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Why were REDs left out of this event?

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imported_Lord GOD(GOD)

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Yes and if your guild is at war you can kill without penalty.

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Except beneficial acts.
 
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Ariel2

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Guards are not working on the tram side anyway. Mongbats are attacking all with no attacks from guards.

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oh no mongbats are attacking with no guards!!! lol pointless point u get a +1 in your post now congrats
 
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I hate to disagree but consentual PvP wont work mostly because alot of PKs would hate it. You have a large number of them who only pick fights they know they can win (IE killing a miner trying to get some extra ingots) and avoid ones they have a chance of losing. It would burn them up if some trammy comes along with his pvp turned off and says "no thanx, i'm just here for some frostwood." LOL!

[/ QUOTE ]It might drive some of those people off, but I think you'd actually find an INCREASE in PvP.

The flagging system would have to be set so that you couldn't just turn it off to avoid a fight. Like, you turn it off, and five minutes later you deflag, as an example.

But I don't think a majority of the PvPers would go "Oh no... now I can go anywhere and look for a fight... Forget it!" I think that people who TRULY enjoy PvP enjoy the PvP aspect of it, not specifically the ganking aspect of it. Sure... there are some who do nothing but gank, and that's fine too... but really, I think the overall PvP community enjoys the PvP aspect, not the gank aspect.

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100% true, sure there are morons that pvp just like the idiot trammys who think they were here first.
 

Masuri

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Reds weren't left out any more than the majority of the playerbase was left out.

This event is for folks with the lucky uber templates, gear, and guilds. Reds, crafters, bards, roleplayers, and everyone who isn't ridiculously scrolled out and wearing 3471345 artis many bought and paid for with real cash, are all left out.

You'll get used to it.
 
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reachatman

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My dad told me Red characters are bad people, and need to hide from places where good people reside. Is that true?
 
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Fayled Dhreams

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This event is for folks with the lucky uber templates, gear, and guilds


what event are YOU talking about ? My scavenger is working on his third million in "left behind gold" ...just about to buy and place a fourth "storage barge"
(with scavenged gp) for storing left behind/overlooked plane shields/swords .... burned two pieces of blackrock for two cloaks of corruption (once the timing was worked out and posted) ... hasn't lost a single gp to insurance cost (died plenty ... just not insuring ...
NONE of the current monsters are looters) ...
"only" have like four threads of fate, maybe 7 of life ... still

what event are YOU talking about ??????? picked up some decent (max mod) pieces of jewelry ...finished one virtue suit and am only lacking the arms for a second ...
Haven't been yelled at and/or harrassed ... even ran a rez station for a little while ... hummph!

really ... what event are YOU talking about ???????
My kid (na 18) even came in to see whatup ... had an unenhanced loot weapon equipped ... LoL ...someone offered/paid 4 mill for the darn thing ...
wasn't "uber" by any measure we could see ...

pffft! just saying ... if the rich gots some gp to throw around ... and we can get a laugh out of it ... whats NOT fun about that ?

come on ... really really ... what event are YOU talking about ?
maybe you just posted in the wrong thread ...
 
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imported_Yalp

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Why can't my MINER participate in this event? WAHAAA! I pay my monthly fees like everyone else!
Why can't my SMITH participate in this event? WAHHHAAAA! I pay my monthly fees like everyone else!
Why can't my TAILOR participate in this event? WAHHHH!!!! I pay my monthly fees like everyone else!
Why can't my ALCHEMIST participate in this event? WAAAAAHHH! I pay my monthly fees like everyone else!

dear god..

LORD Yalp of Zento, CTDM
 
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How many red crafters do you know?


Seriously, there's a big difference from someone crying that their miner can't participate in the event and Fel players (not all red) who just want the darn thing on their facet too.

Of course you shouldn't be killing berserkers with a miner, but if the event had only popped up in Fel, there would be a lot of folks asking for it in Fel. Fel should have access to it.

Wenchy
 

RaDian FlGith

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There's nothing discriminatory here. <font color="red">Reds</font> chose to be <font color="red">red</font> and they knew they couldn't go to trammel.

[/ QUOTE ]Not all reds "chose" to go red. Through the act of PvP (and in fact, at times during the FACTION system, which is ENTIRELY consentual), people have gone red. And in fact, some people who went red through the Faction system went irrevocably red due to system bugs.

The idea that "because you PvP you must accept that you can go red, and therefore remove yourself from a majority of the game" doesn't make sense when there are other viable alternatives available.

