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I would imagine this is a low occurrence since it's only be feasible with 14+ year vets on low populated shards.I just think its funny that players on low pop shards, have to go to Atl to buy items that were farmed on those same low pop shards, and then transferred to Atl, so they can be bought and then transferred back and used.
They'd be smart to do a short sale on these during the release of publish 97.
Give it 3 or 4 days and turn off the spigot.
Win/win
When did the store stop selling transfer tokens ?
Why would you spend $40 to buy an item off shard?
You nor anyone else.I wouldn't.
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Let's revise that estimate a bit. You'd be spending $40 per character you needed to get scrolls for, so potentially $280 per server, per account.
This would destroy scroll prices inside a month or two. there would be so many farming in trammel that magery 120 would cost 500K. then no one would do spawns anymore unless they have to scroll a character. spawns would be become dead content. horrid idea
That's a line of BS... How do you know that??? It has already been this way for years with the gluttony of scrolls out there...
It won't change a thing it'll just give newer players and returning players less of a hassle in getting them for themselves...
NO one will be forced to pay the over inflated prices for them is all... those who want immediate satisfaction will still pay for it.
Sure that'd also be true, however this was based off the previous example from Uriah (?) where they transferred to a shard for a single item.
Again, powerscrolls are a Fel based system.
If people do not want to play a Fel based system they have the other 95% of game content to play.
Don't think it was me, I pay monthly for 3 accounts...and that's about all they get from me =)
But realistically, with the shields, I have gone to GL or Atl for specific items that I couldn't find on Legends, or couldn't find qty of.
And then how are they going to get powerscrolls???
Then they have to pay for them... and if you don't want to do vendors... you can't sell anything.... therefore making money in the game is nearly impossible ... some people enjoy just being self sufficient and not being forced to rely on others. I personally don't want to pay someone large amounts of gold for something I ought to be able to get on my own.
And I know I'm not alone in that... Doesn't cost me gold to farm it myself... but then I have to put up with every twit on the shard wanting to PvP... I don't want to fight anyone. If I wanted to do that I'd join VvV...
If I didn't have to go to Fel to get a decent PS or Mastery I wouldn't. But some DEV thinks that I should have to be some sheep for slaughter and that will some how make my gaming experience better... Well it doesn't... just serves to piss me off.
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On another board they call it Non Consensual PVP and are making it a big push to have PS shard bound. The theory is by locking these down to a shard it will force more people on a shard into Fel.
I guess my problem with this is that under the guise of "helping a shards economy" (which the move doesn't) a group of people are pushing the agenda so they have more targets to harass in Fel. They are pushing very hard getting the word out to submit your feedback that you are for making PS shard bound.
If you are against the idea. I would recommend rallying your troops and getting your feedback in as well.
Personally I feel its a silly idea that would not really make a difference in a shards economy at all. My feedback has already been provided to the Dev team around that.
Don't recall who it was and I assume they had transfer shield tokens.
Thought it was you.
There is quite a bit of ground between supply being so low that Atlantic sucks up all scrolls from all shards leaving everyone else empty handed, and a market so saturated the scrolls are worthless. Easy enough to adjust the drop rate.
Right now the dev's think there is a supply and demand problem. The demand seems to be too much higher than the supply. Creating a system where people can meet the demand in a way that is fun seems like a good idea to me.
Making money is extremely easy when you have access to 95% of the game content with no chance of PVP.
Don't confuse preference with necessity.
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I would expect them to make that decision based on Data. How many PS's are being issued by which shards.
If they are not being issued then the shard is not working the spawn. If they are being issued, what is the use rate of the item on the shard. consumed vs merged.
Don't be mistaken, this wasn't anyone's idea but the devs that I'm aware of.
Yeah, I browsed the HOT forums, and primarily Link seems to be in favor of power scrolls being shard bound over there.
They also took credit for getting the devs to incorporate power scrolls into the pet revamps.
I think both are pretty ****ty ideas.
