@Bleak, @Mesana Pet specific Power scrolls

[Daemon McCrowley]

I think people can tame more animals then scrolls will drop. increasing drop rates or adding tram drop will not change the demand, it will just mean more pets there by de valuing the pet system.

Why dont we just make it to where all tamers can get account bound 120 scrolls for the pet skills. As many as they want. Every pet you tame can be scroll instantly. You have access to this special feature cause you have taming and lore. You can get wrestle tactics anything that a pet can use, but you can only use those scrolls on your pets. you cant sell them or trade them. But they are free and you can have all you want. All tamers. Everything you tame, you just open the window click for scrolls and feed em to your new pet.

And while we are at it, lets make all tamable animals spawn at their max stats. so every dragon turtle is exactly the same. and can be scroll instantly. and then trained. Would that FIX this?

Would that help? Cause I can get behind that. Just max their pets. all of them. Then scroll prices will stabilize back at the tolerable price they were when it was just characters that needed them and we can all take a deep breath and relax knowing that we saved UO. (and killed taming)

I also feel its a fair trade, let tamers have all the scrolls they want for free, and we dont lose this pimp racket we got going that has made us all rich in real life for being pvp. NO TRAM WHITES, but tamers can get all they want right thru their paper doll. BUT ONLY TAMERS AND ONLY FOR THEIR PETS. You will still have to get your vet, tame and lore scrolls thru the racket.

DEAL?

 

[Fridgster]

For years I have tolerated the Powder of Fortification tax. I did not like it, but I tolerated it. The imbuing skill greatly increased the need for powder of fortification, and I think POF should drop on all lizard men. For too long the crafters have held a monopoly on this market, hurting all other players to increase the coffers of the few, with their corner on the colored bods and all the rewards. This is not good for the game and should be fixed.

I am also tired of having to pay the single tile soul forge tax. Why should a few 120 fishers have the whole market on white nets? White nets should drop on rats, so we all have a chance to get one.

I am also tired of paying the prism of light tax. Why does this ONE GUY get 10k everytime someone wants to go in that dungeon. We should have a chance to be the dungeon keeper. This should be fixed.

Does this sound ridiculous?

Apples and oranges. Few minutes bribing up any armor/shield bod and you can get a pof. At little cost.

 

[NinjaSampire]

Just make it so you need to do a very simple quest to get in the lost lands every day. This will stop the ghost cams. After lost lands wuest time runs out you get ported to a shrine. This would allow the guilds to come and do raids and limit the forever invised "watchers". That would meet everyone in the middle. Sosaria returns to harmony lol

 

[Daemon McCrowley]

Look Ninja Samp, we dont have any time for reason and compromise OK so shut it

 

[NinjaSampire]

Very well

 

[celticus]

For years I have tolerated the Powder of Fortification tax. I did not like it, but I tolerated it. The imbuing skill greatly increased the need for powder of fortification, and I think POF should drop on all lizard men. For too long the crafters have held a monopoly on this market, hurting all other players to increase the coffers of the few, with their corner on the colored bods and all the rewards. This is not good for the game and should be fixed.

I am also tired of having to pay the single tile soul forge tax. Why should a few 120 fishers have the whole market on white nets? White nets should drop on rats, so we all have a chance to get one.

I am also tired of paying the prism of light tax. Why does this ONE GUY get 10k everytime someone wants to go in that dungeon. We should have a chance to be the dungeon keeper. This should be fixed.

Does this sound ridiculous?