And just because PvP isn't a particular playerbase's cup of tea doesn't mean no one is interested in it. There should be time spent fixing a system that could potentially get people more involved in the game and perhaps increase our playerbase.

Just my thoughts, but hey, since they're good thoughts, I'll continue to post 'em.
 
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I will quit this game if a consentual pvp system were added. UO's unique timing based, unconsentual pvp system is what keeps me playing. Besides, if you step foot in fel, you play by the pvpers rules. don't come to fel, die, and the complain about reds. you BLUES knew that you would get attacked when you came to fel. deal with the consequences
 

RaDian FlGith

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I will quit this game if a consentual pvp system were added. UO's unique timing based, unconsentual pvp system is what keeps me playing. Besides, if you step foot in fel, you play by the pvpers rules. don't come to fel, die, and the complain about reds. you BLUES knew that you would get attacked when you came to fel. deal with the consequences

[/ QUOTE ]I'd love for you to quit. Be my guest. Idiotic responses like this are the reasons that others in this thread are so against letting reds like you out and about into the general populace.

Of course, for all I know, you're a blue pretending to be red just so that you can make a counter argument that looks like its coming from a red just for the sake of further heating up your actual side of the argument.

Who knows.

Point remains that a consentual system would still be better than the one in place today.
 
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A consentual PvP system could go on top of what is already there ... it's called a dueling system. It would need enforcement of no-help-to-combatants rules or whatever, but it could be done.

Would you still **allegedly** quit?
 
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When it was announced, was it not announced as a Trammel-based event? Hmmm? That alone should have told you and others that <font color=red>red</font color=red> characters would be unusable for it. &lt;shrug&gt;

And as someone else pointed out, it is counter-productive to have ALL your characters red at the same time. You have no blue on ANY shard that could participate ... at all?
 
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Its not even the pvm factor

Reds want to pvp
This allows more pvp to be created
Thats it
 
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Fayled Dhreams

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Then again ... maybe it was necessary for (turn wise) the blues to "pierce" the dimensional veil ... to "set up" the part two of the event ...

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I'm actually rather surprised to hear there isn't a Fel version - looking at the world maps (in KR), it looks like Fel has an alternate Moonglow on it, ready to go.

[/ QUOTE ]<font color=red>Yes... how promising...</font color=red>

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DrDolittle

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A lot of players MAIN is Red, and they pay the same $12.99 as everyone else does, and being RED was part of the how the game was Created, so why do they always get the shaft?

[/ QUOTE ]You don’t go red from selling Girl Scout cookies. You go red from doing bad things and people who do bad things need to be punished.
 
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If the shoe was on the other foot and Fel got all the action, you know full well there'd be a LOT of crying on the boards about it. But it's ok to mess with Fel. Yes I'm angry.

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Sorry to bug you with reality but Fel DID get all the action some years back, in the "Minax's Revenge" scenario that followed the Age of Shadows expansion.

There was some whining, largely consisting of talking about all of the insure hacks you Fellies were using, but considerably less than you're doing right now.

In fact, there was whining from Fellies even then....One of the EMs dared to actually fight reds that were attacking the event (horrors!!!), when a GM had forgotten to remove the EM's invul flag. By contrast, I didn't whine until very recently about being killed by an invulnerable Minax at one of the events.

The Fellies got that EM fired, largely for someone else's error and for daring to actually fight. When I realized my paralyze shot didn't work because Minax was invulnerable, it never even occurred to me to go onto the boards and whine, and thus get someone fired.

So, yeah. Your statement above is simply factually incorrect.

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I don't ignore the fiction of UO, I just don't read up every little thing about it, or bash folk over the head with it.

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Instead, you bash those of us who DO use the official fiction over the head, referring to the official fiction as "excuse."

Cute.

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What I was trying to say was that in the interests of a game that is easier to RP in and makes sense, we shouldn't have duplicate cities that are partly duplicated but partly different. That are sometimes both involved in an event, yet excluded for others. With no explanation.

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The explanation is simple. Felucca and Trammel are different places, the latter created by Nystul so we could escape from Minax and her followers.

Here is a link to the UO:R playguide.

See the 109th printable of the document, labeled as page 216 in the text.

Now granted, this is exactly the fiction that you want to ignore, so this link won't matter to you. I am hoping, though, that it will help to persuade those who might take you seriously.

