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It is exactly what it is meant to be.
The difference here is and I'll put this as clearly as I can... this is a game.
It's not a way of life (although many, myself included, believed it to be once) or something that is life changing. Most normal people could stand to use a bit of change here and there. Most normal people do not prefer to play the same game over and over and over and over again. If we did we'd all be playing candyland still.
Vapd, the game you love was going to be closed. It's gone. It's done. No matter what it's over. It's not the "cheerleaders" fault. The cheerleaders didn't like the way the game was, it got lame, it got boring it got....
(On a side note, that smiley is from studly @ dot calm... i know its become very very popular here. )
So really i'd like to know, is you being able to play your game. "You" being the minority more important than someone else being able to play theirs. Is it fair to the majority that the game is lost all together b/c the minority says "no fair I am taking my dollies and going home?"
For over a year I read these forums and watched people all but beg (no actually they begged too) and threaten and scream for new updates. For change. For city merges b/c the cities were dead. Every single thing I have seen implemented or planned to be implemented is the same things I have seen discussed and asked for over and over and over again on these very forums.
Now they are happening. I have seen some people who were completely fed up with EA (excuse me if I throw in your name Dutch America and Carrie as you both come to mind) and made no effort to hide the fact that they were displeased, turn around and actually support the changes. There are many more of course but it's moot.
The bottom line is what EA is changing "we" the collective "we" have asked for. If you were not active during that point, or if you were the minority, that is I suppose unfortunate. But that is the way the world works.
You have two options (well immediate options)
1) you can quit.
2) you can suggest constructively things you would like to be kept.
If those suggestions are within the majority and feasible EA will pass them through. If they are not, they will drop them.
"You" the general you, can intimate all you want that I am a nasty, obnoxious, or downright rude person. Many will agree, even those who call me a friend.
I found that wasting my time being nice (and lord once upon a time on this very forum I was) was exactly that. Wasting time. There is no talking to some people.
I could sugar coat it and say "Well all of you were very dedicated players for the past 5 years and that should be recognized"
But guess what, nobody is going to throw any of us who held our accounts this long a parade.
EA will read the suggestions... pick the ones that are possible and popular and make them happen.
It's not because the suggestions are by the dev ego strokers. It's because the suggestions are made by people who clearly and concisely write up their wiki's for everyone to contribute.
Not to rant like a child who didn't get the dolly they wanted.
To me thats what many of the general "you" look like.
MY opinion shouldn't matter to you. It's just that. Mine. And I'm just a girl on the other side of the monitor bluntly disagreeing with you.
The fact that I'm probably right just makes it sting a little bit more.
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I less than three you Jackiee
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It is exactly what it is meant to be.
The difference here is and I'll put this as clearly as I can... this is a game.
It's not a way of life (although many, myself included, believed it to be once) or something that is life changing. Most normal people could stand to use a bit of change here and there. Most normal people do not prefer to play the same game over and over and over and over again. If we did we'd all be playing candyland still.
Vapd, the game you love was going to be closed. It's gone. It's done. No matter what it's over. It's not the "cheerleaders" fault. The cheerleaders didn't like the way the game was, it got lame, it got boring it got....
(On a side note, that smiley is from studly @ dot calm... i know its become very very popular here. )
So really i'd like to know, is you being able to play your game. "You" being the minority more important than someone else being able to play theirs. Is it fair to the majority that the game is lost all together b/c the minority says "no fair I am taking my dollies and going home?"
For over a year I read these forums and watched people all but beg (no actually they begged too) and threaten and scream for new updates. For change. For city merges b/c the cities were dead. Every single thing I have seen implemented or planned to be implemented is the same things I have seen discussed and asked for over and over and over again on these very forums.
Now they are happening. I have seen some people who were completely fed up with EA (excuse me if I throw in your name Dutch America and Carrie as you both come to mind) and made no effort to hide the fact that they were displeased, turn around and actually support the changes. There are many more of course but it's moot.
The bottom line is what EA is changing "we" the collective "we" have asked for. If you were not active during that point, or if you were the minority, that is I suppose unfortunate. But that is the way the world works.
You have two options (well immediate options)
1) you can quit.
2) you can suggest constructively things you would like to be kept.
If those suggestions are within the majority and feasible EA will pass them through. If they are not, they will drop them.
"You" the general you, can intimate all you want that I am a nasty, obnoxious, or downright rude person. Many will agree, even those who call me a friend.
I found that wasting my time being nice (and lord once upon a time on this very forum I was) was exactly that. Wasting time. There is no talking to some people.
I could sugar coat it and say "Well all of you were very dedicated players for the past 5 years and that should be recognized"
But guess what, nobody is going to throw any of us who held our accounts this long a parade.
EA will read the suggestions... pick the ones that are possible and popular and make them happen.
It's not because the suggestions are by the dev ego strokers. It's because the suggestions are made by people who clearly and concisely write up their wiki's for everyone to contribute.
Not to rant like a child who didn't get the dolly they wanted.
To me thats what many of the general "you" look like.
MY opinion shouldn't matter to you. It's just that. Mine. And I'm just a girl on the other side of the monitor bluntly disagreeing with you.
The fact that I'm probably right just makes it sting a little bit more.
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I less than three you Jackiee
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Creed84
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Donavan -- EA is going to buy simoleans FROM players, as well as sell them, it is all part of the zero sum economy (so-called). Players in TC3 will not be allowed to sell simoleans to EA, which is one of the arguments I made to Lee about letting TC3 keep the casinos. He agreed the logic was right on, but that since TC3 needs to reflect the game to serve as a valid test, no exception would be made.
Players in the production cities will be able to sell their "excess" simoleans to EA. If we were able to keep the money we have NOW, then many could made a very tidy sum from sales to EA. Very tidy. For that reason, alone, EA needs to make sure our coffers are empty when we arrive in EA Land.
This sell back plan was much discussed a few weeks ago. If EA has since changed the plan, I admit to being behind the times.
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Um no.. EA slling and buying simoleans was brought up at the same time. They are wiping the coffers to create a zero economy where you earn little money and YOU have to BUY simoleans from them. This does not remove the now simolean sellers. Just let's EA monopolize it for a bit. They are not wiping money so you do not have any to sell to them.... They are wiping the money so you HAVE to BUY simoleans, and they will be the only simolean sellers with simoloeans to sell.. soo big rpofits for them....
Donavan -- EA is going to buy simoleans FROM players, as well as sell them, it is all part of the zero sum economy (so-called). Players in TC3 will not be allowed to sell simoleans to EA, which is one of the arguments I made to Lee about letting TC3 keep the casinos. He agreed the logic was right on, but that since TC3 needs to reflect the game to serve as a valid test, no exception would be made.
Players in the production cities will be able to sell their "excess" simoleans to EA. If we were able to keep the money we have NOW, then many could made a very tidy sum from sales to EA. Very tidy. For that reason, alone, EA needs to make sure our coffers are empty when we arrive in EA Land.
This sell back plan was much discussed a few weeks ago. If EA has since changed the plan, I admit to being behind the times.
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Um no.. EA slling and buying simoleans was brought up at the same time. They are wiping the coffers to create a zero economy where you earn little money and YOU have to BUY simoleans from them. This does not remove the now simolean sellers. Just let's EA monopolize it for a bit. They are not wiping money so you do not have any to sell to them.... They are wiping the money so you HAVE to BUY simoleans, and they will be the only simolean sellers with simoloeans to sell.. soo big rpofits for them....
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Your agreement is not required, for the truth to remain the truth. But you are free to bury your head in the sand, if it makes you feel better.
Calling posters who do not agree with your point of view; "cheerleader", "mindless drone" (Bindy's siggie) and generally painting them as brainless, ass-kissing sycophants.....is not a course of behavior likely to generate hugs and kisses in return.
