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I xfer potions and consumables that I use on my pvpers... I use a game feature and don’t ruin anything... take it easy and make a smile, it’s a game, should be all about fun
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Why should I play low chance at reward content when...
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You don't expect anyone to believe that story do you ?
But ok, lets play you're game
What consumables do you xfer, and how many ?
And how often do you transfer, and why don't you ever transfer back ?
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Believe what you want dude, I don’t care less. Happy whiningYou don't expect anyone to believe that story do you ?
But ok, lets play you're game
What consumables do you xfer, and how many ?
And how often do you transfer, and why don't you ever transfer back ?
He has to be desparate-his prices are so high probably no one buys from him
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Let's use your leased 911 for an analogy. What would happen if you sold that car? RMT is the same exact thing as doing that. You don't own those pixels, your subscription basically amounts to a lease on them.
I see your point, but the arguement would be you're not paying for pixels you're paying for the time / effort to acquire. You could probably buy 160 hours of skilled labor in the Philippines for $400 a month, so I'm sure if you trained them up you could make it cost effective and that's actually a middle/respectable wage in the Philippines
Funny thing is, i don't care that you use you're using the advantage u have over players that doesn't have shard-shields.
Trying to come up with a silly story that you xfer pots and consumables on a regular basis, can only mean 1 or 2 things.
1) you are a terrible pvp'er and die alot, and loose all you're pots.
or
2) u lie.
But at least with the lack of arguments from you, everyone now knows that you are part of the problem, and not one of the so called good guys.
I'm just telling people how things work, so it should be crystal clear to anyone why anyone would want to buy gold for RL cash.
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Or 3) I xfer stuff for my guildmates/friends too. For free.
And 4) talking about “good/bad guys” regarding an online game it really makes me smile.
whiners gonna whine.
Edit: and the “advantage” I have is called “claim a vet reward after paying a sub for 16 years”
I transfer stuff for strangers all the time... I don't really use my shields except to bring home deco stuff from gifts. I will sometimes go to a shard to bring home a nice box I got on another shard or a special colored whatever the gift was... but as a general rule, I don't really use my shields at all.
I don't even do what lots of people do and I don't go to other shards hardly ever to do an EM Event as I feel it's not "fair" to go to their shard and get their drop and such... if I see some cool drop for sale at one of those rares fests and it's nice and cheap and cool I might buy it and bring it home... but more often than not I don't want drops from other shards as they have little meaning to me on GLs... I prefer to have the ones from my home shard that my character earned. I wish others would just stay on their own shard and not come to mine and take my chance at a nice drop but it is what it is. Personally, I'd prefer if they made them shard bound... but that's me.
So does that make me a cheat? Does that make me one of them? Don't lump everyone with shields in to some singular picture... I don't even really have any real vendors... the vendors on my Luna house aren't mine. The vendors on my house rarely have anything for sale on them and the only vendors I have hold gift boxes and are left out of vendor search as they have nothing for sale.
I almost never sell stuff if I do I give it to Melian for Auction at MOA... more to help them than me and more to just get crap out of my houses as they are too full... Once in a great while I'll sell something to someone to shut them up from spamming for it in gen chat, but only if they make it worth my while to stop what I'm doing and go get it for them... for friends and guildies and such mostly I just give them stuff or trade for things. I do more trading for what I want than buying things. If I can't get it myself then yeah sometimes I'll trade. I prefer to get things for myself. I prefer to make my own suits and get my own resources. Suppose that's why I like BDO because there is no trading in that game... you can only sell on the marketplace and you can't give anyone things more than food or a potion. Everything you get there you earn... either through gathering it or selling stuff to buy things but you do earn it.
I don't even do what lots of people do and I don't go to other shards hardly ever to do an EM Event as I feel it's not "fair" to go to their shard and get their drop and such... if I see some cool drop for sale at one of those rares fests and it's nice and cheap and cool I might buy it and bring it home... but more often than not I don't want drops from other shards as they have little meaning to me on GLs... I prefer to have the ones from my home shard that my character earned. I wish others would just stay on their own shard and not come to mine and take my chance at a nice drop but it is what it is. Personally, I'd prefer if they made them shard bound... but that's me.