However, when you say there is no "explanation," this is a factual error. A plain and simple factual error. On YOUR part. Yet again.

So again, it's not me beating you over the head with a god-damn thing, it's you beating US over the head.

*shrugs*

I don't recall you when I was on Europa for a time, and that's just as well, because I look upon that time with fondness.

-Galen's player
 
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I will quit this game if a consentual pvp system were added. UO's unique timing based, unconsentual pvp system is what keeps me playing. Besides, if you step foot in fel, you play by the pvpers rules. don't come to fel, die, and the complain about reds. you BLUES knew that you would get attacked when you came to fel. deal with the consequences

[/ QUOTE ]I'd love for you to quit. Be my guest. Idiotic responses like this are the reasons that others in this thread are so against letting reds like you out and about into the general populace.

Of course, for all I know, you're a blue pretending to be red just so that you can make a counter argument that looks like its coming from a red just for the sake of further heating up your actual side of the argument.

Who knows.

Point remains that a consentual system would still be better than the one in place today.

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Based on who? You? I must have missed the EA official memo that stated that you were the final arbiter of all things pvp.I guess you probaby didn't think about all the other veteran pvpers like myself who would do the same thing. I hate trammies like you, always comming up with a solution to make more people quit. If you love this game as much as the next guy, you'd probably not want to see pvpers go. We make up a substantial portion of the client base for EA. Besides, you're opinion is like a belly button, we all have them. For you to call me an idiot for expressing mine shows the true ignorance in you. You don't think i'm a red? Come find me on Sonoma. I have 2 accounts full of reds. And toanswer T'Amon's question, yes, i really would quit. I did it for two years back in 2004 with advent of Age of Shadows. The only reason i quit playing WoW/SWG/DAoC/TMO was because of the turn based PvP system, and you had to ask to fight. Don't come on here to flame me a$$hat. This thread was started with the intention to have people express their opinion.

Edit : People are against letting reds attend event's because they are biased and want to feel safe. Sorry but murdering is part of UO, always has been, and always will be. All anyone asked for was for the event to also subside in felucca. No one said they wanted it to be in felucca only. Reread the entirety of the threads on U.Hall involving this issue and get your facts straight before you try to blast me online.


EDIT-edit: Also, i bet the majority of PvMers sure do love having that 120 animal lore and animal taming, magery and swordsmanship. Ever stop and think about how it got into your possession? Reds. PvPers. Kthxu
 
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A lot of players MAIN is Red, and they pay the same $12.99 as everyone else does, and being RED was part of the how the game was Created, so why do they always get the shaft?

[/ QUOTE ]You don’t go red from selling Girl Scout cookies. You go red from doing bad things and people who do bad things need to be punished.


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That is just wrong. It is possible to go red without ever even attacking, it's called reflect physical damage. Not all reds are bad and not all blues are good.
 
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EDIT-edit: Also, i bet the majority of PvMers sure do love having that 120 animal lore and animal taming, magery and swordsmanship. Ever stop and think about how it got into your possession? Reds. PvPers. Kthxu

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You guys should unionize and keep PS off the market until you get part of the event. PS slowdowns. Stalk and PK any scabs. Have a union man on every healer so they can't get rezzed.

That would be great if a PS union could get organized.
 
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Razeial

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Lol thats an awsome idea. Too bad we got too many greedy people in the game
 
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Reds are PvP characters. This is a PvM event. If you want to participate, create a PvM character and join in.

I do wish EA would stage some PvP events. Maybe some kind of sanctioned tournaments with rules (built-in rules) and prizes.

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I love the "reds are Griefers and trammies suck threads" look everyone the reds arnt asking you to go risk all your insurrence money to possibly get "griefed" what they are asking for is a fell side event (do you honestly think the shadow lords would try to take over tram and not fel? thats just silly) whatever you guys think, oh this is a pvm event. what are you talking about? it is only pvm because fel doesnt have a choice. once again im not suggesting you guys go get griefed...... but an event on the fel side gives pkers the chance to actualy pk. that doesnt really happen anymore sure theres the yew gate but that is more pvp than pk. reds just want to have fun. no one is forced to fel, what do you care what happens there? maybe someday you will have the skill to survive there.

that being said we love events on siege thats why im there all evens are on one shard a fel rule set. tada pk pvp and pvm the mix of original uo we all love.

for the rest of you if you havent come to siege yet its your own fault
 

RaDian FlGith

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Based on who? You? I must have missed the EA official memo that stated that you were the final arbiter of all things pvp.I guess you probaby didn't think about all the other veteran pvpers like myself who would do the same thing.