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Nor will your constant harassing of those that dont agree with your every word.
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Why is it that when the "cheerleaders" voice an opinion that someone doesn't agree with, it is harassment. Yet when the roles are reversed, it is considered "being heard" and "standing up for themself"?
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Your agreement is not required, for the truth to remain the truth. But you are free to bury your head in the sand, if it makes you feel better.
Calling posters who do not agree with your point of view; "cheerleader", "mindless drone" (Bindy's siggie) and generally painting them as brainless, ass-kissing sycophants.....is not a course of behavior likely to generate hugs and kisses in return.
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Nor will your constant harassing of those that dont agree with your every word.
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Why is it that when the "cheerleaders" voice an opinion that someone doesn't agree with, it is harassment. Yet when the roles are reversed, it is considered "being heard" and "standing up for themself"?
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imported_Shirl1211
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Sorry Jacki..I guess i'm one of those old die-hard TSO fans who enjoyed the game back in the day. I don't have any long winded comments to make to try and get whatever your point is across.. Its as simple as this, if EA want s a new game why don't they create one and leave our old one alone.
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I have to say that i disagree. You DO NOT have to buy simoleans from them. You can take the long boring route of working a sim job, then going to money houses till its time to go to your sim job again. You DO NOT have to buy simoleans, its just an easy out to making your sim earn it while being bored making them earn it. Wow, that was a mouthful.
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They could make a brand new one, but then you still lose your old one completely. Without changes, the old game you love is gone. As in, you can't sign in anymore cause the servers got shut down and all the devs move onto other projects. Hope that was clear.
One more thing I would like to add, there are some people on this forum that I absolutely love because they don't pull the 5 year card. Someone who has played for 2 months has just as much right as the ones that have played for 5 years. Playing for 5 years doesn't put you above everyone else.
One more thing I would like to add, there are some people on this forum that I absolutely love because they don't pull the 5 year card. Someone who has played for 2 months has just as much right as the ones that have played for 5 years. Playing for 5 years doesn't put you above everyone else.
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Sorry Jacki..I guess i'm one of those old die-hard TSO fans who enjoyed the game back in the day. I don't have any long winded comments to make to try and get whatever your point is across.. Its as simple as this, if EA want s a new game why don't they create one and leave our old one alone.
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B/c the game you love had 4 years to make money and completely failed at it.
So they could improve what they have. Or they could make a new one, but like amazing Ronin stated... your beloved game would be gone either way. Had you read my long winded post you would've seen where I referenced that.
But I have a question to those opposed to change... based on the speculation of what this game will be within the next few months? will you not even try it?
See the reason why I ask is because when my boyfriend bought me this game for christmas 5 years ago... I threw it in the game rack for over 2 months. I wanted nothing to do with it. I wanted The Sims. I did not want to play online or talk to people online ( I thought that was for losers
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So had I stuck to my original assumption... I wouldn't be here today... enlightening everyone and whatnot.
Sorry Jacki..I guess i'm one of those old die-hard TSO fans who enjoyed the game back in the day. I don't have any long winded comments to make to try and get whatever your point is across.. Its as simple as this, if EA want s a new game why don't they create one and leave our old one alone.
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B/c the game you love had 4 years to make money and completely failed at it.
So they could improve what they have. Or they could make a new one, but like amazing Ronin stated... your beloved game would be gone either way. Had you read my long winded post you would've seen where I referenced that.
But I have a question to those opposed to change... based on the speculation of what this game will be within the next few months? will you not even try it?
See the reason why I ask is because when my boyfriend bought me this game for christmas 5 years ago... I threw it in the game rack for over 2 months. I wanted nothing to do with it. I wanted The Sims. I did not want to play online or talk to people online ( I thought that was for losers
So had I stuck to my original assumption... I wouldn't be here today... enlightening everyone and whatnot.
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Keep It Real
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WOW, now I'm a minority. Does this role come with any perks?
I would like to see sell back of pet crates re-enabled as I don't beleive I saw anything about people asking for sellback of unwanted petpulls being taken away, majority or minority.
As for the money wipe, yeah it's gonna happen no matter what anyone says about it, it has to now. EA wants to make more profit by selling simoleans and claiming they "fixed" the economy, thats cool, they are a business and business attempts to make a profit, ok already, just git er done already so we can get on with the game.
One more thing, the "chair of the week" club will attempt to meet after tomorrows update..................if in fact there is actually content added and not taken away.
TY Studly for the dead horse beatings
it's been a powerful tool here and says more than long winded posts ever could!
I would like to see sell back of pet crates re-enabled as I don't beleive I saw anything about people asking for sellback of unwanted petpulls being taken away, majority or minority.
As for the money wipe, yeah it's gonna happen no matter what anyone says about it, it has to now. EA wants to make more profit by selling simoleans and claiming they "fixed" the economy, thats cool, they are a business and business attempts to make a profit, ok already, just git er done already so we can get on with the game.
One more thing, the "chair of the week" club will attempt to meet after tomorrows update..................if in fact there is actually content added and not taken away.
TY Studly for the dead horse beatings
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WOW, now I'm a minority. Does this role come with any perks?
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I think you get like tax kickbacks if you decide to open a business.
WOW, now I'm a minority. Does this role come with any perks?
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I think you get like tax kickbacks if you decide to open a business.
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TKSpeedy1
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Its as simple as this, if EA want s a new game why don't they create one and leave our old one alone.
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THANK YOU! I've been saying this same exact thing for weeks! I'm glad someone else finally stepped up to say it. I've been perfectly happy with the game with the exception of them not giving us new items. The money wipe is pointless and needless, IMO. Like I've said before...some people have more money than others IRL but you don't see everyone's money being wiped IRL just so we're all on the same playing field. We're not all equal IRL, so why should TSO be any different? Makes no sense to me. I personally don't care if others have more money than me in TSO.
Its as simple as this, if EA want s a new game why don't they create one and leave our old one alone.
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THANK YOU! I've been saying this same exact thing for weeks! I'm glad someone else finally stepped up to say it. I've been perfectly happy with the game with the exception of them not giving us new items. The money wipe is pointless and needless, IMO. Like I've said before...some people have more money than others IRL but you don't see everyone's money being wiped IRL just so we're all on the same playing field. We're not all equal IRL, so why should TSO be any different? Makes no sense to me. I personally don't care if others have more money than me in TSO.
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imported_Dali Dalinza
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They could make a brand new one, but then you still lose your old one completely. Without changes, the old game you love is gone. As in, you can't sign in anymore cause the servers got shut down and all the devs move onto other projects. Hope that was clear.
One more thing I would like to add, there are some people on this forum that I absolutely love because they don't pull the 5 year card. Someone who has played for 2 months has just as much right as the ones that have played for 5 years. Playing for 5 years doesn't put you above everyone else.
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A player who has played for 2 days or 2 months certainly has the same rights. Playing for 5 years gives one a perspective different -- but not better -- than a newbies. I have no idea who those guys are in your siggie, for instance, but I'm sure you have lots of knowledge of them gained from passage of time knowing who they are? I hope you don't think you are above me because I have no idea who they are...
If you think people are "playing the 5 year card" are putting you down for being a newbie, I'm sorry to hear it. I play the 5 year card now and then, but to give credibility to my statement, not to suggest newbies are any less likely to have a worthwhile opinion.
I'm sure your mom or grandmother can tell you about decades past that you are clueless about. I would bet that I could beat you in trivia about the 60's, because I was there, and no doubt you'd cream me if we did 80's trivia. That doesn't put one of us above the other, except in particular knowledge.
They could make a brand new one, but then you still lose your old one completely. Without changes, the old game you love is gone. As in, you can't sign in anymore cause the servers got shut down and all the devs move onto other projects. Hope that was clear.