LOL this isn't even a debate. Only changing power scrolls isn't gonna fix the economy alone. All packpack drops need to be shard bound to fix the economy. Trammel has a ridiculous amount of content which would pay for all your scroll needs with one or two drops. Noone has to run spawns as it is now, you can get a slither or cameo drop and sell it and scroll an entire character or two depending on the template. Personally I think primers should be fel only as well. Seems people that are against this want the game to fail and shutdown. LOL
Yeah that's one way to fix it.
I'm not in favor of making everything shard bound when they can just fix the initial problem of shard transfers.
NO it would not. I am so tired hearing we need reward to PvP and all this BS about Risk V Reward when the only people RISKING anything are the toons set up to do the spawn (PvMers) and the PKers (they call themselves PvPers) come in and kill the PvMers and steal everything, what a joke. This will take away all our goodies in FEL.
I've done Medusa 100's of times and I never got a slither... done the roof a few times got 1 drop first time.... never gotten anything there since... so while you all think this is easy I'll say for MOST normal players Non-power games ..... it is NOT easy....
I'd rather the game did shut down than see it swirl the drain
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No it won't but it's a start. First you pick one item, once people see it's not the end of the world you do it again with some other items... but you have to start somewhere.
Incorrect...You'd be able to easily run 4 X-Healing Sampires and do them all day afk...look at blackthorn..useless
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I don't afk UO... and I have a sampire... I'd rather never play one. I could infact run 3 4 x-healing sampire sets but I will not.
You complain you can't hit with an archer, it was never an accusation that you would..other people would and the market would be FLOOOOODED in a matter of weeks.
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Highly doubtful... with the amount of spawns being done now on dead shards and everywhere else there already is a glut of scrolls .... with the number that have been duped and such over the years... and how many I know are stacked up and stored up in house after house in Tram and Fel on every shard... I seriously doubt what you are saying is true.
Problem is getting something like magery, taming, or eval 120 is slim to none between getting 4000 wrestling, macefighting, and other scrolls no one wants....
and I for one am sick and tired of hearing what crap is worth and IMO that's the worst thing wrong with the game anymore ... it's not about helping others, having fun with a group and helping the guild and your friends it's all about making a buck and what every little thing is worth...
and I for one am sick and tired of hearing what crap is worth and IMO that's the worst thing wrong with the game anymore ... it's not about helping others, having fun with a group and helping the guild and your friends it's all about making a buck and what every little thing is worth...
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Based on the power scroll vendors I've seen on several shards I assumed these PS were duped pretty heavily.
Always stocked the same way and in a specific order.
Never out of stock
Always stocked the same way and in a specific order.
Never out of stock
This is why we can't agree on how the economy works within the game because you have such a limited scope of how the game works.
The shard transferring system is used religiously in this game by not just the 15 year vets, but also those who KNOW the 15 year vets. Items are piggy backed to and from atl on a regular and consistent daily basis, and for bigger trips, transfers are used.
All those shard downs and reverts don't happen without a reason. Wait until after the pet changes...I am sure blue beetle popularity will be on the rise in a few tight circles.
@Mesanna and UO staff. You are all nuts to think that shard binding items will fix your issues. Perhaps if you all weren't so interested in artificially inflating the number of people online for EA, you might actually be concerned with what the multibotters are doing to ruin the experience for the rest of us.
So you want to shard bind items to curb the boxers and the bots? How about you just say no to multiboxers and fix the actual problem...instead of just trying to put a damn band aid on everything potentially destroying the game as we know it for everyone else.
The numbers on paper may look good atm with all the boxers logged in, but wait until a large swath of players leave taking their 10+ paying accounts with them as you continue to look the other way in the pursuit of profit. (ironically, math would prove more will be lost than gained over time)
So you want to shard bind items to curb the boxers and the bots? How about you just say no to multiboxers and fix the actual problem...instead of just trying to put a damn band aid on everything potentially destroying the game as we know it for everyone else.