[/ QUOTE ]You're about as much a veteran PvPer as I am a developer of EA. Poser is more the word that comes to mind. To be honest, I could care less about people like you who get your excitement from dominating other people who probably don't have a chance to react. My concern is for ACTUAL PvPers who enjoy the excitement of the challenge of PvP, and you sir, based on your comments, are not one of them.

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I hate trammies like you, always comming up with a solution to make more people quit. If you love this game as much as the next guy, you'd probably not want to see pvpers go. We make up a substantial portion of the client base for EA. Besides, you're opinion is like a belly button, we all have them. For you to call me an idiot for expressing mine shows the true ignorance in you. You don't think i'm a red? Come find me on Sonoma. I have 2 accounts full of reds.

[/ QUOTE ]I love that you think I'm a Trammie. I love how you've skimmed over the majority of the content of my responses to fulfill your own narrow agenda, and I love that you think you've got this all sorted out. My true ignorance? *chuckle* Right. Never said I didn't believe you were a red. No offense, going red isn't exactly a challenge. And if you think that putting in a consentual PvP system that would widen the ability to PvP is something that would drive the playerbase down, then you reveal YOUR true intent: The only way you'll fight is if you are assured you will win (ie: if you can gank). Deny it if you want... you're the exact reason that Trammel exists in the first place, and my sympathy and empathy for you is nil.

On the other hand, when I was the guildmaster of Great Lakes largest and most active anti-PK guild when Felucca wasn't even the name of anything other than Sosaria's moon, I fought back, and you know what? I had respect for many of the PK guilds out there who weren't just the hacking, cheating jerks that many people are (and no, before you jump into defensive mode, I'm neither accusing you of hacking nor of cheating -- just ganking, and that's not a crime in my book, just not a playstyle I give a damn about). So you can point your fingers at me as many times as you want and call me Trammie. Fact of the matter is that I was (though not ever among the best PvPers on GL) active in the PvP world, enjoy PvP, and participated strongly in Factions when it was first released. My ideas are not baseless, and don't come without experience.

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And toanswer T'Amon's question, yes, i really would quit. I did it for two years back in 2004 with advent of Age of Shadows. The only reason i quit playing WoW/SWG/DAoC/TMO was because of the turn based PvP system, and you had to ask to fight. Don't come on here to flame me a$$hat. This thread was started with the intention to have people express their opinion.

[/ QUOTE ]Calling a moderator an asshat is a strange way of getting attention.

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Edit : People are against letting reds attend event's because they are biased and want to feel safe. Sorry but murdering is part of UO, always has been, and always will be. All anyone asked for was for the event to also subside in felucca. No one said they wanted it to be in felucca only. Reread the entirety of the threads on U.Hall involving this issue and get your facts straight before you try to blast me online.

[/ QUOTE ]Are you talking to me? Or to T'Amon? I'm lost here. Never indicated I thought it suggested that it should be Fel only. Stop foaming at the mouth.

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EDIT-edit: Also, i bet the majority of PvMers sure do love having that 120 animal lore and animal taming, magery and swordsmanship. Ever stop and think about how it got into your possession? Reds. PvPers. Kthxu

[/ QUOTE ]*rolls eyes* Get over yourself.
 
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Some events need to be in fel.....After all UO was born in fel


Really I just want to be able to use my legendary archery with leg tacs anatomy and healing, can you say pvm monster and pvp monster?

He was made him to do champs with a 40 %ssi magic short and a lil chiv - this guy can solo a rikky with a dragon slayer from start to finish. I havn't met one person on legends that he can't get the upper hand on.

But they need to put some thought into a fel sided event, for instance this moonglow event I personally think would have been better in fel. Allowing thieves, killers, factions, red guilds, THE GOOD PLAYERS, to fight inside the gate but not outside.
 
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Sorry to bug you with reality but Fel DID get all the action some years back, in the "Minax's Revenge" scenario that followed the Age of Shadows expansion.

There was some whining, largely consisting of talking about all of the insure hacks you Fellies were using, but considerably less than you're doing right now.

In fact, there was whining from Fellies even then....One of the EMs dared to actually fight reds that were attacking the event (horrors!!!), when a GM had forgotten to remove the EM's invul flag. By contrast, I didn't whine until very recently about being killed by an invulnerable Minax at one of the events.

