No, he's right.Troll much, or is it just my posts you like to come at me with? Lol have fun
No, he's right.Troll much, or is it just my posts you like to come at me with? Lol have fun
Troll much, or is it just my posts you like to come at me with? Lol have fun
Shut down one forum, another one pops up. This has been proven time and time again here and in other places. *sigh* People love to pancake. So if you don't wanna see the pancake threads, don't read them.The best way to get people playing UO would be to shut down the pancake forums. It gets really old to the point people really don't play much anymore.
The devs (of this and many other games) always request bugs to be sent directly to them via their official channels. although the UO team took their sweet time in implementing that practice, that is the OFFICIAL way to get bugs (real or imagined) to the devs' collective attention. Why people don't get this is beyond me.147,918,417 Proven, Known, BUGS the devs won't fix, most of which are imaginary, the bulk of the bugs are in the EC which should have died the same way the Third dawn client did. Ask people to post about bugs, you'll get most ashat EC problems.
As far as replies to pancake posts, if you were a Dev, would you put up with the crap you throw their way very long? Likely not.
The only way I'm going to enjoy playing UO more is to stay the bleep out of these forums until the next expansion comes along. What an f***ing impression these forums must give potential new players.
In the words of Dennis Miller, "I am outta here!"
I know some highly qualified people that strongly disagree with you Anyway it should read pancaking in some instances as pancakes doesn't fit the flow of the sentence as welljust saying you guys aren't going crazy lol.
Here, here! I agree wholeheartedly! However pancakes, moanin, and bashin' have been raised to an art form around here.
It is a good thought.
You are one of the worst offenders "around here" . Every other week its a new thread with you complaining about how someone did something to you in game and about how you are going to quit, yet again.
I totally agree with you on the subject of Broadsword making their own forum. As it stands, they are trying to "reinvent the wheel " in regards to their attempt at a "wiki".I remember when that happened to me years ago with "IIRC". I looked it up and was like aha, then started seeing it everywhere. Had to look up SMH a few months ago too.
More on topic, @Kirthag I'd probably be on the official forums if UO decided to have those, as has been rumored. No offense toward Stratics staff at all, but I would probably want to be wherever I felt the most direct connection to the studio. There is kind of a "$%@& the police!" vibe that has always been deeply ingrained in Stratics with regard to the devs, long before the current Stratics staff came into being. I never related much to that vibe, and despite many players being almost twenty years older, the vibe lives on, usually just for its own sake and tradition. It sometimes makes me cranky at posters and only the staff knows how many posts I delete a few minutes after my dignity takes hold.
That being said, I actually kind of hope Broadsword doesn't elect to have an official forum. I can only imagine what a time sink it would be, what kinds of drama it would lead to, and what it would take away from actual development hours. Since they are a small team, and the game has already outlived many expectations for the publisher, I hope Broadsword will use the resources they have to the greatest effect. As much as I would appreciate an official forum, it may be asking for trouble.
It usually isn't. For instance a CR typically tracks forum feedback by reading through a suggestion's thread, and taking note of how many players agreed or disagreed with the suggestion, or fell somewhere in between. Players who came back five times to call the devs ruffians or to argue with other posters get their feedback counted once, just like anyone else. By the time those notes make it back to team leads, they are probably bereft of TimberWolf's requests for Mesanna to quit.I believe I would rather see forum members speaking up aggressively against the UO staff and the work they do, when it necessary to get the point across.
I'm ever grateful for UOGuide, but I've relied on UO.com's wiki more and more and in some ways it's giving UOGuide a run for its money. A big part of that is due to Petra's help, I recently discovered. I'm not too worried about their wiki being a time sink, because it's practical really--no game should be without an official instruction manual. Fan wikis should fill in the deeper secrets of play.I will always use Stratics for forums and UOGuide for a wiki first and foremost. It might not be a bad thing to have an official partnership with Stratics and UOGuide for each to respectively become supported by Broadsword so they can focus more on UO than these types of resources.
I can see how the two linked, might be badI doubt I'll ever post on an official forum again if they tie posting accounts to game accounts like they used to.
LOL, you never learned how to play the forum game...laI never got banned/suspended for in-game conduct, but you can bet your ass my game account was blocked for forums infractions two out of every three days.
This is why people shout or even why children lose their temper: they do not feel they're being heard.IMO people would be less inclined to get rude and upset and complain if there was some sort of indication that their "issues" were being heard and resolved or at least given an explanation of why something is the way it is.