Do you think we may be comparing apples with oranges a little bit? It sounds that people don't go to fel out of fear they will be raided by players with toons that cannot do spawns, are specialists, with special toons/skills specifically geared to kill others and rob them of that one-two hours worth of work they just finished, just to scroll pets? I think this is what the trammies fear most, not you and not getting killed, since they get killed all the time by high level mobs , just a frustrating loss of effort, and not fun either. Also many of the same trammies have RL jobs and obligations and cannot play the game more than their time allows. Also many say they used to pvp, but now they are older, and their interests have changed, they dont like pvp anymore. THEY ARE FORCED TO GO ON LINE AND BUY THEIR SCROLLS FROM THE DUPERS WITH GREEN DOLLARS. Is this where we are leading this game? Just to scroll the ****g pets? Is this what we want as players of this game? Heres an idea :REMOVE ALL WHITE SCROLLS FROM PET SCROLLING PERMANENTLY!! And at the same time allow ALL pets without exception to raise their skills/stats to 120 by just fighting different mobs! Just make the caps all to 120 automatically!
*pats self on the back*
What an idea eh? Would kill lots of birds with just this little pebble? Very little new coding by the devs/programmers, and lots of joy all around.
Also this would not effect those that have spent upward from 200 M for PS for a single pet. Its called game evolution. Not de-evolution, as it has been so far, with few elites controlling the PS for the most part whether they are pkers or trammies selling the PS for 55M apiece.
This would establish the status quo of pvp / White PS over the last 20 years that we like so much, keep the PVP community happy, quiet down the spirits of the pvper and the trammies and the tamers too? What do you think? It would also make some dupers and green dollar PS sellsers unhappy possibly, and push people back into legitimate game? I dunno I need your opinions on this..Again this would not effect the true PVP spirit and PVP gaming and leave it as it has been from day 1.....Just think of it for a second or so...
Also if that were to be the case i.e. every pet has an automatic can at 120 for all skills, with one little addition to perpetuate the old UO tradition of grindfesting: Make pet gains slower. **oops I shouldn't have said that...
**braces self for the upcoming rotten tomatoes and other not so pleasant goodies tossed this way..**
Maybe the devs SHOULD be reading these posts, I hope.

 

[cholupa]

I don't see why tamers should get special treatment over other classes. What's next? Sampire specific powerscrolls?

 

[celticus]

I think people can tame more animals then scrolls will drop. increasing drop rates or adding tram drop will not change the demand, it will just mean more pets there by de valuing the pet system.

Why dont we just make it to where all tamers can get account bound 120 scrolls for the pet skills. As many as they want. Every pet you tame can be scroll instantly. You have access to this special feature cause you have taming and lore. You can get wrestle tactics anything that a pet can use, but you can only use those scrolls on your pets. you cant sell them or trade them. But they are free and you can have all you want. All tamers. Everything you tame, you just open the window click for scrolls and feed em to your new pet.

And while we are at it, lets make all tamable animals spawn at their max stats. so every dragon turtle is exactly the same. and can be scroll instantly. and then trained. Would that FIX this?

Would that help? Cause I can get behind that. Just max their pets. all of them. Then scroll prices will stabilize back at the tolerable price they were when it was just characters that needed them and we can all take a deep breath and relax knowing that we saved UO. (and killed taming)

I also feel its a fair trade, let tamers have all the scrolls they want for free, and we dont lose this pimp racket we got going that has made us all rich in real life for being pvp. NO TRAM WHITES, but tamers can get all they want right thru their paper doll. BUT ONLY TAMERS AND ONLY FOR THEIR PETS. You will still have to get your vet, tame and lore scrolls thru the racket.

DEAL?

Nope thats too easy, that cannot be UO.
I have another post and there is the solution in there:
NO WHITE PS for pets at all!! JUST GIVE ALL OR SOME PETS AN AUTOMATIC CAP TO SKILLS/CASTS OF 120!!
Just allow all skill to raise painfully slow with training/fighting as it has been for tamers I guess. Any idea how long it takes to train skills? Despite all the tricks and "solves". It takes massive amounts of petience to train pets esp. some skills (disco any1? lol).
Soooo..The upside is that the tamers will get their pets "eventually" skilled, the necessary downside may be for the devs to make the gains for pet skills from 110 --> 120 even slower and even include that nasty little RND yes gain/no gain little calculation. I think this will give tamers incentive to "train" pets till the cows come home and in game, the pvpers and trammies are all as happy and chummy as they were for the last 20 years. The tamers may not mind : Remember their weapon is patience. They can watch paint dry and keep smiling, and keep friendly conversations with other tamers watching paint dry at the same time skilling pets. They are the breed whose mindset the pVPers have the most trouble trouble understanding. Tamers by nature are not PVPers nowdays for the most part. Not in this today's UO, with the present PVP gear and PVP toons that exist. Used to be in previous remote versions but not now. Cannot ever be again.
I think that would solve all the dilemmas and I hope all can agree with this idea : REMOVE WHITE PS from pet revamp!! Radical idea but I think would fix things, or at least start turning things around, and maybe in 6-12 months white PS will be close to what they were before.
Makes you wonder : Did the devs know that this was going to happen before the taming revamp? I doubt that this was intentional, since the complications of this are glaringly obvious to people that are not refusing to conceptualize what happened.