The Fellies got that EM fired, largely for someone else's error and for daring to actually fight. When I realized my paralyze shot didn't work because Minax was invulnerable, it never even occurred to me to go onto the boards and whine, and thus get someone fired.

So, yeah. Your statement above is simply factually incorrect.

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You don't have to tell me there were problems running events in Fel lol. I have kinda played there for over 8 years. Clearly you think all Fel players are ebil cheats, not worthy of an event. You want to cast sweeping generalisations about a group of Fel players, most of which quit years ago. And the griefers who stayed aren't all in Fel today. I'm saying you don't know all those players as much as you think. The folks who play in Fel now aren't all old vets, some weren't even around when you think we all cheated and hacked. Which we didn't. It's ok, I've met umpteen folks like you who think they know Fel. You all rattle off your stories of incidents where people were naughty and use it as justification for not giving us new content. It's as old as Tram is.
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Instead, you bash those of us who DO use the official fiction over the head, referring to the official fiction as "excuse."

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Nice missing the point there....

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The explanation is simple. Felucca and Trammel are different places, the latter created by Nystul so we could escape from Minax and her followers.

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Yes, I know that... I remember when Trammel was created, I was there before, during and after... But it doesn't make the mirroring of lands and place names any more workable than they were then. I realise and appreciate there is fiction behind it, but what you seem to misunderstand is that fiction can be adapted to make a more playable game while not being discounted.
I'll try and explain this again, because you seem to think I'm suggesting writing fiction out when I'm not. We could have had towns called New Moonglow, New Britain for example. Occlo became Haven and was changed, yet the sky didn't fall. That's all it would have taken, very minor changes to make it more in line with how communities behave. Or, for the NPCs who took over the new towns to perhaps improve the designs of their buildings when they made a new start there. To decorate differently. I'm sure a little bit of effort could have given us a different feel but without dumping the fiction. Heck we could have had contests like we had on Europa once to decorate the buildings.

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Here is a link to the UO:R playguide.

See the 109th printable of the document, labeled as page 216 in the text.

Now granted, this is exactly the fiction that you want to ignore, so this link won't matter to you. I am hoping, though, that it will help to persuade those who might take you seriously.

However, when you say there is no "explanation," this is a factual error. A plain and simple factual error. On YOUR part. Yet again.

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Now where does it state that the buildings all had to be done identically and nobody could name cities like New Trinsic for a wee bit of distinction? Oh look, it doesn't. Once again, I did not suggest ignoring the fiction, but working with it to make a more logical environment for RP. That's all.
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I don't recall you when I was on Europa for a time, and that's just as well, because I look upon that time with fondness.

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Shows what you know of me in one line... My town is in Fel for starters...

Wenchy
 
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(do you honestly think the shadow lords would try to take over tram and not fel? thats just silly)

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Yes I do believe that the Shadow Lords would rather take over tram and not Fel because the Shadow Lords are scared or all the script running speed hacking PvPers.
lol
 
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Not all reds "chose" to go red. Through the act of PvP (and in fact, at times during the FACTION system, which is ENTIRELY consentual), people have gone red. And in fact, some people who went red through the Faction system went irrevocably red due to system bugs.

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This is the reason you are allowed to burn off counts and go blue again. Even if you go red by mistake it is still possible to go blue.
 

DrDolittle

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That is just wrong. It is possible to go red without ever even attacking, it's called reflect physical damage. Not all reds are bad and not all blues are good.

[/ QUOTE ]Yes, I know; not all reds are PKs and not all PKs are red.

However, five murder counts and you go red is the mechanics of the game and, even if the flaws and outright bugs in the flagging logic were corrected, the game logic could never know the intent behind the “murder”. Maybe you killed the person in noble defense of another or maybe you cowardly ambushed your victim as he was injured from another battle. The game logic does not and can not know the motives behind the attack and therefore must judge harshly.

Rather than grumping that red characters can not participate in a Trammel event, a better use of the energy would be to persuade the developers to correct the flagging bugs that can result in unfair murder counts. Removing the cause of “accidental” reds.
 
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Only thing is though, while I agree the reputation system is in tatters, fixing accidental redness is only part of the solution. The other part is to just give players choice which facet they participate in events through. There are times I will go to Tram, but others when it's so overcrowded that even as a bluebie I log off rather than try competing against the crazed masses


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*Feels sick of listen to the "red is bad BS"*

[/ QUOTE ]Might wanna talk to Richard Garriot, you know, the guy that made the entire Ultima series and the guy that wrote the virtues, about that...