One more thing I would like to add, there are some people on this forum that I absolutely love because they don't pull the 5 year card. Someone who has played for 2 months has just as much right as the ones that have played for 5 years. Playing for 5 years doesn't put you above everyone else.
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A player who has played for 2 days or 2 months certainly has the same rights. Playing for 5 years gives one a perspective different -- but not better -- than a newbies. I have no idea who those guys are in your siggie, for instance, but I'm sure you have lots of knowledge of them gained from passage of time knowing who they are? I hope you don't think you are above me because I have no idea who they are...
If you think people are "playing the 5 year card" are putting you down for being a newbie, I'm sorry to hear it. I play the 5 year card now and then, but to give credibility to my statement, not to suggest newbies are any less likely to have a worthwhile opinion.
I'm sure your mom or grandmother can tell you about decades past that you are clueless about. I would bet that I could beat you in trivia about the 60's, because I was there, and no doubt you'd cream me if we did 80's trivia. That doesn't put one of us above the other, except in particular knowledge.
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WOW, now I'm a minority. Does this role come with any perks?
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I think you get like tax kickbacks if you decide to open a business.
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Where do I apply? I could use a tax break, and can that be applied in EA Land as well?
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WOW, now I'm a minority. Does this role come with any perks?
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I think you get like tax kickbacks if you decide to open a business.
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Where do I apply? I could use a tax break, and can that be applied in EA Land as well?
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WOW, now I'm a minority. Does this role come with any perks?
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I think you get like tax kickbacks if you decide to open a business.
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Where do I apply? I could use a tax break, and can that be applied in EA Land as well?
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IDK :*(
But the tax break money you save could be applied to buying money from EA for EA land!
See everyones happy <3
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WOW, now I'm a minority. Does this role come with any perks?
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I think you get like tax kickbacks if you decide to open a business.
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Where do I apply? I could use a tax break, and can that be applied in EA Land as well?
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IDK :*(
But the tax break money you save could be applied to buying money from EA for EA land!
See everyones happy <3
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TKSpeedy1
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Sorry Jacki..I guess i'm one of those old die-hard TSO fans who enjoyed the game back in the day. I don't have any long winded comments to make to try and get whatever your point is across.. Its as simple as this, if EA want s a new game why don't they create one and leave our old one alone.
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B/c the game you love had 4 years to make money and completely failed at it.
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Um..who's fault is that? Can you say "Advertising Department" or "Promotions"? Someone wasn't doing their job...and now you want everyone to be punished for it?
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So they could improve what they have. Or they could make a new one, but like amazing Ronin stated... your beloved game would be gone either way. Had you read my long winded post you would've seen where I referenced that.
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As I have said before (and others have said it, too), the game is pretty much dead anyway, so why not just start over?
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Sorry Jacki..I guess i'm one of those old die-hard TSO fans who enjoyed the game back in the day. I don't have any long winded comments to make to try and get whatever your point is across.. Its as simple as this, if EA want s a new game why don't they create one and leave our old one alone.
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B/c the game you love had 4 years to make money and completely failed at it.
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Um..who's fault is that? Can you say "Advertising Department" or "Promotions"? Someone wasn't doing their job...and now you want everyone to be punished for it?
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So they could improve what they have. Or they could make a new one, but like amazing Ronin stated... your beloved game would be gone either way. Had you read my long winded post you would've seen where I referenced that.
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As I have said before (and others have said it, too), the game is pretty much dead anyway, so why not just start over?
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WOW, now I'm a minority. Does this role come with any perks?
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I think you get like tax kickbacks if you decide to open a business.
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Where do I apply? I could use a tax break, and can that be applied in EA Land as well?
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IDK :*(
But the tax break money you save could be applied to buying money from EA for EA land!
See everyones happy <3
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LMAO, I'll stick to NOT buying pixils. Those that choose to buy them, well, TY for keeping TSO alive!
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WOW, now I'm a minority. Does this role come with any perks?
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I think you get like tax kickbacks if you decide to open a business.
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Where do I apply? I could use a tax break, and can that be applied in EA Land as well?
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IDK :*(
But the tax break money you save could be applied to buying money from EA for EA land!
See everyones happy <3
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LMAO, I'll stick to NOT buying pixils. Those that choose to buy them, well, TY for keeping TSO alive!
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See this is why I find fault with your logic. You dont want to start over yet you say lets just start over, which is essentially what you are doing only you get the benefit of keeping everything except your money. I would personally rather keep my house, rares, skill locks, skills and whatnot then to just lose everything and go to a new game, but thats just me.
People act like losing simoleans is the end of the sim world, I just dont happen to see it that way. I could go on and on about how its really not that hard to make money in TC3 and how it will be even easier in EA Land especially since I'm keeping all the things I listed above which will save me a fortune, but really most of us have played the game for years I wouldnt be telling you anything you dont allready know if you take the time to think about it.
People act like losing simoleans is the end of the sim world, I just dont happen to see it that way. I could go on and on about how its really not that hard to make money in TC3 and how it will be even easier in EA Land especially since I'm keeping all the things I listed above which will save me a fortune, but really most of us have played the game for years I wouldnt be telling you anything you dont allready know if you take the time to think about it.
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See this is why I find fault with your logic. You dont want to start over yet you say lets just start over, which is essentially what you are doing only you get the benefit of keeping everything except your money.
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No, actually TSO isn't starting over completely. They are CONTINUING but with a money wipe. I'm saying start over COMPLETELY...a totally new game. I'd rather do that than this whole mess, which I will think will be the end of the game anyway. After all, everyone has already said that TSO is dead in the water anyway, so why not just start over with a new game? Makes sense to me.
And while I'm thinking about it...although I'm not totally against the merge of cities, I do have one thought on the subject....What is the point? Why can't they just transfer the cities to the new servers that TC/TC3 are on and leave the cities/maps as they are? I'm not trying to be smart here..I'm just genuinely curious because I would like to understand it.
See this is why I find fault with your logic. You dont want to start over yet you say lets just start over, which is essentially what you are doing only you get the benefit of keeping everything except your money.
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No, actually TSO isn't starting over completely. They are CONTINUING but with a money wipe. I'm saying start over COMPLETELY...a totally new game. I'd rather do that than this whole mess, which I will think will be the end of the game anyway. After all, everyone has already said that TSO is dead in the water anyway, so why not just start over with a new game? Makes sense to me.
And while I'm thinking about it...although I'm not totally against the merge of cities, I do have one thought on the subject....What is the point? Why can't they just transfer the cities to the new servers that TC/TC3 are on and leave the cities/maps as they are? I'm not trying to be smart here..I'm just genuinely curious because I would like to understand it.
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See this is why I find fault with your logic. You dont want to start over yet you say lets just start over, which is essentially what you are doing only you get the benefit of keeping everything except your money.
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No, actually TSO isn't starting over completely. They are CONTINUING but with a money wipe. I'm saying start over COMPLETELY...a totally new game. I'd rather do that than this whole mess, which I will think will be the end of the game anyway. After all, everyone has already said that TSO is dead in the water anyway, so why not just start over with a new game? Makes sense to me.
And while I'm thinking about it...although I'm not totally against the merge of cities, I do have one thought on the subject....What is the point? Why can't they just transfer the cities to the new servers that TC/TC3 are on and leave the cities/maps as they are? I'm not trying to be smart here..I'm just genuinely curious because I would like to understand it.
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B/c it is what the players wanted.
now we come full circle.
tons and tons and tons and tons of times a bunch of different players screamed to merge the cities.
A bunch of other different players said "hey i don't want to lose my lot, my map my property my roomies"
So then EA said "well maybe we can merge the maps, o wait we can"
And they did.
WTF is so hard to understand about that?
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See this is why I find fault with your logic. You dont want to start over yet you say lets just start over, which is essentially what you are doing only you get the benefit of keeping everything except your money.