(I think we should not give up like the fellow player who comments : "You paid 6.5 M for mystic 120 PS for your toon, and thats not too much at all". Before the pet revamp price was like 1.2 M. Some of us are kind of broke gamewise and 6.5 M is a lot of effort. Also 55 M for the more well to do is still a lot..)

I dont know..I think there has to be some type of compromise or middle of t he road approach:
--Remove all white PS and implement full caps for all/some pets but modify gain from 110-->120 automatically without PS.
--Make PS for pets what they should be pet-PS not usable by toons. Have them drop at T-Maps Lev 7 Fel give the 120's, Others drom Lev 4-5-6-7 in Tram/Ilsh 105-110-115 etc.
--Add pet PS 120's in the store so people can buy them with green$ to benefit UO specifically and not the off site dupers.
--Leave the present PS system as is but add one or more of the above options.
Do these sound like more realistic options @Mesana, @Kyronix ??

I don't see why tamers should get special treatment over other classes. What's next? Sampire specific powerscrolls?

 

[celticus]

I don't see why tamers should get special treatment over other classes. What's next? Sampire specific powerscrolls?

Kind of missing the boat a little bit? Fist of all I quit taming when I saw the Powerscroll Fiasco, with scrolls costing first 30-40 mils and now 55 million each, certain scrolls, and I don't consider myself as a tamer.
The entire point is that the taming revamp, the scroll part is faulty and it is hurting the game: pets should not be able to use white, player PS. The changes we are discussing are not just for the tamers but for the white PS the way they have become now BECAUSE of the tamers and the tamer revamp. People with lots and lots of UO $$, and people with green$$ (getting them for $30 a pop now at web vendors/dupers) can afford them. An aspiring tamer not interested or inclined in pvp or spending 5-8-10 hours a day doing multiple spawns cannot. This is not asking the devs to favor the tamers, but possibly doing something to remedy this hugely skewed PS system. Its not FOR the tamers IMO, its for UO, try and improve game balance. I frankly think it will be best to take the player PS not usable by pets at all, but choose alternate ways of upgrading or improving pets.

 

[Daemon McCrowley]

We already have sampire specific scrolls. Swords Bushido chiv tactics resist parry.... And they cost just as much as they would if you fed them to a pet.


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[celticus]

We already have sampire specific scrolls. Swords Bushido chiv tactics resist parry.... And they cost just as much as they would if you fed them to a pet.


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Yep.. and now they cost a ton of UO $ : Bushi : 6-8 M, Chiv: 5-7 M, Tactics 55 M, Resist 20-30 M, Parry 20-40 depending on shard...lots pple use anatomy and healing also but theure silly..lol. Samurais heal with special move anyways. But the point is well taken : Costs a ton for pple not having lots of cash, and it should be more attainable, as it has been in the past. The taming revamp messed it all up royally....

 

[cobb]

If pet were made weaker, scroll prices would drop. Problem solved.

 

[Pawain]

If pet were made weaker, scroll prices would drop. Problem solved.

If turning red or grey made your skills drop to 80 with a hard cap of 480 total, we would be fine with scrolls being in Fel.

 

[celticus]

A deafening silence followed...
Mums the word..

 

[Uvtha]

You are right. Nothing has changed but demand. And if like you say the scrolls are easily accessible to all, the supply (number of people farming scrolls) should have increased dramatically.