So does that make me a cheat? Does that make me one of them? Don't lump everyone with shields in to some singular picture... I don't even really have any real vendors... the vendors on my Luna house aren't mine. The vendors on my house rarely have anything for sale on them and the only vendors I have hold gift boxes and are left out of vendor search as they have nothing for sale.
I almost never sell stuff if I do I give it to Melian for Auction at MOA... more to help them than me and more to just get crap out of my houses as they are too full... Once in a great while I'll sell something to someone to shut them up from spamming for it in gen chat, but only if they make it worth my while to stop what I'm doing and go get it for them... for friends and guildies and such mostly I just give them stuff or trade for things. I do more trading for what I want than buying things. If I can't get it myself then yeah sometimes I'll trade. I prefer to get things for myself. I prefer to make my own suits and get my own resources. Suppose that's why I like BDO because there is no trading in that game... you can only sell on the marketplace and you can't give anyone things more than food or a potion. Everything you get there you earn... either through gathering it or selling stuff to buy things but you do earn it.
You need to see it on a global scale, and not isolated.
I do agree on the EM drop thing, and i do find it somewhat unfair that some can xfer from event to event, while others dosen't have the same option unless they pay RL cash for xfer tokens. After all we all pay for our accounts to be able to do EM events in the first place.
Some players even train special throwers on various shard just to do events, i find this method a lot more fair tbh.
The damage VS+shield+cheats have done globally is enormous.
Only well function shards we have is siege+mugen.
Here is a silly example, i needed iron on atlantic, so i used VS..here i could buy a lot of 60k deeds ranging from 450k and up.
All is great from point of view A, i got the item cheap. And that made point of A happy.
But hey wait a minute, point of view B. how can it be this cheap ? When i roam around on atlantic, i don't see any miners anywhere !?
And hey how long does it take to actually mine up 60k ingots ?
With simple reasoning we can conclude that this iron deed, and the 20 others on the vendor i found it on, aient comming from happy joe the miner.
It's clearly scripted on some deserted shard, and then xfered to atlantic.
I did same search on serveral shard, and on around 95% of all the shard i could't even buy 60k iron deeds.
And again we have the same 3 mechanics involved.. VS+shields+cheats.
It fits perfectly in the loop.
loop:
- goto event get drop, or farm champs/*.*, or script or vacum shard for items to resell on atlantic.
- xfer to atl
- use VS
- sell items
- buy pots for paperboys friends.
- xfer back
- goto loop
I can give you 300 other examples if you really want.
Damage has been done, the question is can it be fixed.
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I'm gonna bet you that 99% of what you are seeing like that for sale on Atl comes from one source... IDOC loot... back in the day no one had anything better to do and mining was actually a lucrative business because people had to replace armor and weapons all the time as there wasn't any special **** with them and honestly you lost them no insurance game was newer and fresher... then went through a period of time when everyone and their dog was scripting the hell out of it... now it's not worth jack squat so people just left it in piles in their house... along comes custom housing, new crafting, new loot and no one buys that stuff.. then you get commodity deeds and boxes... now all that crap is combined over and over and over from 100's of IDOCs and hoarders leaving the game... and there it is on vendors... probably all belonging to mister I have a dozen gargoyles with a dozen packies who vacuum up the house in .2 nanoseconds...
oh well guess we can include idocs to the list, had actually forgot about them. Guess we already know how idoc loot end up on atlantic as well
Shard sheilds were a lazy and very short sighted concept of a reward. They should be removed, it takes revenue directly from them. It's self inflicted and should be corrected , not factoring in game economics as much as real world economics. Bleak and Kyronix seem smart, someone needs to make this a reality, it's business sense.
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Shard shield gives the possibility to play on multiple servers without buy xfer token for real cash at the vets who payed a sub for 14+ years...