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No, actually TSO isn't starting over completely. They are CONTINUING but with a money wipe. I'm saying start over COMPLETELY...a totally new game. I'd rather do that than this whole mess, which I will think will be the end of the game anyway. After all, everyone has already said that TSO is dead in the water anyway, so why not just start over with a new game? Makes sense to me.
And while I'm thinking about it...although I'm not totally against the merge of cities, I do have one thought on the subject....What is the point? Why can't they just transfer the cities to the new servers that TC/TC3 are on and leave the cities/maps as they are? I'm not trying to be smart here..I'm just genuinely curious because I would like to understand it.
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B/c it is what the players wanted.
now we come full circle.
tons and tons and tons and tons of times a bunch of different players screamed to merge the cities.
A bunch of other different players said "hey i don't want to lose my lot, my map my property my roomies"
So then EA said "well maybe we can merge the maps, o wait we can"
And they did.
WTF is so hard to understand about that?
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And Nikki, I understand how you and many others dont see how the loss of simoleons can be of such a passionate arguement among players. That loss doesn't affect everyone the same, based on each individuals "play preferences".
I too have been around a long time (sorry Ronin,...but its relevant in this issue), and have tried all aspects of the game from job tracks to other activities. I found that I enjoyed casinos and rebuilding my residences more than any other available activity. That was my personal play preference. The ability to rebuild or to build for friends was what I truely enjoyed the most, with casinos being my break time.
Having the simoleons made this possible. Sure,...they are dropping the prices by up to 90% on objects (and I think this may also be for walls, tiles, etc... hoping so anyway), but considering that it could cost 100,000 to 200,000 simoleons for a full rebuild, even at 90%, you are now looking at 10,000 to 20,000. A very far cry from the 500 simoleons we are to be given.
I find job tracks tediously boring (almost as much as skilling), and have a hard time with taking a day off to play a game where I have to go to work. I also don't enjoy group money objects. I fully understand that many, and probably the majority of players, dont feel the same as I do. That is what makes us individuals. Do I fault any of those players for what they find fun?...Hell no. I only ask that those others accept and not find fault in what I find as enjoyable. Maybe not even accept it, but possibly understand it anyway.
So I dont support the complete money wipe. That is the only part of all these changes that concerns me and my game play. Any other changes that are planned are for the benefit of others and I hope those that have previously enjoyed those activites, will still find pleasure in them.
I too have been around a long time (sorry Ronin,...but its relevant in this issue), and have tried all aspects of the game from job tracks to other activities. I found that I enjoyed casinos and rebuilding my residences more than any other available activity. That was my personal play preference. The ability to rebuild or to build for friends was what I truely enjoyed the most, with casinos being my break time.
Having the simoleons made this possible. Sure,...they are dropping the prices by up to 90% on objects (and I think this may also be for walls, tiles, etc... hoping so anyway), but considering that it could cost 100,000 to 200,000 simoleons for a full rebuild, even at 90%, you are now looking at 10,000 to 20,000. A very far cry from the 500 simoleons we are to be given.
I find job tracks tediously boring (almost as much as skilling), and have a hard time with taking a day off to play a game where I have to go to work. I also don't enjoy group money objects. I fully understand that many, and probably the majority of players, dont feel the same as I do. That is what makes us individuals. Do I fault any of those players for what they find fun?...Hell no. I only ask that those others accept and not find fault in what I find as enjoyable. Maybe not even accept it, but possibly understand it anyway.
So I dont support the complete money wipe. That is the only part of all these changes that concerns me and my game play. Any other changes that are planned are for the benefit of others and I hope those that have previously enjoyed those activites, will still find pleasure in them.
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WTF is so hard to understand about that?
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Was this comment really necessary? I was asking nicely after all...It's not hard to understand, thank you very much. I just thought maybe there was some technical reason why we had to have our cities merged. Geesh...And the mods wonder why we think we are being attacked when we ask a legitimate question? THIS is why.
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WTF is so hard to understand about that?
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Was this comment really necessary? I was asking nicely after all...It's not hard to understand, thank you very much. I just thought maybe there was some technical reason why we had to have our cities merged. Geesh...And the mods wonder why we think we are being attacked when we ask a legitimate question? THIS is why.
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my question was legitimate.
Ok.
Let me rephrase.
WTH is so hard to understand about that?
It's very legitimate
And if I am violating the RoC, trust me a mod will tell me.
Ok.
Let me rephrase.
WTH is so hard to understand about that?
It's very legitimate
And if I am violating the RoC, trust me a mod will tell me.
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Its as simple as this, if EA want s a new game why don't they create one and leave our old one alone.
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Because there weren't enough people liking the old game to pay salaries. I can't believe someone actually wondered about that. lmao.
Its as simple as this, if EA want s a new game why don't they create one and leave our old one alone.
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Because there weren't enough people liking the old game to pay salaries. I can't believe someone actually wondered about that. lmao.
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And while I'm thinking about it...although I'm not totally against the merge of cities, I do have one thought on the subject....What is the point? Why can't they just transfer the cities to the new servers that TC/TC3 are on and leave the cities/maps as they are? I'm not trying to be smart here..I'm just genuinely curious because I would like to understand it.
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Because it is not an issue of *servers*, but one of updated software, platform and code. Please don't ask me to explain tech stuff, in any greater depth, I am no geek.
I just know they have changed everything from the ground up, and it is not built like the old game, anymore.
And they had every intention of making a separate game, and stated plainly that everyone could continue to play the old cities/game. The new game would be getting weekly upgrades, new code, new items, custom content and many other desirable things, but the production cities would not recieve anything more than basic server maintenance. They never intended to let any part of the old game into the new EA Land, not items, avatars, or lots.......everyone would have to create new.
Many protested the abandonment of the old production cities and the choice they would have to make between their stuff and playing in the new game.
The merge plan was submitted by players on the Wiki, as a compromise. The Dev's liked it and worked it out, but the price for getting the new game, plus all our avatars, inventory, cities and property, was to lose the money....all of it.
It is not an unfair trade, in my opinion, and certainly beats the original plan.
And while I'm thinking about it...although I'm not totally against the merge of cities, I do have one thought on the subject....What is the point? Why can't they just transfer the cities to the new servers that TC/TC3 are on and leave the cities/maps as they are? I'm not trying to be smart here..I'm just genuinely curious because I would like to understand it.
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Because it is not an issue of *servers*, but one of updated software, platform and code. Please don't ask me to explain tech stuff, in any greater depth, I am no geek.
And they had every intention of making a separate game, and stated plainly that everyone could continue to play the old cities/game. The new game would be getting weekly upgrades, new code, new items, custom content and many other desirable things, but the production cities would not recieve anything more than basic server maintenance. They never intended to let any part of the old game into the new EA Land, not items, avatars, or lots.......everyone would have to create new.
Many protested the abandonment of the old production cities and the choice they would have to make between their stuff and playing in the new game.
The merge plan was submitted by players on the Wiki, as a compromise. The Dev's liked it and worked it out, but the price for getting the new game, plus all our avatars, inventory, cities and property, was to lose the money....all of it.
It is not an unfair trade, in my opinion, and certainly beats the original plan.
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See this is why I find fault with your logic. You dont want to start over yet you say lets just start over, which is essentially what you are doing only you get the benefit of keeping everything except your money.
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No, actually TSO isn't starting over completely. They are CONTINUING but with a money wipe. I'm saying start over COMPLETELY...a totally new game. I'd rather do that than this whole mess, which I will think will be the end of the game anyway. After all, everyone has already said that TSO is dead in the water anyway, so why not just start over with a new game? Makes sense to me.
