This "idea" consists largely of whining and insults, and asking for a shard that'd be deader than Siege. My post in the other thread along similar lines (the Ilshenar thread) contains the specifics, though I realize this can't compensate for.....Well, whatever it is that causes people to think this way.
Posts like these are highly negative in nature and do not help build a positive community here on Stratics.
Let's deal with your main post as there is nothing useful here to discuss.
Only negative because some players see through the ******** and won't lie down for you.
Anonymous UOPlayer;
Most posts like this are predicated on an incorrect notion: That Fel and the Fel lifestyle attracts players. Therefore Ilshenar will thrive with such a change.
Not only does it attract them, it keeps them longer, as they are less likely to get bored.
People in an old people's home die fast from boredom.
People out and about facing the challenges, aspirations, highs and lows of the real world, get far more fulfilment from life.
If that premise were true, the following list of things also would be true.
Publish 16 never would have happened. Posts from the dev team at the time said that Publish happened because most people had left Felucca for Trammel and there was a need to balance out server loads for a greater degree. If Trammel hadn't been a success, most people never would've left, and Publish 16 never would have happened.
But it did happen.
If you give people a choice between having to work for a living or a free house, free ice cream, free chocolate, free fizzy drinks for the rest of their life, they'll take the latter.
They will end up fat, listless, lazy, no drive in life and die early, and they will whine and defend their right to free stuff on forums all day long with zero self awareness.
Of course they would take Trammel in droves, it was never an equal choice.
Most new landmasses and content in Trammel?
All new starters to start in Trammel?
I'm sure some people would prefer to start in Felucca - they are not even given a choice.
They are brainwashed before they are even aware.
Trammel never would have been created, because the discontent created by Fel never would have existed and thus there never would have been a need for it.
But it was. (Then see also above.)
Richard Garriott's Memorable Moment from UO would not have consisted of a realization, caused by an incident of one player harming another, that he had to think hard about the rules of the world he'd created.
But it was.
Link:
Memorable Moment – Ultima Online
Starr Long would not have indicated that the creation of Trammel was necessary when he spoke at the UO anniversary party.
But he did. (There used to be a paraphrase up someplace of the talk he gave; others will remember it though not all will remember it.)
Siege and Mugen would be the most-populated shards in UO because people would like to play that way.
But they are not.
Siege/Mugan ruleset is not a pure Feluccan rulset - it is considered harsh by even Feluccan players, it is not strictly the original ruleset.
It is a very respectable ruleset - but was put in for the seriously hardcore players.
There are players who sit in the middle of extremely easy, and extremely hardcore.
UO never had only 1 character per account - for example.
Again, you are not using a fair comparison.
There never would have been a need to have the Siege housing gimmick as people would have played there without it, because they liked to play that way.
But there was.
The Fel Abyss spawns would be crowded with folks doing them. (The undead one in particular has a lot of cool content and good rewards.)
But they're not.
They are - we do them a lot. You wouldn't know I guess.
There wouldn't be posts on Stratics complaining that VvV was dead, because people would jump at the chance to PvP.
But there are those posts.
Give VvV the same loot tables as free and easy PvM - especially Shadowguard soloable by a tamer or Sampire for the last couple of years, and see what happens.
Antique equipment from VvV?
Again, you are speaking from zero knowledge, and using completely unrealistic comparisons.
Give us something to PvP over.
Games that came out post-UO that had more of a Fel type environment would be prospering, whereas games that came out post-UO that had more of a Tram type environment would be failing.
But that's not the case. Shadowbane is dead. Darkfall has around 3,400 likes on facebook;
Darkfall Online
Everquest has around 66,000;
EverQuest
UO has around 28,000.
Ultima Online
(Facebook likes aren't a perfect indicator of a game's popularity but it's a much better metric than individual posters.)
No likes for Shadowbane because it died.
I found a Facebook page for a free shard! Number or likes: around 3,800.
I found a Facebook page for another free shard, specifically dedicated to the Second Age era. Number of likes: around 1,700.
There wouldn't be very angry posts on Stratics calling for a Fel-only shard, because everyone would be playing in Fel to start with! But there are such posts.
Eve Online - I mentioned this in another post.
So you are only happy to provide failed examples - I can provide one more failed example - UO in Trammel period.
Felucca only shard.
Finally, Fel would be so popular on its own that threads like these wouldn't exist. Ilshenar would've been made Fel-only a long time ago, perhaps even at the time of its creation. It wasn't made so and it hasn't been made so since, and why? Because they knew they'd just be making a dead facet.
I could go on and on but that's enough for now. The upshot of all this is clear: A Fel rules Ilshenar would be a dead facet.
Now of course the poster could've just wanted Ilshenar to be Fel rules as a personal preference. I can't counter that save to say that in this instance, your personal preference would be bad policy for the game. I'd like to think good policy for the game trumps your wishes.
There was a time when most players would see posts like these and just let them pass by, but I'm glad that time is gone. In not responding to posts like these we run significant risks of letting intense opinion be mistaken for popular opinion.
It is popular opinion.
It's only intense to you, because it would mean giving up your free cookies and ice cream, and you cannot begin to comprehend life after that.
I don't expect to post in this thread again, however, because it'd be pointless.
I don't expect you to post again, because you have nothing useful to say.
But you will - the entire Trammel debate is only pushed by about 5 Stratics zealots onto the rest of us.
They have huge post-counts, they never stop trolling, and they never let fact or truth stop them.
They certainly do not know how to debate, or present a reasonable argument - at least you did try here, but it was easy to take down.