This game is alive thanks to vets, show a bit of respect please
I've been here for all of them, that doesn't make it a logical business move. For that we've been provided service for 14 years, gaming is an extremely cheap hobby, so we've been not only already given what we've paid for, we most certainly aren't owed anything, and furthermore the longevity of the company requires sound business decisions. This is far and above the worst one I've seen out of any already established MMO
Do you have any numbers to back that statement up ?
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it's simply logic, a person who pays every month of game for 14+ years brings more cash than someone that pay a couple of months every year…
as in real life, a business activity earns more on regular customers than on occasional customers
You're absolutely right, but they would not be losing subscribers over not including shard shields. It was a poor, wreckless decision that has had lasting financial results on their bottom line. Not all developers are business people, and this one seems to have missed the point, but maybe at that time they saw a decline in numbers, had a big presentation coming up, etc and just wanted to make sure they were working on righting the ship. They are doing a great job with content and making UO better, but I hope they chop the nuts off shard shields for the sake of finances.
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I've never wrote that shard shield prevents losing ppl.
I've Always wrote that these shields are a REWARD for the ppl who have payed and played the game for all these years.
And no, they will never remove shields, as they never remove tranfer tokens from the store
This thread is so much fun! let's talk about powerscrolls in trammel next!
This thread is so much fun! let's talk about powerscrolls in trammel next!
I'm glad you brought that up. They really should.
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Don’t say the T word!This thread is so much fun! let's talk about powerscrolls in trammel next!
You fail to grasp some significant points.
Broadsword doesn't get a penny for any monetization generate through the store..... zero. The game has an annual budget. It has revenue goals that must be reached through subs, with various clauses for retention. Any money paid to EA for Sovereigns/ tokens, expansions stays in EA's pocket. BroadSword never sees any of it. Broadsword is paid to maintain a game that has X number of subs.
It is Broadswords choice and responsibility on how they get there. One Day EA will say that is it, no more yearly subs, we are shutting the servers down in 3 months... thanks for playing. But until then Broadsword gets to steer the ship, but all the cargo it carries goes to EA not Broadsword...
Remember the store only exists because EA made it clear to all it's game properties... "either find ways to monetize or be prepared to be shut down". I think Bonnie is doing exactly what she has to to keep the game off the radar... smaller products/teams dont get cut but have to dance all the faster to keep vet subs.
Shard shields or no, I am sure I'm not the only 'vet' who hasnt got but a few...
If they would cut the price on those we buy, I would buy some. But not paying the price they want for them now, that aint happening.
It's good to want to make money, but greed and cash grabbing will run some of us off quicker than a bad product
If they would cut the price on those we buy, I would buy some. But not paying the price they want for them now, that aint happening.
It's good to want to make money, but greed and cash grabbing will run some of us off quicker than a bad product
That's a good point, and one I didn't consider - that EA keeps all of this cash and Broadsword is simply managing. That slipped my mind, so while I still would consider the Shard Sheild a blunder, it's at least less self-inflicted and more self-preservation based; either way, it's just not a properly setup item
You're just guessing
My guess is that EA lost more money on selling x-fer tokens, than the entire horde of 14 years++ vets ever paid in subscription fees.
I also believe that EA lost tons of $$ by introducing soulstones as 1st year rewards.
I don't see why notThis thread is so much fun! let's talk about powerscrolls in trammel next!
Most power scrolls are farmed on dead shards anyway then xfered to atlantic to be sold.
In the grand scheme of things power scrolls aren't the risk vs reward as it used to. Now days entire pvp guilds xfer to dead shards, controls the spawn by numbers, free farm for profit, and xfer scrolls to atlantic.
There is a lot of ways to work around it. When my main shard died, i invested heavyly in soul stones (bought them on atlantic for gold) farmed champs like crazy to get power scrolls.
Then i had help from friends with shard-shields to move my scrolls+skills to make new chars on various other shards.
My point is, and i agree totally with you. had the price been lower for xfer tokens, i would have bought those instead.
And ya EA would have made some money, but instead they made nada.
If i had to do it all over again, i would just buy gold from an RMT site (so again i totally agree with OP) and buy what i needed.
Neon pink soulstones for $25 anyone?