And while I'm thinking about it...although I'm not totally against the merge of cities, I do have one thought on the subject....What is the point? Why can't they just transfer the cities to the new servers that TC/TC3 are on and leave the cities/maps as they are? I'm not trying to be smart here..I'm just genuinely curious because I would like to understand it.
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Actually I can answer that easily enough. When the devs said guess what guys were gonna open a new city and were gonna call it EA Land, we wont be doing any further updates to the old cities though. I said whoaaa hold on there I can give you 2 reasons why that wont work, DC and BV, players will go back to the old cities where they have everything allready and ultimately EA Land will fail just like DC and BV did. They said hmmm. Then Luc saw the merge idea on wiki and here we are today.
This is a compromise. EA gets what they want in the form of EA Land they fix the economy which is what Luc said had to happen right from the start. We get to keep everything we earned in the past 5 years excluding money and we get to have all the cities in one place which we've asked for for years. I know I've personally posted extensively on the subject for a long time as have many others. We also get a brand new game in addition to keeping most of our old game, because EA Land will be much more then just TSO with a new name as has been discussed on the blog.
So no in the big overall picture keeping the old cities the same and just opening a new city would not be a feasible solution to the problem. Life is about compromise and this is the best were gonna get, so be glad you get to keep as much as you do.
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See this is why I find fault with your logic. You dont want to start over yet you say lets just start over, which is essentially what you are doing only you get the benefit of keeping everything except your money.
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No, actually TSO isn't starting over completely. They are CONTINUING but with a money wipe. I'm saying start over COMPLETELY...a totally new game. I'd rather do that than this whole mess, which I will think will be the end of the game anyway. After all, everyone has already said that TSO is dead in the water anyway, so why not just start over with a new game? Makes sense to me.
And while I'm thinking about it...although I'm not totally against the merge of cities, I do have one thought on the subject....What is the point? Why can't they just transfer the cities to the new servers that TC/TC3 are on and leave the cities/maps as they are? I'm not trying to be smart here..I'm just genuinely curious because I would like to understand it.
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Actually I can answer that easily enough. When the devs said guess what guys were gonna open a new city and were gonna call it EA Land, we wont be doing any further updates to the old cities though. I said whoaaa hold on there I can give you 2 reasons why that wont work, DC and BV, players will go back to the old cities where they have everything allready and ultimately EA Land will fail just like DC and BV did. They said hmmm. Then Luc saw the merge idea on wiki and here we are today.
This is a compromise. EA gets what they want in the form of EA Land they fix the economy which is what Luc said had to happen right from the start. We get to keep everything we earned in the past 5 years excluding money and we get to have all the cities in one place which we've asked for for years. I know I've personally posted extensively on the subject for a long time as have many others. We also get a brand new game in addition to keeping most of our old game, because EA Land will be much more then just TSO with a new name as has been discussed on the blog.
So no in the big overall picture keeping the old cities the same and just opening a new city would not be a feasible solution to the problem. Life is about compromise and this is the best were gonna get, so be glad you get to keep as much as you do.
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What you may be able to do is pay REAL taxes on any money earned and cashed in to ea for real dollars as the IRS is looking into the sell back in second life. (as it is earned income) We all know if there is money IRS will be involved sooner or later and since its in the news already my bet would be sooner.
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What you may be able to do is pay REAL taxes on any money earned and cashed in to ea for real dollars as the IRS is looking into the sell back in second life. (as it is earned income) We all know if there is money IRS will be involved sooner or later and since its in the news already my bet would be sooner.
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Oh thats just great.
IRS!
What you may be able to do is pay REAL taxes on any money earned and cashed in to ea for real dollars as the IRS is looking into the sell back in second life. (as it is earned income) We all know if there is money IRS will be involved sooner or later and since its in the news already my bet would be sooner.
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Oh thats just great.
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So no in the big overall picture keeping the old cities the same and just opening a new city would not be a feasible solution to the problem. Life is about compromise and this is the best were gonna get, so be glad you get to keep as much as you do.
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I think of it in these terms....the old cities are actually 'caput'. They are only left open at this point to appease us the players while we are waiting for EAland to open.
And instead of making us start over with nothing at all, they are allowing us to roll over our inventories and avatars minus the simoleans into the new 'game'.
So no in the big overall picture keeping the old cities the same and just opening a new city would not be a feasible solution to the problem. Life is about compromise and this is the best were gonna get, so be glad you get to keep as much as you do.
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I think of it in these terms....the old cities are actually 'caput'. They are only left open at this point to appease us the players while we are waiting for EAland to open.
And instead of making us start over with nothing at all, they are allowing us to roll over our inventories and avatars minus the simoleans into the new 'game'.
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I have to say that i disagree. You DO NOT have to buy simoleans from them. You can take the long boring route of working a sim job, then going to money houses till its time to go to your sim job again. You DO NOT have to buy simoleans, its just an easy out to making your sim earn it while being bored making them earn it. Wow, that was a mouthful.
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I completely agree with you on the above statement, Ronin. You nailed it: buy simoleans or "take the long boring route." Of course they can be times for social interaction, but IMO, your description sums it up. The sim rat race.
I'll be surprised if the design appeals to the broad game playing public that investigate this "new" game. After all, games are things of fantasy. As someone else on these forums has said, few people want to play a game in order to have a "second job."
I won't be surprised to see EA making some cash from simolean transactions, though. I wonder if they will advertise on Ebay?
I have to say that i disagree. You DO NOT have to buy simoleans from them. You can take the long boring route of working a sim job, then going to money houses till its time to go to your sim job again. You DO NOT have to buy simoleans, its just an easy out to making your sim earn it while being bored making them earn it. Wow, that was a mouthful.
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I completely agree with you on the above statement, Ronin. You nailed it: buy simoleans or "take the long boring route." Of course they can be times for social interaction, but IMO, your description sums it up. The sim rat race.
I'll be surprised if the design appeals to the broad game playing public that investigate this "new" game. After all, games are things of fantasy. As someone else on these forums has said, few people want to play a game in order to have a "second job."
I won't be surprised to see EA making some cash from simolean transactions, though. I wonder if they will advertise on Ebay?
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I have to say that i disagree. You DO NOT have to buy simoleans from them. You can take the long boring route of working a sim job, then going to money houses till its time to go to your sim job again. You DO NOT have to buy simoleans, its just an easy out to making your sim earn it while being bored making them earn it. Wow, that was a mouthful.
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I completely agree with you on the above statement, Ronin. You nailed it: buy simoleans or "take the long boring route." Of course they can be times for social interaction, but IMO, your description sums it up. The sim rat race.
I'll be surprised if the design appeals to the broad game playing public that investigate this "new" game. After all, games are things of fantasy. As someone else on these forums has said, few people want to play a game in order to have a "second job."
I won't be surprised to see EA making some cash from simolean transactions, though. I wonder if they will advertise on Ebay?
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Well, EA isn't a 'not-for-profit' organization so I guess they probably would like to see a little monetary return on their investment.
It's much better the game to be showing a profit instead of 'JoSmosho Simolean Seller'.
As for how you get the simoleans, I think you'll probably be able to buy them directly in the game through their ATM machine. Instant in-game access for those....'want-it-right-now' people. LOL
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I have to say that i disagree. You DO NOT have to buy simoleans from them. You can take the long boring route of working a sim job, then going to money houses till its time to go to your sim job again. You DO NOT have to buy simoleans, its just an easy out to making your sim earn it while being bored making them earn it. Wow, that was a mouthful.
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I completely agree with you on the above statement, Ronin. You nailed it: buy simoleans or "take the long boring route." Of course they can be times for social interaction, but IMO, your description sums it up. The sim rat race.
I'll be surprised if the design appeals to the broad game playing public that investigate this "new" game. After all, games are things of fantasy. As someone else on these forums has said, few people want to play a game in order to have a "second job."
I won't be surprised to see EA making some cash from simolean transactions, though. I wonder if they will advertise on Ebay?
