That is all fine but are you one of the people who always say " Its on VS for 100, so Ill take 95" knowing that the item is only worth 40M? If the answer is yes, then you are part of the problem. The new vendors are not allowing people to get a fair price for anything because prices are jacked up. I understand most people add the commission fee to the price; which is fine, but its already over priced because VS said so. And it can stay that way for years due to not having to pay daily fees. VS in my opinion is the easiest way to scam people and the commission vendors just made it easier to do so.
Just who declares what any item is "worth"? If someone was willing to pay 100 million, or 95 million, then that's too bad for you if you were only willing or able to pay 40 million. Supply and demand works as much in UO as in the real world.
People trying to fight greed or dictate prices are, to put it mildly, naive. What makes you so sure that you know better than the market as to what each item should cost? As numerous others pointed out, prices are dictated by supply and demand, not by the vendors. Yes, I am sure some players plopped their items at prices that are higher than previous averages. They will either not sell at all, or will sell when the cheaper vendors are sold out. Either scenario is fine.
But this is exactly what is going on. And those who think VS is a price guide are just following along.
Venders are fine and allow people to sell things that sell slowly and otherwise wouldn’t be for sake due to vendor daily fees. You don’t like the price - don’t buy it. Someone else willing to pay the price? Then that’s what it’s worth.
Or, someone who needs it NOW will buy it because all the ones "correctly" priced happened to be swiped at that particular moment. Either way, this is a good thing.
I do however expect grieving to begin soon, as people load up vendors with 175m items on empty houses.... sadly. I wish there was an option to "block" certain vendors / items that you do not want to view again on VS. That would be a nice new feature.....
Indeed... and it is those collectors that buy 4-5p at a time that kind of make people give up on the game and quit playing. Not fun trying to collect sets when people advertise all day long on Stratics BUYING: (All the things you want)...... just saying.
Cannot and should not for both financial and scamming purposes. People abusing the system cannot get accounts banned easily if 20 co-owners are involved. Harder for the GMs to sense fraud/scamming cases that way. This would be analogous to people friending idocers / script miners to houses and running 50 bots out of there, which Mesanna and the team just put out a message about around a month ago. Also, if it is an actual owner, it's easier for us players to know who to not buy from if they are too greedy.
I actually came to this thread to complain about people scamming the system myself, and price inflation... but while rationalizing my own words came up with a few pros as well.
Players donated sand. I put bags of 15 bottles on a Steward and passed out Runes that told them to say bottles to get a bag. I restocked him every night when players were getting them filled. Also put some bottles on a vendor at half the lowest price. Players like you hate me when there are events.Oh you sweet, sweet, summer children. I have been largely inactive as of late due to my other hobbies. However, I have taken up fencing goods for some who prefer to remain anonymous which has caused me to turn my humble trash can of a house into a wondrous mecca of commerce. For a few weeks, when the soulbinder bottle things were new, I was buying all of them I could find and reselling them at ridiculous prices. It was quite a bit of work to be constantly on vendor search making sure people couldn't sell them to anyone but me for a fair price but I made a decent fortune. Now, was I the bad guy here? The people who were crafting them got to sell them to me for a price that they thought was fair, so to them, I was a hero. For the suckers that made me rich, it is their own fault, had they not been in such a hurry to obtain the bottles, they could have sent me on a trip to the poor house with a bunch of bottles that I really had no use for. So you see, "scamming" is truly in the eye of the beholder. Perhaps the suckers who bought the bottles from me were upset when they saw them for less than half price after I went out of the bottle business, but at the time, I'd be willing to bet they were singing praises to the glorious Stinky Pete for being the only merchant kind enough to stock the wares which they sought so desperately.
Or, they just buy you out daily to prevent anyone from actually buying at your price. Then put on their vendor for a profit.
I play more than they do. They gripe in chat when I call out who needs bottles? Meet at stable for Corgul.
I hate everyone all the time! Did you forget who you are talking to?
You should totally come to Siege and do this, you'll have fun, I promise!
Thats what i do
Greedy and cheating/helping cheaters are two different things entirely. I've never trusted anyone who claims openly they help "fence" items for other players. And yes, I used to try to put items on my vendors for new players, like lower level artifacts. I noticed within two weeks that items for 25k and 50k were a stupid idea, as the hopeless money seekers were buying and reselling. That was my first lesson when I came to Atlantic 6 years ago.Thats what i do
And yes, i am super mega greedy, i love gold, making gold, spending gold, if i could i would shower in gold in uo also
A lot in here claims they aren't greedy, but it's a big fat lie, because if people weren't greedy everyone would roll around in nubi gear, and never leave new haven.
Don't mistake greed and need, they are essentially the same thing.
What option does it give people? Jack up prices and let items sit there with no consequences?? They have auction safes for high priced items.
What are you trying to sell that you cannot afford? That seems illogical. I don't care what anyone says... and bear in mind some players have 100 accounts in game, on Stratics, and everywhere. This only helps sellers who have tons to sell. But those people not being able to afford stuff.... sounds illogical. Price it cheaper than other players... it sells super fast. I have had vendors for 8 years running. My vendors all sell out in 10 days, no matter if it was cheap items or expensive... because I price the cheapest.
Ok well then you are right then I guess and all the shards besides Atlantic where you now actually have more items to buy at reasonable prices are all wrong.
This is true... we just stocked up items on another shard for some friends b/c their vendor search was empty. The vendor search was still empty, so it seems to have not helped as much as some may think however.
You claimed that you need to have commission vendors to afford selling items so that you can buy. Yet now, the only shard where one can buy stuff (ie.. Atlantic), all of the items are at 150-200% value. That is why I was stating that your claim was an illogical one. If your vendor fees are 50-100% of the value of the items you are selling... or if you have that expensive of things to sell (and do not want to use auction safes), none of that adds up in my mind. This helps the players with tons of items to control the economy only.
