We all have the same character flaws.
I voted "yes" myself, though I'm not a PvP'er at all. One of the reasons I liked (and still play after 20 years) UO in the first place is that there's an "end game" for everyone. Some people like the player justice aspect, some people like the rush of a good pvp fight, some people like collecting things, some people want to acquire wealth, some people like making things, some people like decorating houses in incredibly imaginative ways, some people are character building junkies, and some people love just spending time with friends.
The only thing I do not like is the attitude of some that feel their play style and what they want is the only way to play and belittle those that play a different way.
Personally, I play because this game gives me a chance to relax and escape from the intense pressures of my life and many times just whacking a shovel against a mountain for several hours is that cathartic release I need to be able to sleep. The last thing I want is a pvp fight.
That all being said, I support other play styles that I don't indulge in and have friends who PK, pvp, who are decorators, merchants and craftsmen. I'd like to see them all happy and to see UO actually GROW for a change. If a fel only shard would do that, then, awesome. I'd probably even make a character there and stop by now and then to say hi to some friends or to marvel at how much I suck at pvp.
Good luck!
The siege ruleset has always been limiting since it was designed that way.
Ty for info Malag.
No doubt we do... but I will say I do agree with the "meat" of your proposal, I feel that having some servers PvP and others PvM would have in the long run been a better way to have handled things rather than the split facet approach we have now. It was mainly the way you expressed this I my comments earlier were focused towards. Trammie, Care Bear, Snowflake, etc... it really doesn't serve any purpose other than automatically turn a portion of the people who read your post away because of your tone. It's not just you, there are others that do the same, and like it or not there are as many or more PvM players than PvPers left, you're better served trying to get them to work with you.
I get the main thing about pvp is around the champ spawns issues, getting raided and losing all your hard work for the past hour. We have all had it done to us, it sucks.
Just a brainfart while walking the dogs, why couldn't they look at a way to incorporate VvV into dungeons/champ spawns etc. Who ever controls that spawn/dungeon gets a % of the champ loot. Keeps everyone happy, pvm get their reward of the scrolls they want and are working for. Pvp guys get to have their fight over controlling territory with other like minded pvp players and get a reward in scrolls for it.
(Edit- this idea would have worked better in factions-Order/Chaos- Guild Wars that VvV. Note I am no expert on pvp. I am shocking, but give it a go!)
We need to keep people playing on the same shards, diluting what players we have even further will not help anyone. Just need to find a way pvm & pvp can work on the same server, not just who shouts the loudest.
This topic really gets the head scratched, honestly cant think of a way people could play together and enjoy the aspects of the game they like. UO needs to keep the player base it has, not keep losing players.
Enjoying reading the debate though
I agree with this! You get more with a smile than a frown, being insulting will just make people angry before they even consider your proposal. It would have been better to make some of the shards all PVP and some of them non-pvp, with a free one-way transfer for characters at the start. Other games have content specific shards and it does work to some extent, PvP, language specific or RP servers. Making a mirror image just created a 'them and us' scenario in which each side generally cannot or will not see the other sides point of view.
I agree with this! You get more with a smile than a frown, being insulting will just make people angry before they even consider your proposal. It would have been better to make some of the shards all PVP and some of them non-pvp, with a free one-way transfer for characters at the start. Other games have content specific shards and it does work to some extent, PvP, language specific or RP servers. Making a mirror image just created a 'them and us' scenario in which each side generally cannot or will not see the other sides point of view.
sometimes you fly above peoples heads.
I complete understand you and I for one would love a fel only shard with a normal rule set. Let the trammies have powerscrolls and all that. Let them deal with the market crash when everything is farmed 24/7 with no pvpers to keep it in check.
As a trammie, I am all for this. Separate the rule sets. Let players pick the play style they prefer.sometimes you fly above peoples heads.
How about I start calling anyone like you who prefers Fel as a PKer? Stop calling people who do not want your playstyle as Care Bears, Trammies or whatever. We are PvM or PvE ... just as you are PvP.
Why?
Because you'd ruin every other server for the rest of us? A lot of people dont have time to start over or they just don't want to? There is not enough players to even come close to being able to support your idea?
