grounds, to this statement: equipment costs something in-game, emotional investment costs something IRL (and folks who tell you they aren't invested emotionally are lying -- we're all emotionally invested in our hobbies), and time/labor has both an RL and in-game "cost."
Let's not obfuscate the issue to the point of not being able to find the answer ever. Yes, UO is not 100% like the RL economy. But the laws of supply and demand work the same pretty much everywhere, including UO. And this can be demonstrated in numerous past examples.
Yes, IMO you are missing A LOT, but, frankly, I'm done with wasting time trying to explain what.
That's what I meant when I said that UO Dev's historically specialize in taking a bad situation and applying a lot of effort to make it worse.
#2 - I do not believe gold is being duped atm, maybe in the past (alot of years ago) , I know some items been duped lately , but not gold directly
I prefer to identify as 3/4th of an Origin player
How do you know this? They still periodically report disciplinary actions against dupers, and there are still plenty of checks out there.
Just with a little bit of logic you can answer this : do you really think all the big boys would care about all the idocs and house scripting ( main source of gold farming atm ) and many others scripting sources, if they were able to dupe directly gold ?
There was a significant number of unscheduled server downs and reverts on Atlantic I believe in December 2020, it was about once or twice a week for about a month-6 weeks, I actually remember it pretty well. I am told this was a mass duping of gold, probably to resupply the gold sellers who had run out of stock when the lockdowns hit. No idea how they do it but its probably only one person doing it or at least a small group of organised people who scheduled it so tightly over that period of time in a concerted effort.
Well put but, I know for a fact if you intentionally crash a server in any way , you'll eventually get a visit by Mesanna in game very shortly. But that being said if there had been any gold dupes at all in the last years, it would probably be from intentional or unintentional reverts/xfers or both , I agree with you on this.
How do you know that a bunch of people do not know about duping gold? They keep banning people for duping, so, obviously, it continues to happen. And just because the big boys get rich duping, does not mean they won't dip into a much lower risk activity like IDOCs.
Cheques go up to 1m
Also, pretty sure it has nothing to do with cheques anymore and a lot to do with having your char on two shards at once when a crash and revert happens. I’m not sure that’s exactly how they do it but I think that’s the general idea.
Not really sure what you mean by "laws of supply and demand" in this context. Just that people will pay what they'll pay and people will sell what they'll sell for, and that if one so chose we could graph it out and how the intersection of two curves? If so the only response has to be "yep, and?" It's still a very big stretch to say "curves intersect here, and curves intersect there, therefore same thing."
Umm...OK? Sorry to be so politically incorrect about this but I'm rather mystified that UO's 'economy' being a game mechanic, rather than an economy per se, is such a controversial point.
Yes the fact that players can create an economy makes it a game mechanic. A Merchant/Store Keeper/Trader/ect have always been in the game. Because there may not be a player taking the role, they made NPCs.
One you stated correctly is cloth. I recently made 10+mil on PAC doing that. Took me like 2 hours.
"Advanced" for sure, and in a very peculiar way!
), and so was quickly down-scaled to what we have today: "spontaneous generation" of various critters from the Sosaria soil itself.) . I apologize for my "discrimination", but that it is the reality: remeber what was written about Romero & the meaning of choosing a Mall, a Temple of detail consumerism, as the setting for the seminal "Day of the Dead") .) I imagined the Avatar and his Companions on a rampage in Luna (that should have been the City of the Paldins, but has become a den of... well, thieves and scammers and money-lenders too, at least!), chasing the Vendors outside its walls, but that CAN NOT HAPPENS, because the Vending Contracts were and are issued by the Avatar original creator, and woven in the "fabric" of his silver-plated, ankh-marked chainmail itself...
In FFXIV you can wait a year and the "uber" drop from the year before goes to the Market... so why doesn't EA/UO sell all these EM drops as "replicas" a year or so later in their store ... Make themselves a few bucks or sell it for gold on a special vendor once a year or so and remove tons of gold from the shard... they could sell them at 100M if they wanted... and it would remove gold. The items can say "a replica" of whatever the heck... and that would keep the "rares" rare and make others happy. Just my opinion... Other games do this.