Right, people don't run spawns. That hasn't changed. If it did, there wouldn't be a problem.

The notion that all of Trammel population (including new players) is so set in their ways that they just refuse to go to friendly Fel out of pure stubbornness is not believable and borderline ridiculous. What is much more believable is that people tried, multiple times and with the same results. I have. On a lesser populated shard. Not on a weekend. At a less popular altar. I still got raided. But hey, tell me how I am just afraid to go to Fel.

But many... many of them come right out and say directly they don't like pvp of any kind and won't go to fel because of it. As to getting raided, yeah you are always eventually going to get raided, no matter what happens. The point is you won't always get raided, or even most of the time. Again, you lost nothing when you got raided but time. Pick a different spot, try again, ideally with a few friends. Elect someone as a scout. Go in as a ghost, or better yet cast exorcism. Go in off hours if possible.

Here's the gist of it - PvPers had a very comfortable racket going for years. Trammies did not like it, but tolerated it and paid the "scroll tax." The pet revamp increased the demand for scrolls by order of magnitude. This moved the scroll racket from being unfair but tolerable to being insane. It should not cost +100M to scroll a pet (or a player for that mater). This situation severely hurts many at the advantage of the few. This is not good for the game and should be fixed.

What can I say, I'm not a pvper, so I can't really speak for them. I can only speak for myself, and refer to good number of people on these forums and those I have met in game over the years who are not pvpers, and who do spawns regularly. And the reality that everyone is scrolled, and anyone who is a tamer does have scrolled pets, if not many scrolled pets. If it were not possible, none of us would be able to do it, but we do it. You need to get better, or at least more tolerant of getting pked on occasion... or deal with the inflation.

In closing 2 things:

1) At like I have said before, and no one really commented on, 120 wrestling scrolls are a waste of money, absolutly not necessary, and wrestling is the ONLY scroll that has it's price dramatically inflated. Simply don't buy them, get a 110, or heck, just leave it at 100 and hold back 200 points for a 110 when you find a cheap one, or get one on your own. You won't notice a radical difference. 120 is literally only 4% chance to hit better than 110.

2) As I said before, I know that more people are not going to run spawns. That's fine. And I am more than amenable to the idea of spawns dropping both more scrolls, as well as pet scrolls (even uncursed if it matters!) on the spawn to make them easy to get. Let's do it! So long as it's all in the current system or a similar fel based system, it's all gucci.

 

[Uvtha]

If turning red or grey made your skills drop to 80 with a hard cap of 480 total, we would be fine with scrolls being in Fel.

People would still prolly get thier assed kicked honestly. Pvping is more about a mindset and being prepared to fight another person, than anything. Pvmers would still run around like chickens with their heads cut off when a red name hits their screen.

 

[Uvtha]

NO WHITE PS for pets at all!! JUST GIVE ALL OR SOME PETS AN AUTOMATIC CAP TO SKILLS/CASTS OF 120!!

I think you should still have to pay for it in training, but I agree, the extra step is just an annoyance. I would be fine with this change. I think it's a good idea in fact.

A big reason I think it's a good idea is that you can mess a pet up pretty easily, as the system is just too unintuitive. You can't reroll a pet or move points around you can on a player, so they really should be more flexible.

 

[Pawain]

People would still prolly get thier assed kicked honestly. Pvping is more about a mindset and being prepared to fight another person, than anything. Pvmers would still run around like chickens with their heads cut off when a red name hits their screen.

Back in the old days I had a macro that said Corp Por. I talked in spell script. It worked on reds or greys also since they thought I got my spell ready first.

run around like chickens with their heads cut off

You mean the way we do when Dark Father is out?

 

[TheDrAJ]

Right, people don't run spawns. That hasn't changed. If it did, there wouldn't be a problem.