There is another alternative, you know. Go to one of them thar freebie places. You know, the ones where the grass is greener, the loot more desirable and all that?
Why should I have to?
What risk?
I'm not forcing anyone into anything.
I could turn this around on you.
Isn't that the same risk everyone in game takes?
What shard do you happen to play Celt?
I'm pretty sure you can't. See, if I get killed in fel, I just shrug and come back the next day. I don't remember ever winning a fight, if I get attacked in fel. And at some point you just don't care anymore. And at some point I stopped even fighting back. But that doesn't stop me from coming back. It's just like death through PKs is part of the loot lottery. Sometimes you work through spawn levels 1-4 and get killed just so someone else can do the champ. Sometimes you pop the champ, kill it and don't get anything because of the awesome RNG.
Except you are trying to force players to move to this server by giving trammel powerscrolls and suggesting to remove PvP altogether on current realms. Because your proposal would only stand a chance at working if it was literally the only place to PvP no one actually cares anymore if trammel exists and it's not like removing it would make felucca content any better. The majority of trammel content is all instanced based so it's not like you would be fighting over anything of value. The only spot that could see some PvP action would be doom the rest of the areas would just go unchecked.
Like what? Having your CC charged twice for a month, because you don't want to use GTCs?
Lol. Yeah man, you got it.
Some of those bits, are just ideas and suggestions.
It's not about how much time you have, it's all about how you spend the time you have. If you have lets say 30min play time a day, plan them well, figure out how you can get maximum profit out of 30min.
One of my favorite times in the history of UO was when Siege was born because of most of this. Seeing 10+ newbies (myself included) trying to kill an orc group outside of Skara was so much fun. I remember laughing so hard it hurt as we all died repeatedly to one orc mage, and having to run into town to get a res. The mad rush to save up enough gold to put a house down, people standing around the bank trying to sell stuff etc., etc. Then they wiped the shard and we got to do it all again.
He's not forcing ANYONE. Everyone that would come to this hypothetical server would do so voluntarily.
How is removing PvP from every current server not forcing anyone that wants to PvP to switch servers?
You tell others to move from dead shards even tho they are not. Now you don't want to change shards even tho they will be dead according to you.
lol keep trying to convince people to play lake superior because 10 whole people logged on yesterday!!!! And why would I want to leave Atlantic for a new server that will have even less players .You tell others to move from dead shards even tho they are not. Now you don't want to change shards even tho they will be dead according to you.
Your own medicine does not taste so good?
But it's okay to force your playstyle on me and those like me? I already stated I'm all for a PvP only shard. what more do you want?
Again I disagree why promote antisocial behavior... Keep them separate build a separate shard... and focus on rewards for the action... give special rewards that are more PvP oriented for things titles for one... like I suggested in another shard instead of bounties of cutting corpses have certificates of kills... Kill a red get a certificate with that Reds name on it... maybe have a turn in reward system built in with that... the more Kills the Red has the more that certificate is worth in turn in points... However, this can be exploited so there would need to be stipulations to that such as you can't earn kill points in a secure location like a house...they can only be given in "dangerous" locations like Dungeons and spawns...Splitting realms between PVP and not PVP is the worst thing ever... why? because it splits the population and gives no real advantages to the game...
Want to PVP everywhere? add a PVP flag that changes the rewards/loot/etc... when you do something with the flag ON you get better loot, better quality items, etc... of course we need a cooldown of 5+ minutes when you toggle the flag before it turns off (and resets everytime you attack/get attacked). This would bring a better risk vs reward system than currently is. Right now there are 0 incentive for PVP, you are just forced to do it for some marginal activities (that can totally be avoided if you have enough gold to buy what you need) :/
Best thing would be:
- you want to avoid PVP? ok, you get a reward based on the PVM challenge (on a champion spawn you could get up to a 110 scroll).
- you want to PVP? you get a reward based on the PVM challenge + a bonus for every player you defeat.
This way you can play safe or if you PVP you have an incentive on having others chellenging you
the real problem goes deeper than that... there is no real end game activity right now and many people just PVP to fight the boredom that comes from being fully geared and skilled and having nothing else to do...
the real problem goes deeper than that... there is no real end game activity right now and many people just PVP to fight the boredom that comes from being fully geared and skilled and having nothing else to do...