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Well, EA isn't a 'not-for-profit' organization so I guess they probably would like to see a little monetary return on their investment.
It's much better the game to be showing a profit instead of 'JoSmosho Simolean Seller'.
As for how you get the simoleans, I think you'll probably be able to buy them directly in the game through their ATM machine. Instant in-game access for those....'want-it-right-now' people. LOL
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Well, EA isn't a 'not-for-profit' organization so I guess they probably would like to see a little monetary return on their investment.
It's much better the game to be showing a profit instead of 'JoSmosho Simolean Seller'.
As for how you get the simoleans, I think you'll probably be able to buy them directly in the game through their ATM machine. Instant in-game access for those....'want-it-right-now' people. LOL
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Well, as Ronin pointed out, it will be "the long boring route" to earn money or hit the ATM. Logic would suggest that it is therefore in EA's best interest to make earning money in game as onerous as possible.
Well, EA isn't a 'not-for-profit' organization so I guess they probably would like to see a little monetary return on their investment.
It's much better the game to be showing a profit instead of 'JoSmosho Simolean Seller'.
As for how you get the simoleans, I think you'll probably be able to buy them directly in the game through their ATM machine. Instant in-game access for those....'want-it-right-now' people. LOL
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Well, as Ronin pointed out, it will be "the long boring route" to earn money or hit the ATM. Logic would suggest that it is therefore in EA's best interest to make earning money in game as onerous as possible.
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Well, as Ronin pointed out, it will be "the long boring route" to earn money or hit the ATM. Logic would suggest that it is therefore in EA's best interest to make earning money in game as onerous as possible.
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Has EA changed money-making so it's more boring now than it was before? And if prices are adjusted along with payouts, it may not be as long as people at suggesting. If a $1000 item is reduced by 75% and a $100 payout is reduced by 75%, then it still takes 10 payouts to buy the item.
Well, as Ronin pointed out, it will be "the long boring route" to earn money or hit the ATM. Logic would suggest that it is therefore in EA's best interest to make earning money in game as onerous as possible.
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Has EA changed money-making so it's more boring now than it was before? And if prices are adjusted along with payouts, it may not be as long as people at suggesting. If a $1000 item is reduced by 75% and a $100 payout is reduced by 75%, then it still takes 10 payouts to buy the item.
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imported_Dali Dalinza
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Well, as Ronin pointed out, it will be "the long boring route" to earn money or hit the ATM. Logic would suggest that it is therefore in EA's best interest to make earning money in game as onerous as possible.
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Has EA changed money-making so it's more boring now than it was before? And if prices are adjusted along with payouts, it may not be as long as people at suggesting. If a $1000 item is reduced by 75% and a $100 payout is reduced by 75%, then it still takes 10 payouts to buy the item.
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I'm hoping, Milton, I'm hoping -- that your optimism shall prove correct. If building costs go down, and ALL costs of living in the new game are lowered, maybe it will not be so grim. Only time will tell.
On the other hand, if EA is counting on selling simoleans as a cash cow, why would they make it easy for us to reach a comfort level? That defies logic. Comfortable players won't be buying simoleans. And, rich players will want to sell simoleans.
And yes, it appears that earning money will be more boring than it was before, because the economy design at this point appears to be one where sims will have to apply themselves to working on a daily basis. Jobs can't be more boring than they are, but having to spend more time at them makes them that more of a pain. Of course, I ran a casino most of my time in TSO. (Not a money maker, but it was fun.) My "riches" were accumulated over the years primarily from the gifts from retiring players, so I suppose I can keep my fingers crossed every time I meet a bored player. Heh.
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Well, as Ronin pointed out, it will be "the long boring route" to earn money or hit the ATM. Logic would suggest that it is therefore in EA's best interest to make earning money in game as onerous as possible.
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Has EA changed money-making so it's more boring now than it was before? And if prices are adjusted along with payouts, it may not be as long as people at suggesting. If a $1000 item is reduced by 75% and a $100 payout is reduced by 75%, then it still takes 10 payouts to buy the item.
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I'm hoping, Milton, I'm hoping -- that your optimism shall prove correct. If building costs go down, and ALL costs of living in the new game are lowered, maybe it will not be so grim. Only time will tell.
On the other hand, if EA is counting on selling simoleans as a cash cow, why would they make it easy for us to reach a comfort level? That defies logic. Comfortable players won't be buying simoleans. And, rich players will want to sell simoleans.
And yes, it appears that earning money will be more boring than it was before, because the economy design at this point appears to be one where sims will have to apply themselves to working on a daily basis. Jobs can't be more boring than they are, but having to spend more time at them makes them that more of a pain. Of course, I ran a casino most of my time in TSO. (Not a money maker, but it was fun.) My "riches" were accumulated over the years primarily from the gifts from retiring players, so I suppose I can keep my fingers crossed every time I meet a bored player. Heh.
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On the other hand, if EA is counting on selling simoleans as a cash cow, why would they make it easy for us to reach a comfort level? That defies logic. Comfortable players won't be buying simoleans. And, rich players will want to sell simoleans.
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I don't think they should make it easy. Making it easy would make waste of all the time and effort of balancing the economy.
The first time (in 2002), it wasn't so easy. When DC rolled around, enough people had figured out how to do it so it wasn't as painful as the early days. By the time TC3 came, we were pro's. We did it to ourselves. We showed Luc and company that we were so efficient at making simoleans that they were forced to make drastic changes.
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Only time and all the naysayers will tell.
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On the other hand, if EA is counting on selling simoleans as a cash cow, why would they make it easy for us to reach a comfort level? That defies logic. Comfortable players won't be buying simoleans. And, rich players will want to sell simoleans.
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I don't think they should make it easy. Making it easy would make waste of all the time and effort of balancing the economy.
The first time (in 2002), it wasn't so easy. When DC rolled around, enough people had figured out how to do it so it wasn't as painful as the early days. By the time TC3 came, we were pro's. We did it to ourselves. We showed Luc and company that we were so efficient at making simoleans that they were forced to make drastic changes.
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Only time and all the naysayers will tell.
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The major shame of all of this is there is no speaking your mind in Stratics without people just itching to jump all over you for it. If one does not follow blindly and blissfully then its stomp on that person time. I'm not about to be a follower and bow down and lick toes because "OMG they are saving the game so whatever they do is okie dokie by me". If I feel something is upsetting me or I have a strong feeling against something happening I will voice my opinion. In this case I feel wiping all of our cash is wrong. I would have agreed to a partial wipe but a total wipe is an extreme that IMO isnt needed. Yes, its my opinion and not everyones and thats fine I can live with that fact...can you?
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Amen, Bindy! I'm jumped on all the time for my opinion, and I am getting tired of it. I'm happy for those who like the changes, really I am. It's their right. But when I express my displeasure, I get attacked. Funny, I never attack others for their opinions. And I agree about a partial wipe. I even voted for it in a poll here.
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The major shame of all of this is there is no speaking your mind in Stratics without people just itching to jump all over you for it. If one does not follow blindly and blissfully then its stomp on that person time. I'm not about to be a follower and bow down and lick toes because "OMG they are saving the game so whatever they do is okie dokie by me". If I feel something is upsetting me or I have a strong feeling against something happening I will voice my opinion. In this case I feel wiping all of our cash is wrong. I would have agreed to a partial wipe but a total wipe is an extreme that IMO isnt needed. Yes, its my opinion and not everyones and thats fine I can live with that fact...can you?
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Amen, Bindy! I'm jumped on all the time for my opinion, and I am getting tired of it. I'm happy for those who like the changes, really I am. It's their right. But when I express my displeasure, I get attacked. Funny, I never attack others for their opinions. And I agree about a partial wipe. I even voted for it in a poll here.