— One point I have continuously made for years is that the 90 Day Rule has caused a massive amount in lost revenue for Broadsword/EA.
And every time I talk about it, I get so much pushback from people.
But logically, the 90 Day Rule is asinine.
There are people who take advantage of it and only pay for three or four months’ of subscriptions a year. They don’t actively play the game, but they have houses and items they aren’t willing to lose. So they pay for a month, let the account lapse for three. Then pay for a month.
Wash. Rinse. Repeat.
Let’s say, for argument’s sake, that it’s 500 people game-wide who have done this for ten years.
Paying on a per month basis, that’s a loss of $584,550.
It’s more than 500 people, I’m sure. So that’s a lowball figure.
Now, these people aren’t going to stop paying their sporadic sub fees just because the 90 Day Rule gets dropped to, say, 45 Days.
They want to keep their stuff just in case they come back and because they put so much time into earning that stuff in the first place.
So drop the damn time frame when a house falls after an account goes inactive and Bam! More revenue automatically.
And every time I talk about it, I get so much pushback from people.
But logically, the 90 Day Rule is asinine.
There are people who take advantage of it and only pay for three or four months’ of subscriptions a year. They don’t actively play the game, but they have houses and items they aren’t willing to lose. So they pay for a month, let the account lapse for three. Then pay for a month.
Wash. Rinse. Repeat.
Let’s say, for argument’s sake, that it’s 500 people game-wide who have done this for ten years.
Paying on a per month basis, that’s a loss of $584,550.
It’s more than 500 people, I’m sure. So that’s a lowball figure.
Now, these people aren’t going to stop paying their sporadic sub fees just because the 90 Day Rule gets dropped to, say, 45 Days.
They want to keep their stuff just in case they come back and because they put so much time into earning that stuff in the first place.
So drop the damn time frame when a house falls after an account goes inactive and Bam! More revenue automatically.
500 subs 4 times a year > 0 subs 12 times a year.
And they realize this.
And they realize this.
I know a few folks who have played "roulette" with their accounts and lost BIG TIME... I would NEVER do that. If I were to lose a house with all that's in it I think I'd just want to vomit and quit. Now some folk got no problem losing pixels and all but for me, that would hurt way too much.
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That is true at this point.
However, they had to wrap EJ around it... an account won't go EJ until it has been closed long enough for any housing to fall, which isn't obvious and is an added layer of complication and frustration that make EJ and UO less versatile and appealing to a wider audience. They are probably stuck with it now, but it is awkward.
— So ... it’s ok to let people game the system instead of fixing it? The people who refuse to let their houses fall would continue to refuse to let their houses fall, even if they had to pay every other month instead of every four and the game would have more revenue which would mean it will live longer for those of us who play regularly.
I’m not sure why people who pay to keep their accounts active always fight this?
Trust me Jen I'm with you... 60 days is more than plenty... it should drop after the account is unpaid 30 days. That's more than ample time to pay it... And really if you know your going to be gone then buy up the time and put it on there before you leave...
I know if I had to have surgery or something where I was going to be off work awhile I'd make sure to cover the accounts ahead of time.
— Right, Malag?
I pay my accounts (all four of them) by 6 months. It saves money to pay for 6 months, and paying four accounts that way I save enough to consider the newest account free.
12 months @ $12.99 = $155.88.
2 payments @ $59.99 = $119.98.
x4 accounts: savings of $143.60.
The game loses thousands of dollars every year because they give such a huge leeway for subscription fees and the time items are lost forever.
I pay my accounts (all four of them) by 6 months. It saves money to pay for 6 months, and paying four accounts that way I save enough to consider the newest account free.
12 months @ $12.99 = $155.88.
2 payments @ $59.99 = $119.98.
x4 accounts: savings of $143.60.
The game loses thousands of dollars every year because they give such a huge leeway for subscription fees and the time items are lost forever.
— Nope. Last year, they raised the prices on Origin to match those of the Account Management page. I used to buy my 6 months through Origin, because it was only $54.99. Now it’s the same $59.99.