The numbers on paper may look good atm with all the boxers logged in, but wait until a large swath of players leave taking their 10+ paying accounts with them as you continue to look the other way in the pursuit of profit. (ironically, math would prove more will be lost than gained over time)
The idea to shard lock PSs in order to alleviate low population on shards reminds me of the introduction of shard shields. The same "Lets take a bad situation and make it much worse." Just like players with shields suck the life out of economies of the lesser populated shards, shard locking PSs will just allow local PK guilds to have that much more of a monopoly on an essential resource. More people would quit or move to Atl because at least there is competition between PvP guilds there.
There are two reasons people leave lesser populated shards:
1) They like a busy shard
2) They can't handle non-existent economy on shards other than Atlantic.
Not much can be done with #1. And it's as it should be. Some people like crowds, others like peace and quiet.
However, the economy can be fixed or at least propped up. The radical solution is give everyone access to other shad's markets. You can make it in a form of temporary (30 min) transfer available to everyone. Making it temporary will still preserve the value of shard shields while remove the aspect that was abused from it. Alternatively, make a virtual AH accessible to all.
A simpler half measure would be to remove weekly fees from vendors. I'd be happy to sell what I can on my shard, but because most items take a month or more to find their buyer regardless of how I price them - it's rather pointless. Charge a percentage for each sale but get rid of weekly fees.
I think if you implement something like that, Atlantic will still remain the most populous, but you will see a healthy jump in population in other shards.
There are two reasons people leave lesser populated shards:
1) They like a busy shard
2) They can't handle non-existent economy on shards other than Atlantic.
Not much can be done with #1. And it's as it should be. Some people like crowds, others like peace and quiet.
However, the economy can be fixed or at least propped up. The radical solution is give everyone access to other shad's markets. You can make it in a form of temporary (30 min) transfer available to everyone. Making it temporary will still preserve the value of shard shields while remove the aspect that was abused from it. Alternatively, make a virtual AH accessible to all.
A simpler half measure would be to remove weekly fees from vendors. I'd be happy to sell what I can on my shard, but because most items take a month or more to find their buyer regardless of how I price them - it's rather pointless. Charge a percentage for each sale but get rid of weekly fees.
I think if you implement something like that, Atlantic will still remain the most populous, but you will see a healthy jump in population in other shards.
Well first, shard shields are 14 year vet rewards.
Second, you have a very small grasp of economics to begin with, which is why we will probably never reach a consensus.
Third, that response was a reply to a specific example where the character transferred to ATL for one item and back.
So please, just stop, you're not doing yourself any favors.
Shard Binding PS will not stop MultiBoxing, in fact it will encourage it even more so the select few that MultiBox will try to control all PSs on every shard and make everybody pay Atl prices anyways.
Again, you are arguing semantics. Second, I have an educated view of how the economy works in this game...I personally got to see how it worked from a *top down* perspective. As a broker you get to see stuff like this, because you work with the currency and the goods on a daily basis for years. Unfortunately for me, I cannot teach you to see how the game works because you have no interest in learning the process, or even hearing that you might be wrong. This game's economy does not work like the real world's economy...you can't dupe yourself and work two jobs at the same time for instance...
Third, who cares how many items it is...your example hardly explained your reply.
Stop? It is active discussion which helps facilitate growth and understanding...refusing to see things from other perspectives does not. But I digress, 50 years on this earth is hardly enough time to learn all there is to know...
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Seems to me the best solution is to ban multiboxing. Win win!
Hard to ban something that they are clueless to what it is. LOL
Semantics? No, you're taking snippets of conversation and applying a different context to them. If there's any "semantics" to this, it's because you're not reading the entire thread, let alone have any idea what you're talking about. I didn't have to explain what I meant to you, everyone else that followed the conversation already knew what I was referring to. Especially when it was a response to Garth in regards to the same example.
Further, if you're a broker, you must have slept through economics 101...especially if you cannot even gauge what happens when you flood currency into a market. I mean you could probably even google that.
There's no growth to be had based on false syllogisms.
They know exactly what it is...an artificial boost to active population counts.
It is semantics when you need to correct someone on the exact year of a shard shield. I don't give two shakes if a shard shield is 14 years or 15 years...the point is moot to me and has no bearing on what I said.