In closing 2 things:

1) At like I have said before, and no one really commented on, 120 wrestling scrolls are a waste of money, absolutly not necessary, and wrestling is the ONLY scroll that has it's price dramatically inflated. Simply don't buy them, get a 110, or heck, just leave it at 100 and hold back 200 points for a 110 when you find a cheap one, or get one on your own. You won't notice a radical difference. 120 is literally only 4% chance to hit better than 110.

I could be wrong but I don't think the tamers want 120 wrestle for offense.

 

[celticus]

Right, people don't run spawns. That hasn't changed. If it did, there wouldn't be a problem.



But many... many of them come right out and say directly they don't like pvp of any kind and won't go to fel because of it. As to getting raided, yeah you are always eventually going to get raided, no matter what happens. The point is you won't always get raided, or even most of the time. Again, you lost nothing when you got raided but time. Pick a different spot, try again, ideally with a few friends. Elect someone as a scout. Go in as a ghost, or better yet cast exorcism. Go in off hours if possible.



What can I say, I'm not a pvper, so I can't really speak for them. I can only speak for myself, and refer to good number of people on these forums and those I have met in game over the years who are not pvpers, and who do spawns regularly. And the reality that everyone is scrolled, and anyone who is a tamer does have scrolled pets, if not many scrolled pets. If it were not possible, none of us would be able to do it, but we do it. You need to get better, or at least more tolerant of getting pked on occasion... or deal with the inflation.

In closing 2 things:

1) At like I have said before, and no one really commented on, 120 wrestling scrolls are a waste of money, absolutly not necessary, and wrestling is the ONLY scroll that has it's price dramatically inflated. Simply don't buy them, get a 110, or heck, just leave it at 100 and hold back 200 points for a 110 when you find a cheap one, or get one on your own. You won't notice a radical difference. 120 is literally only 4% chance to hit better than 110.

2) As I said before, I know that more people are not going to run spawns. That's fine. And I am more than amenable to the idea of spawns dropping both more scrolls, as well as pet scrolls (even uncursed if it matters!) on the spawn to make them easy to get. Let's do it! So long as it's all in the current system or a similar fel based system, it's all gucci.

I did not even know of spell exorcism..is that a necro spell? What does it do? (I dont use necro .. apologies for ignorance..)

 

[Caitlyn Snow]

I did not even know of spell exorcism..is that a necro spell? What does it do? (I dont use necro .. apologies for ignorance..)

It’s a necro spell that sends any ghost without a corpse in a champ zone to a shrine(chaos I think). Kind of became a lost spell to a lot of people for a while because never really good conditions for it until the ghost cams got popular. I have a character that has the following template, who I only use for excorsims.
100 Hiding
120 Necro
120 Spirit Speak
40 Stealth (+80 from gear)
100 meditation
40 focus
100 detect hidden
100 tracking

I have him recall to a spot a good distance from a champ zone and stealth walk through the whole thing. GM Spirit speak allows to you to see ghosts even out of war mode. This thing is solely made to find people. I use every bonus I can with detect hidden and tracking. If I see someone or a ghost ( once I found six in fel destard) I cast exorcism. Many times I do it just to piss them off because ghost cams are annoying. Once I’ve cleared the area I leave, and usually move to the next. After an hour of this I usually have annoyed them so much I can bring out a spawner character and do a spawn in peace.

I really have too much free time and and too many empty character slots is the only reason I have built him.


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[Great DC]

The way some of these trammelites talk about these scrolls, you would think they were made out of pure gold buried in an ancient tomb for thousands of years. The other 95% of UO players seem to have gotten their scrolls just fine, I don't see the problem here other then people wanting stuff for free. Maybe one day youll login and your house will be full of 120s and you wont have anything to complain about anymore, oh wait itll just turn to stat scrolls complaining instead.

 

[Caitlyn Snow]

Powerscrolls, annoying but not difficult.
Stat scrolls are a pain. Never once have done a harrower without being raided.


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[Mervyn]

Quit being in the "being raided" mind set, there are plenty of guilds that run apprenticeship programs e.g PRO on Europa who willl supply new players with stat and powerscrolls and elite armour for free on the premise that the player will then assist the guild in scouting and raiding.