EA probably has all 5 of them locked in a shipping container and are dropping gruel and water in through a hatch.I wonder if the dev team would consider creating a behind the scenes type video (or let a gaming fan site do it)? So many of us have no idea what its like to work in a game developer office. What does everybody do while their in the office, what do their cubes (or offices) look like? Give those people who think it's easy to do their job with a limited staff really see behind the curtain.
Speaking of players that never learned how to play the forum game......LOL, you never learned how to play the forum game...la
I was also like 15-16 when the official forums closed...LOL, you never learned how to play the forum game...la
Ok, so there is plenty of talk about how to bring back old players or bring in new players. In my opinion, with all the bickering and flaming going on about the game and about the devs; if I was a new or returning player and were to read all of this, I would be very hesitant to come play. With these thoughts, it would seem that the players themselves, at least some of those posting here, would be the ones keeping anyone from playing this game that are either new or returning.
I have one suggestion: Let's stop trying to make UO sound so negative. While there are some issues currently (like no game has issues), they are not issues that will stop me from playing and certainly not things I will so vehemently bash the Devs about.
If anyone does not like this game that much, please just stop paying and leave. You are not contributing to anything and while we do pay to play, no one owes us and we own no one anything. If you are unhappy, make your stance by leaving and not paying.
I am happy with this game, while I do miss some of the things from the past. Eodon is not one of my favorite expansions at all but I will not be disrespectful to anyone over this like I see people on here being disrespectful.
In the end, if we all could be a little more respectful, it would be a much better experience.
Ooh really? Lol. No idea how you can't to that wrong guess.I bet you live in trammel
This is why people shout or even why children lose their temper: they do not feel they're being heard.
One question I was tempted to ask during the recent Stratics buy-out campaign was how much Stratics was being paid each month by Broadsword given that, unlike EVERY MMO ON PLANET EARTH, they have no community site and no community managers. In this era community management ranks on par with development. Even the most detached online game publisher - the ones that become simple game site aggregators shoveling Korean games onto western audiences - have community managers and these folks shave every dollar, every Euro, every Yen. But NOT COMMUNITY MANAGEMENT and not in a single language, but in every tongue spoken by customers.
Community managers - good ones - exist for even the third tier online games on Steam. And the last guy let go from a Ukrainian offering (a decent game that never gained traction) like Epic Arena was their community manager. This is the online game business RIGHT NOW and we have not a one. Stratics does that for us. We do that for us.
Sorry for the speech. Sorry for channeling the late Christopher Hitchens. But people, even good people, when feeling powerless behave like fishes: they devour one another.
So I ask the question, always this question: how do I win from here? If Stratics is not getting monthly income from BS they need to demand it, along with very specific levels of developer participation. If they don't get it, go dark. Strike.
Long way of saying I agree with the orignal post. Remember such matters take a bit of discipline. And when a fellow traveler here inspires fantasies of pipe wrenches and facial bone fractures consider that circumstances are reasonably manipulating you. And resist.
We, all of us, have something in common with everyone else here that we will never find again in any online game.
If you are suggesting that it is so bad in UO... Stop paying and find another experience to get your kicks. Your unfounded attack is odd but I have thick skin so LOLZIf a waiter serves me fish when I have ordered and paid for Steak of the menu, I will send it back. If they continue to bring me fish everyday I eat at the restaurant after ordering steak, I will ask to speak to the manager and the cook and start telling people thinking of patronising the restaurant about the poor service I have had and would eat elsewhere.
You obviously have never been through one of the reverts.
IDK what you are trying to make a point of because when I order steak, I get steak. Then again, I get what I want and no one looks at me like I should get less. Lol jk. Was trying to sound big ya, let's keep this in the best interest of UO and our community. Attacking others has nothing to do with UO or our community. Respect is what it all revolves around. Let's work as a team to better everything and not attach those that try to see the brighter side.If a waiter serves me fish when I have ordered and paid for Steak of the menu, I will send it back. If they continue to bring me fish everyday I eat at the restaurant after ordering steak, I will ask to speak to the manager and the cook and start telling people thinking of patronising the restaurant about the poor service I have had and would eat elsewhere.
You obviously have never been through one of the reverts.
Dictionaries are all fine and dandy.It's a game "forum"
forum
ˈfɔːrəm/
noun
noun: forum; plural noun: forums; plural noun: fora
1.
a meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.
If people have opinions about a game either positive or negative they use a forum like stratics,
If you only want positive feedback put up a bulletin board on your trammel house delete or edit the ones you don't like.
Yup. I purchased Diablo 3 & Reaper of Souls yesterday. Entered my code for RoS properly, but when I went into the game, it said I wasn't upgraded. E-mailed Blizzard support, got a response earlier. They wanted more info on my issue, so I linked to a thread that answered my problem, and told them I'd contact them again if that didn't work.Takes 5 seconds. Honestly... Stop making excuses for them. Kyronix while he does try I think is the only one who really understands.