Red IS bad, there SHOULD be drawbacks to being red, in fact originally the game was designed so that reds would have literally NO advantages, and they were not able to take part in ANY of the regular gameplay.

[/ QUOTE ]Clearly you're reciting rhetoric that you weren't actually around to participate in.

First, and foremost, you should be aware that our current fame/karma system is the REPLACEMENT system for the old notoriety system that, because it did not work properly, was replaced. Just because something is designed in a particular way does not mean it is the most logical progression that one could take -- it just means it's what made sense at the time.

And many UO designers of the past (and who knows, maybe of the present) have acknowledged that the current system is imperfect and that reds do not always become red through "bad" actions.

So, uh, seriously... stop running around with the idea that RED = BAD. It only shows the limits of your intellect.

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actually ... you are wrong.
red = bad
red's where considered griefers back in the day..
red's almost killed UO when it started..
red's are not welcome by the majority of players.

"reds do not always become red through "bad" actions."
how yah figure ? you don't get red from pvm or from bank sitting. oh wait you become red by PK'n others or just being a thief.. both unacceptiable life styles no matter where you live on this planet.



"because it did not work properly, was replaced. "

again.. you wrong.. it was replaced because EA reduced the rating from M(ature) 18+ to any age, also the folk's over sea's for some reason can't handle a little gore in a game (cutting peoples heads off was a BAD thing).

"Feels sick of listen to the "red is bad BS"

feeling sick listening to red's being good .. lol



"It only shows the limits of your intellect."

unless i replied to sami on accident, test me, see just how far my intelect goes. you will loose like the rest.
 
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In Felucca, your colour does not reflect your reputation and karma. Nor does red mean you're a bad person. And there's always a distinction between the player and the character in game.

Blue does not always mean good. My rogue is very blue, but you still shouldn't stand close to her
In Fel the blues can be every bit as wicked as the reds, if not more so. Or in today's UO, they stay blue so they can travel to Tram facets for trade and hunting for arties/peerless loot. Or lack the balls to become attackable wherever they go.

Folks need to accept that Fel's a facet where PvP and stealing are factors and if it's not your thing, you can stay in Tram. For those of us red and blue who want to spend their game time in Fel, we're as entitled to our facet of choice as you are. Surely if you believe some Fel players are griefers, you don't want them in Tram with you anyway?

Wenchy
 

RaDian FlGith

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This is the reason you are allowed to burn off counts and go blue again. Even if you go red by mistake it is still possible to go blue.

[/ QUOTE ]I understand that there are ways to burn off counts. However, that doesn't make the existing system particularly solid in this day and age. For a half-hour to an hour game play session, you could be sentenced to an 8 to 40 hour session of being red through bugs alone.

And since there is still a market for PvP in UO, doing something to better the system should be at the forefront of consideration.
 

RaDian FlGith

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"reds do not always become red through "bad" actions."
how yah figure ? you don't get red from pvm or from bank sitting. oh wait you become red by PK'n others or just being a thief.. both unacceptiable life styles no matter where you live on this planet.

[/ QUOTE ]You don't become red by being a thief, and please see examples in the remainder of this thread as to how you become red through bugs.

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"because it did not work properly, was replaced. "

again.. you wrong.. it was replaced because EA reduced the rating from M(ature) 18+ to any age, also the folk's over sea's for some reason can't handle a little gore in a game (cutting peoples heads off was a BAD thing).

[/ QUOTE ]Right... because the existing Notoriey system was just too hard for people over the age of 18 to handle? You became Lord and suddenly everyone's underwear fell off? At Dread Lord, your head exploded into fiery rains of blood and goo?

The Notoriety system was changed because of inherent flaws in the system, and had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the rating change. Your contention is, however, more flawed than the old notoriety system.

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"Feels sick of listen to the "red is bad BS"

feeling sick listening to red's being good .. lol

[/ QUOTE ]I've never maintained that all reds are good. I'm saying that with the current PvP system, people who take honorable actions -- which should be possible in a game based around the Virtues -- take murder counts for things not limited to but including bugs.

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"It only shows the limits of your intellect."

unless i replied to sami on accident, test me, see just how far my intelect goes. you will loose like the rest.