 

[Caitlyn Snow]

If only when you block someone that you never have to see anything they ever say.
*sighs and goes back to reading the relevant comments*


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[celticus]

I think you should still have to pay for it in training, but I agree, the extra step is just an annoyance. I would be fine with this change. I think it's a good idea in fact.

A big reason I think it's a good idea is that you can mess a pet up pretty easily, as the system is just too unintuitive. You can't reroll a pet or move points around you can on a player, so they really should be more flexible.

Thank you Uvtha..

The other thing is doing spawns in Fel is hard enough, even for seasoned players. And I have a sneaking suspicion that the big majority of the players in this game are mature. They have a conscience. They detest stealing from others even in a game. Most people that go to Fel spawns cannot do PVP, they have no mindset for this, and their toons are wrong for this

But the pet scroll issue is a real one. Pets are dispensable, they can be lost deleted changed etc. Very painful to lose a scrolled pet, then to have to build and skill and even scroll another one..Also painful to put white PS on players toons due to the price hikes..
Maybe the devs will pay some attention to this.

 

[Uvtha]

The other thing is doing spawns in Fel is hard enough, even for seasoned players. And I have a sneaking suspicion that the big majority of the players in this game are mature. They have a conscience. They detest stealing from others even in a game. Most people that go to Fel spawns cannot do PVP, they have no mindset for this, and their toons are wrong for this

I just think that's a weird way to look at it imo. It IS just a game, and when you go to fel thats what the game was designed to be like. It's supposed to be part of the fun, the thrill. *shrug*

 

[Uvtha]

I could be wrong but I don't think the tamers want 120 wrestle for offense.

It's the same calculation on defense. At best you are only getting 4% more protection 110 vs 120. It's simply not worth 60m. Or even 10m if Im being honest. Especially if you can get a 115.

 

[Uvtha]

You mean the way we do when Dark Father is out?

Is the dark father scary?

 

[celticus]

Use to farm it years ago, had an archer and blue beetle for storage parked in the (not all that safe) room. Was pretty mean then, but I hear nowdays may be more tough..Would be nice to try with a team to see..

 

[celticus]

It drops DF Blood, that is an ingredient for some high priced items also nowdays..dont see that in vendors anywhere so I doubt any1 is farming DF with any frequency..

 

[Caitlyn Snow]

*glances at the chest in the corner with 81 DF blood*

*Shrugs and goes back to stratics*


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[celticus]

*glances at the chest in the corner with 81 DF blood*

*Shrugs and goes back to stratics*


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wow.. you have 81 DF blood? Joking right?

 

[celticus]

Is there a Felucca version of Doom dungeon, Gauntlet and DF?

 

[celticus]

I know that there is a Dragon turtle spawn in Fel. I accessed it behind the 2nd level passage past the snakes near the Shadow wyrm area. There was no spawn at all. But I did not try to activate the spawn, since I was alone.

 

[MalagAste]

Is there a Felucca version of Doom dungeon, Gauntlet and DF?

What for? No one really uses the Tram one but a few thieves, scripters getting the rare items, and the occasional sampire with a death wish.

 

[railshot]

For years I have tolerated the Powder of Fortification tax. I did not like it, but I tolerated it. The imbuing skill greatly increased the need for powder of fortification, and I think POF should drop on all lizard men. For too long the crafters have held a monopoly on this market, hurting all other players to increase the coffers of the few, with their corner on the colored bods and all the rewards. This is not good for the game and should be fixed.

I am also tired of having to pay the single tile soul forge tax. Why should a few 120 fishers have the whole market on white nets? White nets should drop on rats, so we all have a chance to get one.

I am also tired of paying the prism of light tax. Why does this ONE GUY get 10k everytime someone wants to go in that dungeon. We should have a chance to be the dungeon keeper. This should be fixed.

Does this sound ridiculous?

It does sound very ridiculous. Do crafters kill you and take your BODs any time you try to turn them in? No? Then maybe you should try a different analogy.