PvP IS the Endgame, this is where you just don't comprehend. Everything else up until that moment, was just preparation. But I get that some people don't like to PvP, ultimately, yes they are going to sit around bored. On one hand, can't live with the drama, on the other hand, life is dull without it. This is where it all happens.
As for PVM right now you can solo everything, there is not even the need to bring friends (many people just multibox their way to what they can't solo), and besides the lack of challenges (when you're fully geared obv), there is also the lack of meaning. Same goes for PVP where you basically run around whacking random people and stealing their stuff just to say "I did it!", until it gets old and you're bored again...
Again, this is a Trammel created issue, we don't have this in Felucca. Trammel has made the game too easy to "finish", so you sit around bored. In Felucca, we still have a lot of meaning and huge amount of fun trying to take or complete objectives. Again, only last night, we had a superb team fight that everyone came away from smiling - we also "won" the Abyssal Lair spawn, after a huge amount of teamwork - again it was different, because we chose a different setting for the fight, which led to a whole different terrain to try and win in.
The game has no main story to follow (except the one dictated by the EM, if you can play when they do), there is no real "cosmetic" rewards like mounts or pets or achievements that you can hold on to even after you stop playing (the stuff you get now is all going to be trashed the day you stop paying and lose your house), and even the mosters are static, always in the same place, no surprises no nothing.
You make your own story. Again, Player Drama, Player Justice, the battle for Resources and Objectives - this is all part of the Story. Again, you seem to be missing the point of the entire game. And this is again, one of my bugbears, Trammies don't even understand the game. The closest Players to the PvPers who do - are the Roleplayers.
You can make 20 realms PVP, non-PVP, medium-rare PVP, but the problem will just be dragged around and the few people still playing will be splitted even more. So giving the people a chance to choose IF and WHERE to PVP is a first step towards a more modern gameplay, giving a purpose to both playstyles (and even a mix of both) is another step, and the final (and most important) step is to give people a reason to play together.
I completely disagree. Giving people this sort of choice... This completely restricts the entire concept behind the game, and real life. Justice and the ability to create your own storyline and live as you see fit. The second you start giving this sort of "choice" - you are in fact straitjacketing, and controlling, in the guise of "choice". It will lose the point of the game. Like Trammel already has, but you just cannot see.
For what I can see people play together only on EM events, but if someone has to pay to play in EM events, they could simply join a d&d group for free
Again, Incorrect, we have more people playing each night in Felucca, than EM events very often. The last EM event on our shard, was very very well done, and yes he surpassed us. But we recognise most of the players at EM events, as Feluccan PvPers.
The fact of giving PVP flagged people more loot was just an idea that you don't like because of how the game is structured right now, of course if you do all the spawn and a guy steal your work by killing you and the boss everything is pointless, in order for the system to work things should be more balanced... like if you start the champion spawn (PVP flag off) you are in your own instance with your own party, if another one starts the champion in PVP mode and he and his party dies the spawn resets (unless you kick out the attackers in a certain amount of time) and the other group has to start over.
Except for the champion spawns, the rest is already like that on Felucca (higher chances of artifacts, more fame/karma on kill, extra resources when mine/lumberjack), so the flag would simply give you a choice to do the same thing outside of Felucca.
"Choice" in your sense of the word = Restrict Freedom. Is it ok to do a boss and it kills you? The answer to that is probably yes. Except the boss never kills you, because it is too easy, or because they cannot make NPC's as clever as a human player. The point is, you need to face a real challenge, not just some pixles going through a subroutine to feel you have achieved something. If you kill a boss and achieve an objective in the face of everything, that offers far more fulfilment. Yesterday, we had a running battle, with the Abyssal Inferno and all his spawn after us, as well as a PK guild. We could not control it, but we managed it the best we could, with some very fun teamwork.
As for PVP activities, the bounties could work but they would be another farming activity to do in solo, I would see better stuff like city wars where groups of people fight each other with some strategy instead where you would gain some reward related to the city you're loyal to
SP is to hard for the care bear Prodo shard PKers, sorry ment PvPers, LOL