[/ QUOTE ]Right. Clearly I'd be afraid of a test of intellect against someone who can't even spell the word intellect properly, much less capitalize or use proper punctuation in a sentence.

By my count... you've already failed.
 
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Connor_Graham

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"Clearly I'd be afraid of a test of intellect against someone who can't even spell the word intellect properly"

Oh SNAP!
 
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imported_dexdash

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I guess the real question is do reds go to hell when they die or do they end up a blue in tram forever.......
 
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I guess the real question is do reds go to hell when they die or do they end up a blue in tram forever.......

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Auch, end up blue in Trammel forever if I die sounds like a very nasty nightmare, it sure would be hell for me.
 
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imported_IgotWood

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Do any moderators play fel? Besides cry about it? Kinda like Xenon for napa and i have no idea where u r from, but im guessing you got klled by a meanie in fel once?
 

RaDian FlGith

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"Clearly I'd be afraid of a test of intellect against someone who can't even spell the word intellect properly"

Oh SNAP!


[/ QUOTE ]Geez... and I didn't even notice he spelled lose with two Os. I can't wait for the outcome of this unique challenge.
 
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but im guessing you got klled by a meanie in fel once?

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Actually about half of my game play is in Felluca either doing spawns with my guild or alliance or gate fighting or hunting down script miners in Fel. Yes I have been killed quite a few times but then again I have done quite a bit of killing. My red has 176 Short term counts and 194 Long term counts. But on this character I chose to go red and I live with the consequences from those actions. If you are tired of being red you can always soul stone the skills and then delete the red and make a new character and re-buy all the scrolls needed and add the skills onto the new character. Now you are blue.
and can participate in the trammel events.
 
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Razeial

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If you are tired of being red you can always soul stone the skills and then delete the red and make a new character and re-buy all the scrolls needed and add the skills onto the new character. Now you are blue.
and can participate in the trammel events.

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And spend anywhere from 30-50m for scrolls? You first.
 

the 4th man

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This threads too funny.

Reading, I thought back to the poll currently underway about players ages, and how someone figured out the average player is mid to late 30's.

Reading the intense bantering, man..........lol.

Oh, for what it's worth, the concept of trammel and Fel. goes way back before Ultima Online....just for the sake of who was here first. (hm, another lol)

Keep at it, this makes for some fun reading before bedtime.
 
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MysticLlamaFTW

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*eats popcorn*
*wonders when jerry springer is gonna jump in to moderate.. for only he can solve this*
*throws a rotten tomato at everyone who's narrow mindedly defending their own extremes...*
*points at people covered in tomato and says "you're all red... you're all bad!"*
 
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MysticLlamaFTW

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unless i replied to sami on accident, test me, see just how far my intelect goes. you will loose like the rest.

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Actually, they're spelled "lose" and "intellect."
And it's not difficult to "win" an argument if you're convinced that you are absolutely right.

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"reds do not always become red through "bad" actions."
how yah figure ? you don't get red from pvm or from bank sitting. oh wait you become red by PK'n others or just being a thief.. both unacceptiable life styles no matter where you live on this planet.

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Actually.. being a thief doesn't make you red. (spelled "unacceptable, btw")
And living on the planet has nothing to do with it.. We, you included, play this game to do things that we can not do in real life. Hence the name: game. Stealing and killing are unacceptable in real life, yes. But they are allowed, and "acceptable" lifestyles in this game universe.
 
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And spend anywhere from 30-50m for scrolls? You first.

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Well first off I am not the one complaining about being red or not being able to participate in an event held in Trammel. Secondly if you are one of those reds complaining then why not do a bunch of champ spawns and earn the scrolls needed to transfer all your skills from your red to a new blue character?
 
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Reds are PvP characters. This is a PvM event. If you want to participate, create a PvM character and join in.

I do wish EA would stage some PvP events. Maybe some kind of sanctioned tournaments with rules (built-in rules) and prizes.

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LOL its only a pvm event because of how its set up, if they would of put it in fel then it would of been a pvp and pvm event.
 
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MysticLlamaFTW

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I'm kinda new to UHall, so lemme ask: over the years, how many threads have there been, that discussed the possibility of a red character having the ability to travel to certain trammel ruleset areas, but not being allowed to pvp except with those people who are in the same guild/alliance with said character?
 
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imported_Splup

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There's no need for reds to be able to participiate everything. I have a red char, but I also have 5 blue chars. Use your character slots.
 
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