 

[Caitlyn Snow]

Not joking. I horde supplies, though I’m actually without a mule. I give them as needed to Guild members to craft stuff for me when I have everything together.


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[Caitlyn Snow]

And mind you this has been accumulated over 6 months.


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[whitesmith]

Two ideas, do apologise if they've been mentioned before.

PS drop should consider pre-boss spawn kills; point based? In other words you just don't get a drop for killing the boss only. At least raiders would have to show up a level before boss pops. Also give the people raided to rez up and take boss back. Also, keep people who cleared pre-boss levels in the PS drop pot.

Two, have a new or modify existing spawn that's ONLY doable with pets/tamers.

Love the idea of pets only power scrolls.

 

[Lord Arm]

I don't see a problem with the way things are with scrolls. if u want/need scrolls, do champs or buy them. we don't need to add/change anything. many scrolls even 110s are worth something. we have scroll binders. why destroy another area of the economy. how many pets do u really need? some of my pets without 120s are great and much better than before. I can do anything now. the one thing ive seen is exploited pets are still around. ive seen a cu yesterday with everything I had on my pet had plus more mana, more int and more str and over 800 more hit points than my pet. wth, I thought this was fixed. this pet had
all skills 120
all regens fiull
full amount of resists
full str, dex and stam
I cant remember the exact int and mana but was way more than mine
1594 hit points, yes I said 1594 hit points. wth, what have the devs done or not done.
I thought this was fixed, was I lied to?

 

[Slayvite]

I thought this was fixed, was I lied to?

Yes.

 

[Tyrath]

I don't see a problem with the way things are with scrolls. if u want/need scrolls, do champs or buy them. we don't need to add/change anything. many scrolls even 110s are worth something. we have scroll binders. why destroy another area of the economy. how many pets do u really need? some of my pets without 120s are great and much better than before. I can do anything now. the one thing ive seen is exploited pets are still around. ive seen a cu yesterday with everything I had on my pet had plus more mana, more int and more str and over 800 more hit points than my pet. wth, I thought this was fixed. this pet had
all skills 120
all regens fiull
full amount of resists
full str, dex and stam
I cant remember the exact int and mana but was way more than mine
1594 hit points, yes I said 1594 hit points. wth, what have the devs done or not done.
I thought this was fixed, was I lied to?

Look around enough and you can find some 2.5k hp pets and from what I understand the Devs are well aware of their existence and how they are made.

 

[whitesmith]

Look around enough and you can find some 2.5k hp pets and from what I understand the Devs are well aware of their existence and how they are made.

LOL
I wanna know how they're made...

 

[LessaT]

I have played on 2 shards for over 19 years, I would have left if they hadn't made Trammel. I'm glad the Felluca people get to do what they want and I am willing to pay for items I'd just as soon not go after. But since the new taming training started, I vendor search for scrolls and the only thing that shows up are archery, fencing and the like. Oh I did find a level lll tamer mastery for 100 mil. Fortunately I did get all levels of tamer mastery and magery myself. My point is that most times the scrolls are not available on vendors at any price. I want to have fun, not trying to avoid the reds or theives after a two hour spawn. For those of you who enjoy that kind of play, I'm glad it's available to you. It's just not my kind of fun. I have 3 accounts and over 30 chars, spread over the shards and 19 years speaks volumes about my enjoyment of UO. If we have another way to obtain pet only PS, I think everything would balance itself in a resonable period of time. After some training and mob killing a noobie could actually buy PS for their chars and get those coveted high skills. This is the way we all started and they should be allowed to work their way up as well without spending rl green $ which most of us work really hard for. - Just an old vets personal opinion.