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Ughh yea I hate repair costs on some stuff. The crafted computers always are way too high, and I would hire a repairman if he didnt just come in the daytime. Thats pretty inconvenient when people need fun.
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Yeah, the repairmen need to come 24/7. I won't repair some things myself because of the cost, and waiting at my house for the repairman to show up is a pain.
Ughh yea I hate repair costs on some stuff. The crafted computers always are way too high, and I would hire a repairman if he didnt just come in the daytime. Thats pretty inconvenient when people need fun.
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Yeah, the repairmen need to come 24/7. I won't repair some things myself because of the cost, and waiting at my house for the repairman to show up is a pain.
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Count me in as one who will miss being able to hire help.
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Me three! Although I think the gardeners can use a bit of training. I had two of the white trelices (spl?) in CC...cost me a lot of money to get them. And then one day, the stupid gardener came while I was doing something else. He stood there for at least 3 sim hours and didn't bother watering them, and they died. No way to recover them. I fired his butt. And can someone please figure out a way to fire the paper girl without having a pile of papers hidden so that the maid can't clean them up? We can fire the gardener and maid, so why not the paper girl?
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Me three! Although I think the gardeners can use a bit of training. I had two of the white trelices (spl?) in CC...cost me a lot of money to get them. And then one day, the stupid gardener came while I was doing something else. He stood there for at least 3 sim hours and didn't bother watering them, and they died. No way to recover them. I fired his butt. And can someone please figure out a way to fire the paper girl without having a pile of papers hidden so that the maid can't clean them up? We can fire the gardener and maid, so why not the paper girl?
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vapd3317
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If you are lucky enough to have a robodog or cat,...let em out and they will do the repairs for ya. The repair dude keeps flirting with my girl anyway...he's a shmuck.
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TKSpeedy1
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Maybe you should define how you are using "partial wipe" and "total wipe". To me, a "total wipe" is <u>everything</u>. Simoleans, objects, house and sim. A total wipe was done a few weeks prior to the game being released. That is why many Founder sims had the same create date, they were all created after a total wipe. A "partial wipe" to me is exactly what we are getting. They are wiping only simoleans, or only part of our sim's existence.
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OMG! You can't be serious. Of course I mean simoleans wipe when I say "total wipe" as apposed to "partial wipe". The simolean wipe is what this thread is about after all, right? What other wipe is there happening currently? Please don't pretend to be dumb. We are getting a TOTAL wipe of all of our simoleans. A partial wipe would've been all that was needed, IMO.
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Maybe you should define how you are using "partial wipe" and "total wipe". To me, a "total wipe" is <u>everything</u>. Simoleans, objects, house and sim. A total wipe was done a few weeks prior to the game being released. That is why many Founder sims had the same create date, they were all created after a total wipe. A "partial wipe" to me is exactly what we are getting. They are wiping only simoleans, or only part of our sim's existence.
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OMG! You can't be serious. Of course I mean simoleans wipe when I say "total wipe" as apposed to "partial wipe". The simolean wipe is what this thread is about after all, right? What other wipe is there happening currently? Please don't pretend to be dumb. We are getting a TOTAL wipe of all of our simoleans. A partial wipe would've been all that was needed, IMO.
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TKSpeedy1
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And while we are at it, do away with the litterbug newspapergirl.
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LOL! I agree about the newspaper girl. Like I said in an earlier post, find a way to fire her like we do the maid or gardener.
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And while we are at it, do away with the litterbug newspapergirl.
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LOL! I agree about the newspaper girl. Like I said in an earlier post, find a way to fire her like we do the maid or gardener.
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TKSpeedy1
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It's not a matter of just reducing repair costs a certain percentage of what they were.
Our current system of repair costs is determined by the original price paid for that object. Prices have changed almost weekly in TC3 for the last 2 months. Everyone has paid different prices for things and is currently paying different repair costs. Someone that bought a grand piano the first week that TC3 opened is paying considerably more than the repair costs of someone that just purchased the same piano a week ago.
In the future when dynamic pricing begins, prices of objects will fluctuate constantly. If you buy something at a high price, the repairs for those items will be higher. If you buy something at a low price, the repairs for those items will be lower.
There comes a time in everyone's life they must make a choice to keep repairing old expensive objects or replace them.
We have new catalog items coming from the expansion packs. How should repair costs for all the new objects be set? What about custom content? What system do you propose we use for those?
I know the simplest solution is to make all objects unbreakable and do away with repair costs. However, if you take away this drain that is currently feeding a pool of money that we can earn in game, then making simoleans will become even harder. Removing a cost that is feeding the pool of simoleans we can earn in game will just lead to more dependence upon purchasing simoleans with cash from EA.
Every cost you reduce, is reducing the pool of simoleans in game that we can earn just by playing the game.
Everyone needs to think about the ramifications of decisions being made today and how they will affect the future of the game.
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OK, I know you know a lot, which I am sure you do...but...Do you really have to act like you are a DEV? That is the attitude I get from all of your posts. Discussing is one thing, but coming across as a know-it-all is another thing all together.
It's not a matter of just reducing repair costs a certain percentage of what they were.
Our current system of repair costs is determined by the original price paid for that object. Prices have changed almost weekly in TC3 for the last 2 months. Everyone has paid different prices for things and is currently paying different repair costs. Someone that bought a grand piano the first week that TC3 opened is paying considerably more than the repair costs of someone that just purchased the same piano a week ago.
In the future when dynamic pricing begins, prices of objects will fluctuate constantly. If you buy something at a high price, the repairs for those items will be higher. If you buy something at a low price, the repairs for those items will be lower.
There comes a time in everyone's life they must make a choice to keep repairing old expensive objects or replace them.
We have new catalog items coming from the expansion packs. How should repair costs for all the new objects be set? What about custom content? What system do you propose we use for those?
I know the simplest solution is to make all objects unbreakable and do away with repair costs. However, if you take away this drain that is currently feeding a pool of money that we can earn in game, then making simoleans will become even harder. Removing a cost that is feeding the pool of simoleans we can earn in game will just lead to more dependence upon purchasing simoleans with cash from EA.
Every cost you reduce, is reducing the pool of simoleans in game that we can earn just by playing the game.
Everyone needs to think about the ramifications of decisions being made today and how they will affect the future of the game.
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OK, I know you know a lot, which I am sure you do...but...Do you really have to act like you are a DEV? That is the attitude I get from all of your posts. Discussing is one thing, but coming across as a know-it-all is another thing all together.
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TKSpeedy1
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There is a clear majority in favor of the wipe. The coding and schedule is already set up to wipe simoleons at the merge. The new economy is designed to a more controled money situation and the old money does not work in the new system. There is just no, significant enough, opposition or reason to recode it, at this late date.
And that is my opinion....freely expressed.
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Actually, I think what you mean is the majority of posters here (and voters of polls) are in favor of the wipe. Not the majority of players as a whole.
There is a clear majority in favor of the wipe. The coding and schedule is already set up to wipe simoleons at the merge. The new economy is designed to a more controled money situation and the old money does not work in the new system. There is just no, significant enough, opposition or reason to recode it, at this late date.
And that is my opinion....freely expressed.
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Actually, I think what you mean is the majority of posters here (and voters of polls) are in favor of the wipe. Not the majority of players as a whole.
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TKSpeedy1
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Your agreement is not required, for the truth to remain the truth. But you are free to bury your head in the sand, if it makes you feel better.
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Oh, that's a nice attitude from a MOD. I've been on different boards for years and was under the impression that mods were around to keep the peace, not to add to the problem and insult other users of the boards.
Your agreement is not required, for the truth to remain the truth. But you are free to bury your head in the sand, if it makes you feel better.
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Oh, that's a nice attitude from a MOD. I've been on different boards for years and was under the impression that mods were around to keep the peace, not to add to the problem and insult other users of the boards.