They NEED a PR person. How about this..... You go to see your doctor he probably has 2000 patients or more... he has time to send you a note saying he got your xrays and everything was fine. You go to your service company to have your car fixed they take the time to call you and tell you what is wrong..... they work on how many cars?
I'm not talking about writing a freaking thesis on it. I'm talking about a simple acknowledgement. One 2 second line, even if it's a cut and paste... Don't make excuses for poor customer service. It's bad enough we don't even have a GM cue anymore to tell you every once in awhile that they got your message... now you send a PM for a GM and you get NOTHING... for days, weeks months... finally by the time you've forgotten you even paged a GM you might get a response. God forbid you might need actual timely assistance.
Been a regular (off and on) on gamefaqs since 2001, along with a few others. A few months ago, gamefaqs turned off the long-standing profanity filter (but you can't go overboard on it); for the most part, everyone that posts there is, at the minimum, 18. On certain forums over there (let's say the Anime/Manga portion of the site), the posters have been there for several years (at least a decade.) There's debate & some smack talk throughout the site, but it's civil for the most part. On another, which I haven't gone to in a while...well, let's just say egos run rampant.Is this the only game forum you have visited? Honest question.
You make excellent points. And I'm guilty of a rantI do concur.. but there never has been any formalized agreement between Broadsword in Stratics. I suspect there never will be any sort of formal agreement between Broadsword and Stratics simply due to the nature of the ownership now - by the community and for the community. A private owner (or one driven by profit) would be wanting to work out a formal agreement... and yes, I remember it being attempted quite a few times. Never happened, in part, due to the nature of these boards and the toxicity found within. In another part due to funding.
I belong to quite a few other official gaming communities and the moderation on their boards are very heavy - WoW is even to the point where your post will NOT even be submitted if certain key terms are in the post. Honestly - Stratics would flail around like a fish out of water if it were to become the formal and official boards for UO. Instead, Stratics has the freedom to do with as it wishes, as dictated by the community - not a bunch of penny counters who don't even touch a game in some office somewhere (meaning corporate offices like EA).
Does this community even think it would be welcomed by the corporates at EA? Will the corporates even glance at Stratics as something viable?
Seriously, no.
I fully agree Broadswords needs to "get with the times" and develop their own community site/forum. They are kinda starting to with the wiki and faltering newletter. Wthout a professional managing the PR and such fulltime, and ONLY the PR and such (Mesanna, you are just so bogged down - you need to let some of that go), they will fail as they have in the past.
I honestly feel like this is the best board I visit in terms of how people behave, not coincidentally it's the only forum I use regularly anymore. Most people here are adults, and mature, the forum is well modded, and there are tools to regulate content you don't want to read. If you want to see a horrible message board, visit a MLB forum. Unmodded and full of infantile and idiotic man-children, and trolling dedication that borders on psychosis. It's annoying when you just want to talk about baseball, and a cadre of misfits busts in and derails every conversation with what I can only refer to as fantasy. :/Been a regular (off and on) on gamefaqs since 2001, along with a few others. A few months ago, gamefaqs turned off the long-standing profanity filter (but you can't go overboard on it); for the most part, everyone that posts there is, at the minimum, 18. On certain forums over there (let's say the Anime/Manga portion of the site), the posters have been there for several years (at least a decade.) There's debate & some smack talk throughout the site, but it's civil for the most part. On another, which I haven't gone to in a while...well, let's just say egos run rampant.
It's a game "forum"
forum
ˈfɔːrəm/
noun
noun: forum; plural noun: forums; plural noun: fora
1.
a meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.
If people have opinions about a game either positive or negative they use a forum like stratics,
If you only want positive feedback put up a bulletin board on your trammel house delete or edit the ones you don't like.
I don't use or know much about Reddit. Never been there other then reading this article but articles suggest accounts at EA were hacked through Reddit.I use .. Reddit,
I agree 100%, now come here you big trammie and lets hug it out.My main point, you never really know who someone is and if you have certain abilities, best that things do not get stupid. This why we should all be respectful. We can disagree every time but don't be that guy.
"Nice die", "You suck", "quit pvp", "nice dodge" (all of which I use, unless provoked) etc. is fine, IMO. When people go overboard on the sh*t-talking and get particularly nasty, it should be dealt with by the GM's...which isn't happening.I agree 100%, now come here you big trammie and lets hug it out.
Back on topic I think people being derogatory in chat and game makes it more interesting, there's too much PC bs irl already why drag this into a game.