 

[skittles1337]

I have played on 2 shards for over 19 years, I would have left if they hadn't made Trammel. I'm glad the Felluca people get to do what they want and I am willing to pay for items I'd just as soon not go after. But since the new taming training started, I vendor search for scrolls and the only thing that shows up are archery, fencing and the like. Oh I did find a level lll tamer mastery for 100 mil. Fortunately I did get all levels of tamer mastery and magery myself. My point is that most times the scrolls are not available on vendors at any price. I want to have fun, not trying to avoid the reds or theives after a two hour spawn. For those of you who enjoy that kind of play, I'm glad it's available to you. It's just not my kind of fun. I have 3 accounts and over 30 chars, spread over the shards and 19 years speaks volumes about my enjoyment of UO. If we have another way to obtain pet only PS, I think everything would balance itself in a resonable period of time. After some training and mob killing a noobie could actually buy PS for their chars and get those coveted high skills. This is the way we all started and they should be allowed to work their way up as well without spending rl green $ which most of us work really hard for. - Just an old vets personal opinion.

So move to a shard that is active, or buy the scrolls from an active shard? The dev team isn't going to change anything, Mesanna already said that she would never move powerscrolls to tram. I personally wrote Kyronix an email before the whole taming publish asking him if he could make separate scrolls for pets. He eventually got back to me, saying this system is a better way to use current resources. So either way things are going to stay the same, farm shadowguard or EM events so you can purchase powerscrolls. You can always come to fel and try to spawn, everyone is welcome!

 

[MalagAste]

So move to a shard that is active, or buy the scrolls from an active shard? The dev team isn't going to change anything, Mesanna already said that she would never move powerscrolls to tram. I personally wrote Kyronix an email before the whole taming publish asking him if he could make separate scrolls for pets. He eventually got back to me, saying this system is a better way to use current resources. So either way things are going to stay the same, farm shadowguard or EM events so you can purchase powerscrolls. You can always come to fel and try to spawn, everyone is welcome!

You can't purchase scrolls that are NEVER on Vendors. Honestly it's sad. Either everyone is keeping them... or something... You can search all day long and not find anything but fighting scrolls, swords, archery, etc... Rare to find anything pet useful.

And the other annoying thing... used to be before the publish Wrestling 120's dropped all the time... now it's a cold day in hades before one drops.

 

[railshot]

why destroy another area of the economy.

It would energize this area of economy by opening it up to everyone rather than select few. This is what happens every time you break up a monopoly.

how many pets do u really need?

Personaly I need dozens. Many dozens. Why there should be a limit? I want to experiment with many different builds and starting stats. I want to have many different pets for many different jobs. I want to keep doing it indefinitely because that is a big part of my gameplay.
Until I saw what devs did with the stable slots, I thought that was the whole point of the taming publish. Because while I am putting together my 50th pet, I am not looking at other MMOs.

 

[Lythos-]

Should be left. Each playstyle has it's own reward that forces us to interact with those that don't share our specific styles. The game has been slowly dying since everyone became self sufficient. There are scroll binders to use for those that aren't willing to take that risk in fel. There are numerous no risk ways to collect gold and swap for scrolls even though I see very little reason to use them other than a show of status. Scrolling pets to compete is not an absolute must have, it's a must want.

 

[MalagAste]

Should be left. Each playstyle has it's own reward that forces us to interact with those that don't share our specific styles. The game has been slowly dying since everyone became self sufficient. There are scroll binders to use for those that aren't willing to take that risk in fel. There are numerous no risk ways to collect gold and swap for scrolls even though I see very little reason to use them other than a show of status. Scrolling pets to compete is not an absolute must have, it's a must want.

Obviously spoken by a NON tamer... Discord doesn't work for crap if it's not at 120 (On a Bard as well, no bard in their right mind would go with just GM Discord)... Pets don't do crap for damage if they don't have 120 wrestling... (Unless you are going to be satisfied trying to take down something with 10K hp at 24 to 34 each hit) etc... They can do far more with the pet scrolled up ...... If all I needed my pets for was killing worthless crap like balrons and such yeah fine... don't need it scrolled up... but 95% of the things worth trying to kill or do will eat your pet and spit it out in .2 seconds if you don't scroll it up. This includes the mobs on the Roof, Anything in Doom, Champs (which any PvPer will tear your pet to pieces and your pet can't do crap to fight back because it's been nerfed to uselessness)... EM Mobs, Peerless mobs and anything else worthwhile...