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I've been on different boards for years and was under the impression that mods were around to keep the peace
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That part of your impression is correct. We are here to keep the piece.
However, we are also players who have as much right to an opinion and to express that opinion as you or anyone else around here, as long as it doesn't violate the RoC.
If you would like to discuss it further, please use the Stratics Discussion forum, private message, or [email protected] . Otherwise, it is off-topic for this thread.
I've been on different boards for years and was under the impression that mods were around to keep the peace
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That part of your impression is correct. We are here to keep the piece.
However, we are also players who have as much right to an opinion and to express that opinion as you or anyone else around here, as long as it doesn't violate the RoC.
If you would like to discuss it further, please use the Stratics Discussion forum, private message, or [email protected] . Otherwise, it is off-topic for this thread.
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all you need to do is put 5 newpapers up on a flat roof (if you have no roof art will need to tile 5 spots) or hide them behind something a maid can't get to or build a closet with 5 spaces and no doors. you'll never get another newspaper after the 5th is hid, but your maid will not leave after her work is done so if you don't want the maid there all day you'll have to dismiss her. You can count me in with not being happy with a total money wipe too (although I do like the idea of the merge).
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MandiK
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all you need to do is put 5 newpapers up on a flat roof (if you have no roof art will need to tile 5 spots) or hide them behind something a maid can't get to or build a closet with 5 spaces and no doors. you'll never get another newspaper after the 5th is hid, but your maid will not leave after her work is done so if you don't want the maid there all day you'll have to dismiss her. You can count me in with not being happy with a total money wipe too (although I do like the idea of the merge).
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Very helpful hint!! I didnt know that about the papers, thanks!
all you need to do is put 5 newpapers up on a flat roof (if you have no roof art will need to tile 5 spots) or hide them behind something a maid can't get to or build a closet with 5 spaces and no doors. you'll never get another newspaper after the 5th is hid, but your maid will not leave after her work is done so if you don't want the maid there all day you'll have to dismiss her. You can count me in with not being happy with a total money wipe too (although I do like the idea of the merge).
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Very helpful hint!! I didnt know that about the papers, thanks!
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It's not a matter of just reducing repair costs a certain percentage of what they were.
Our current system of repair costs is determined by the original price paid for that object. Prices have changed almost weekly in TC3 for the last 2 months. Everyone has paid different prices for things and is currently paying different repair costs. Someone that bought a grand piano the first week that TC3 opened is paying considerably more than the repair costs of someone that just purchased the same piano a week ago.
In the future when dynamic pricing begins, prices of objects will fluctuate constantly. If you buy something at a high price, the repairs for those items will be higher. If you buy something at a low price, the repairs for those items will be lower.
There comes a time in everyone's life they must make a choice to keep repairing old expensive objects or replace them.
We have new catalog items coming from the expansion packs. How should repair costs for all the new objects be set? What about custom content? What system do you propose we use for those?
I know the simplest solution is to make all objects unbreakable and do away with repair costs. However, if you take away this drain that is currently feeding a pool of money that we can earn in game, then making simoleans will become even harder. Removing a cost that is feeding the pool of simoleans we can earn in game will just lead to more dependence upon purchasing simoleans with cash from EA.
Every cost you reduce, is reducing the pool of simoleans in game that we can earn just by playing the game.
Everyone needs to think about the ramifications of decisions being made today and how they will affect the future of the game.
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OK, I know you know a lot, which I am sure you do...but...Do you really have to act like you are a DEV? That is the attitude I get from all of your posts. Discussing is one thing, but coming across as a know-it-all is another thing all together.
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Ok, I was actually going to be done with this thread, b/c I've lost interest in it. The decision is made, whats to debate... but I just want to say....
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Amen, Bindy! I'm jumped on all the time for my opinion, and I am getting tired of it. I'm happy for those who like the changes, really I am. It's their right. But when I express my displeasure, I get attacked. Funny, I never attack others for their opinions. And I agree about a partial wipe. I even voted for it in a poll here.
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And then you come in and attack Gracie, who in my opinion, is one of the most unselfish, most helpful players I have ever met. Gracie was helpful and positive years ago when I first started reading stratics. She's was helpful and positive and wonderful when even Maxis/EA had no answers for us... and from the moment Luc posted she's been involved in bettering this game.
I've never gotten the impression from Gracie that she felt like she was a dev or a know it all. She is one person who has constantly and consistantly enjoyed her game, had passion for it and made lemonade out of lemons.
For you to cry that you feel all of your posts get attacked, and then attack someone who has never been anything but constructive and wonderful makes me laugh and sigh at the same time.
I'm sorry if I derailed this post... but I just wanted to point that out. Gracie has done so much for this community and I don't feel that it was fair to let this go.
In my head i call her "amazing gracie"
Ok now I gotta go kick a puppy or something. I'm being too nice.
proceed to discuss and debate something that is already set in stone.
/bows.
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It's not a matter of just reducing repair costs a certain percentage of what they were.
Our current system of repair costs is determined by the original price paid for that object. Prices have changed almost weekly in TC3 for the last 2 months. Everyone has paid different prices for things and is currently paying different repair costs. Someone that bought a grand piano the first week that TC3 opened is paying considerably more than the repair costs of someone that just purchased the same piano a week ago.
In the future when dynamic pricing begins, prices of objects will fluctuate constantly. If you buy something at a high price, the repairs for those items will be higher. If you buy something at a low price, the repairs for those items will be lower.
There comes a time in everyone's life they must make a choice to keep repairing old expensive objects or replace them.
We have new catalog items coming from the expansion packs. How should repair costs for all the new objects be set? What about custom content? What system do you propose we use for those?
I know the simplest solution is to make all objects unbreakable and do away with repair costs. However, if you take away this drain that is currently feeding a pool of money that we can earn in game, then making simoleans will become even harder. Removing a cost that is feeding the pool of simoleans we can earn in game will just lead to more dependence upon purchasing simoleans with cash from EA.
Every cost you reduce, is reducing the pool of simoleans in game that we can earn just by playing the game.
Everyone needs to think about the ramifications of decisions being made today and how they will affect the future of the game.
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OK, I know you know a lot, which I am sure you do...but...Do you really have to act like you are a DEV? That is the attitude I get from all of your posts. Discussing is one thing, but coming across as a know-it-all is another thing all together.
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Ok, I was actually going to be done with this thread, b/c I've lost interest in it. The decision is made, whats to debate... but I just want to say....
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Amen, Bindy! I'm jumped on all the time for my opinion, and I am getting tired of it. I'm happy for those who like the changes, really I am. It's their right. But when I express my displeasure, I get attacked. Funny, I never attack others for their opinions. And I agree about a partial wipe. I even voted for it in a poll here.
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And then you come in and attack Gracie, who in my opinion, is one of the most unselfish, most helpful players I have ever met. Gracie was helpful and positive years ago when I first started reading stratics. She's was helpful and positive and wonderful when even Maxis/EA had no answers for us... and from the moment Luc posted she's been involved in bettering this game.
I've never gotten the impression from Gracie that she felt like she was a dev or a know it all. She is one person who has constantly and consistantly enjoyed her game, had passion for it and made lemonade out of lemons.
For you to cry that you feel all of your posts get attacked, and then attack someone who has never been anything but constructive and wonderful makes me laugh and sigh at the same time.
I'm sorry if I derailed this post... but I just wanted to point that out. Gracie has done so much for this community and I don't feel that it was fair to let this go.
In my head i call her "amazing gracie"
Ok now I gotta go kick a puppy or something. I'm being too nice.
proceed to discuss and debate something that is already set in stone.
/bows.
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yep... uh huh. (nods)
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VitArm
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Petition or not, they're still going to do it.
Get over it. Move on.
Get over it. Move on.