Second, I was responding to you...the rest of it was TLDR...IDC.
Third, I learned the economics of the sandbox by playing in it. Brokering 10 years gives you insight into many areas of the game that 99.5% of the populace have no idea about...yourself included. In fact, I learned too much, got burnt out, and left for many years because I saw how things were being manipulated.
Fourth, my reason for initially posting was to make complaint of these manipulations with the purpose bringing what I know to light. Instead, I get to face opposition from people like you who want to debate semantics instead of facing the actual issues hampering the game we supposedly all enjoy.
Fifth, want to see this game get flushed? Dissuade people like me from posting. You don't seem to get that some of us are here to attempt to save the damn game.
Oh yes they do. They keep PvP chars on most if not all shards and monitor the spawining areas. The moment they see a target they alert their buddies and login to the shard in question. They may not watch 24/7 but they definitely do it during normal hours and they do it enough to make spawning pointless unless you have protection.
Do you even know what semantics means? Yes the year is relevant, because when you directly quoted me saying they were 14 years, you then stated 15, meaning your comprehension didn't even register to begin with.
The problem is, that it was "TLDR" for you which again, put the statement out of context for you. But you replied without having a clue anyways didn't you?
Also, there's no way you can be a broker. Even the few courses I had over 15 years ago gave me a better understanding of it than you do, or you wouldn't have made the proposterous suggestion about event items earlier in the thread.
In fact do you even wonder why I said they're not tangible?
To your final point, you replied to me, which again had nothing to do with the game. you took a swipe at me and my "limited scope."
But by all means, stop posting, you have no idea what you're talking about.
It's not possible to dupe powerscrolls unless they've changed them drastically. They are created differently than say a bank check. A bank check has a solid "Value" powerscrolls are created through a StringValue or something I can't really remember I could go through screenshots, and private message it. Think about them the same as items dropped off of Monsters. If you duped a non static i.e. "Artifact" item like a leather tunic with crazy mods and resists after duping it, it would just be it's plain static graphic a base leather tunic. Hope that helps..duping and being able to chain spawn after spawn on dead Shards then transferring are two different beasts. Both are extremely harmful to any economy..
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Wait, one minute you ask me if I know what semantics means, then the next you tell me the semantics are relevant? Make up your damn mind. As I stated, 14 or 15 is irrelevant to a person playing on an 8 year old account. My others are older, but less developed...
I was responding to you directly, and rather than respond directly you chose to obfuscate your response...which is why this banter has gone off the rails via another of your trollfests.
Who is taking what out of context here. I said the economy was based on the rares market, and then I expanded on that and tried to explain how the latest EM items were testament to how skewed the market is atm. I stated that due to EM items going for rock bottom prices, the rest of the market suffered. I then said this was directly related to multiboxer's manipulating the market for their own gains. One of these individuals is Treyster, who runs 10 accounts at every event.
No way I was a broker? Why don't you ask Nails, Manticore, or how about Nabin, or any of a dozen or so collectors, traders, and brokers who were around 2011 and before? I provided a service intended to help keep people safe from unscrupulous trades, what did you have to offer this game?
Do you think I didn't notice? Unfortunately in terms of the game's reality, it all has tangibility. If I can interact with it, move it, manipulate it, or be blocked by it, the game would consider the items to be *tangible*.
You do indeed have a limited notion of how things work, it is called ignorance. That isn't a swipe at you, it is a swipe at the way you choose (in this case, choose to ignore) to interpret facts.
FYI, I have been a part of stratics since 2001 trying to be an active part of the community...how about you?
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Your lack of comprehension is not a matter of semantics.
Why would I make an argument for something based out of context? You drew a false conclusion because you didn't read the thread and expected me to argue in favor it? This is like you asking me about inflation and me replying "peanut butter".
LOL. For your benefit, it also means arriving at an approximate value. If you ever been to event and see them spamming the item anywhere between 100m and 400m you'd understand what i was getting at.
You sir, are truely conflicted, and judging by post counts in that matter, I have been more active than you. Ever wonder about the banners under my username? Where's yours?