Yes I am as well...currently training a variety of pets the normal way to see how they gain and what pets I am going to want when it goes live.
I totally agree what's the point if we can't train smaller pets up to the best GD
Before you throw cold water over the whole publish, have you actually tried it? And then tried hunting with a trained up pet and compared it to a GD?
While some newer pets may come close or be preferable in some cases, you will not see any match a GD in this publish, Unless Someone actually listens. It does not mean its a bad Publish it just means no one was really listening to the taming community (not really)...
They don't want people to feel like they wasted their time would be my guess. That said, I sure as heck wont be using a greater dragon when this goes live. I doubt anyone who mains a tamer will either. I can make a Drake with 860 hps, 1.2k mana, 700+ str, 80/80/80/80/45, max regens, that can discord and AI with the same base damage as a GD.
Have you been testing it? I feel like you haven't been testing it.
People spent years, if not longer in some cases, to find and tame the best GD's. The suggestion that some turkey or a bunny should be able to be trained up to the best GD would be a slap to anyone who has been taming through out UO's history.
I am thrilled though that I can now play my RP character the way I want to. She can bring a wolf or an eagle, ora stag, or whatever along with her in her travels and it won't be a total liability, on the contrary it will be a helpful and powerful ally. Maybe not a GD, but something that can handle a real fight.
I apologize in advance that this is probably a dumb question and maybe answered elsewhere, but I haven't had a chance to test anything from this publish myself yet. If you train up a pet that was never really popular before, do the taming and lore skill minimums for controlling that pet also increase? Will you only be able to use the pets you mentioned (i.e., wolf, eagle, stag) with a character that has taming/lore? Also, what happens if you train pack horses, fire beetles, or blue beetles? Can a non-tamer character still control trained versions of these pets?
I have put some time in testing. About four hours worth, enough to get a good idea of whats being published and how it will effect my taming game play. Have I mathematically calculated the damage outputs for the new tames and all the variants Pffft! I will leave that to the spread sheet junkies. Ultimately I will use what works best for me.
In My opinion There should be at least 5 high end pets equal too the GD if not more. More options Are better...
Lol. There are pets in this publish that far exceed the GD in both Tanking capability, and DPS capability. A 4 Slot trained Cu Sidhe or Saurosaurus can easily out tank even a theoretical 5.0 GD. The Cu Sidhe simply bandy heals itself, and the Saurosaurus has Life Leech, so give it Whirlwind for spawns, or AI for bosses, and it's basically unkillable. I threw Consume Damage on my Saurosaurus, and he literally tanked all of Destard 1st level without taking a scratch, with numerous wild GDs on him. I lored him during that, and the Consume Damage had boosted his HPR from 20, to 150, it was hilarious.
Basically, but certain pets particularly excel at it due to innate abilities that can't be added via the new Training, such as the Cu's bandy healing, or the Saurosaurus' Life Leech (not the new "Life Steal"). The Saurosaurus' Life Leech synergizes very well with AI or WW. The more damage it dishes out, the more it self heals.
I wonder how high you could get a chicken's hp after maxing out its resists. I'm guessing around 300? heh Maybe a little less and give it feint and the mana to use it. Chicken fights are gonna get boring heh.
It does they go into a log but only if you do that with a BONDED pet... it doesn't work just loring out in the wild.
Oh yes that would be awful if there were no reason to use a GD, I dont understand why it has to be written in stone that the GD is the required BiS pet forever, its made the game dull as hell to have that as THE required pet, much as I want to cry a river for the people who spent ages(as I also have) finding a 4.5-4.7 GD or whatever, change is the nature of MMOs, things do move on...
At this point the Shaodw Wyrm is hardly worth taming... sad. Their HP are WAY too low.
I know lol I just find it particularly entertaining to watch the old deco spawn do some outlandish takedowns with this publish.
I spent lots of time to find and tame the best White Wyrm, Nightmare, Dragon, Rune Beetle, Cu Sidhe in the past. The GD made them come in second line. There is no reason why lots of pets if not all could be in first line. Wouldnt it be way cooler to see any pet in whole uo fighting instead of always the same?
I agree. One of the reasons for a pet revamp is to boost it a bit to be closer in effectiveness to other PvM templates. Revamping multitude of pets but keeping them inferior to GD is a giant waste of time since everyone will keep using GDs. So I think it's absolutely fine for pets to surpass current GDs in effectiveness.
i dont know about that, kinda seems like im talking with that person right now.
Helpful tip, I don't think a non casting pets mana ever needs to be more than like 100 if you give it max mana regen (which is cheap) since they don't spam specials it will regen the mana right away. I was loring my gator while it was killing a GD, and it was never more than 50 mana away from its max.
I didn't say I max it's mana to 1500, just boosted it to 150. Gave it a bit of intelligence as well because that is taken into the MR rate( if it is same as players calc). Then gave it good resists and stats and maxed its base damage and boosted hits and str. With armor ignore eagle was doing roughly 70-85 on swoop.
As it stands now, are you not given the option to train dragon turtles and greater dragons?
I don't know if anyone has replied, but I'll share my findings from today. I was working with pets who required no taming to control, like dogs, rabbits, birds, and horses. Training them up to a 2 control slot creature requires 40 taming and lore to control them, but I had no issues with them obeying commands. Training these up to a 3 control slot required 60 taming and lore to control them. I haven't tried the pack animals yet but I think it might run along the same lines.
Yep. My windrunner is trained to three slots and has necromage. About as strong as a clean nightmare.
Thanks. Do you know if it require 60 taming and lore to control it after training it up?
