[UO Herald] Producer's Update - May 2010

[ingsmsico]

Hogwash! And a pox on the houses of players who run cheat programs. Go ahead and delude yourself that UO will shut down without your "support". We will flourish and thrive just fine without your pissant cheating gameplay. We will have more fun with the game than we've had in 12 years. We will have a party the likes of which you will hear about in the annuals of time.

i never figured out this attitude. my scripting affects no one, you don't even know i'm doing it. i don't farm resources or pvp script. i train skills. do you really care if my finger is pushing the same button over and over for 12 hours or if a script does it? it does not affect you.

Don't let the door hit ye in the arse on the way out! I'd love to say I'll miss ya, but truth is I can't wait to see you get what you deserve.

they stated that will not be banning anyone outright, only "repeat offenders"

i have a hunch there will be an interesting solution to how this works. developers have stated they use the vendor search websites which are powered by scripted characters browsing vendors.

the main problem is resource/gold farming and pvp scripting.

 

[Old Man of UO]

So lets assume 50% of the UO population scripts. Then lets assume that 25% of them reply on scripting so much that they wont want to play any more. Do you really think UO will thrive with 25% subscriptions? Of course it wont.
...

Let's just assume that only 1% of the UO population actually runs cheat programs. And let's assume that all 1% of those Cheaters are are sweating the new anti-cheat measures that EA/Mythic plans. And let's assume they are all engaged en mass publicity on the Stratics boards posting that UO will die if they all get banned.



I'm pretty sure my numbers are just as accurate as yours. And I'm pretty sure UO will do just fine without you sorry Cheaters. Pretty sure the REAL UO players will do even better once you are gone!

BEGONE ALL YOU FILTH!

 

[jbfortune]

Let's just assume that only 1% of the UO population actually runs cheat programs. And let's assume that all 1% of those Cheaters are are sweating the new anti-cheat measures that EA/Mythic plans. And let's assume they are all engaged en mass publicity on the Stratics boards posting that UO will die if they all get banned.



I'm pretty sure my numbers are just as accurate as yours. And I'm pretty sure UO will do just fine without you sorry Cheaters. Pretty sure the REAL UO players will do even better once you are gone!

BEGONE ALL YOU FILTH!

On my ICQ I have 50 odd people. I know how many of them script so that's what my figures are based of. You're assuming I script?

Maybe I just enjoy to craft and I don't want to spend 1000 gold per one iron ingot or maybe everyone I know in the game scripts and they've said they'll be leaving if they can't do it any more and I don't want to play a game which has none of my friends in? Maybe if I want to buy an item, I want to be able to find it easily and not spend an evening asking around or searching for it? Maybe I just actually want to do the fun things in the game? Maybe I want to have a new character and not spend a year working up his skills?

All these things are possible!

The Item search websites should be something that's built into a game.

Also, UO clearly isn't doing fine as it is. They've laid off staff, communication is at an all time low. A lot of shards are at extremely low populations. Its a dying game we all enjoy but it can't afford to be hit any more. Notice how they wont give us any numbers of subscriptions. Only spout crap about how people who played the game in 99 are still playing now. Why do you think that is? Because they're so high they don't want to embarrass other games? Of course not. Its because the numbers are pathetic. How often does WOW tell us how many players they have?

 

[Storm]

Let's just assume that only 1% of the UO population actually runs cheat programs. And let's assume that all 1% of those Cheaters are are sweating the new anti-cheat measures that EA/Mythic plans. And let's assume they are all engaged en mass publicity on the Stratics boards posting that UO will die if they all get banned.



I'm pretty sure my numbers are just as accurate as yours. And I'm pretty sure UO will do just fine without you sorry Cheaters. Pretty sure the REAL UO players will do even better once you are gone!

BEGONE ALL YOU FILTH!

Amen/

 

[Beer_Cayse]

Essentially what is in the original post ... that's all. You haven't missed a thing. Except a second cup of coffee or sumpin'

 

[ingsmsico]

Let's just assume that only 1% of the UO population actually runs cheat programs. And let's assume that all 1% of those Cheaters are are sweating the new anti-cheat measures that EA/Mythic plans.

I'm pretty sure my numbers are just as accurate as yours. And I'm pretty sure UO will do just fine without you sorry Cheaters. Pretty sure the REAL UO players will do even better once you are gone!

BEGONE ALL YOU FILTH!

lol. there are maybe 75k UO accounts. if that. 50. maybe.

so you are saying 50 of these accounts script. and remember it is less than 1 player per account.

get real.

 

[Old Man of UO]

i never figured out this attitude. my scripting affects no one, you don't even know i'm doing it. i don't farm resources or pvp script. i train skills. do you really care if my finger is pushing the same button over and over for 12 hours or if a script does it? it does not affect you...

YES... I really do care. Is your scripting fair to those who don't and take the time to earn the skill the legal way? How many scriptors start out with just a skill gain script, graduate to resource farming, and then PVP hacks? Whose to judge which are legal and which aren't, which are fair to other players and which aren't? Wait, EA/Mythic is the one to judge since they are the game owners and developers, and they have judged it is NOT okay to use these programs.

If you want to use scripts JUST for skill gains, why don't you submit your program to EA/Mythic, let them judge it and get it approved properly. If you do that and your script program is accepted, then yes, I will leave you alone.

 

[Old Man of UO]

lol. there are maybe 75k UO accounts. if that. 50. maybe.

so you are saying 50 of these accounts script. and remember it is less than 1 player per account.

get real.

Okay... where did you get your numbers? I can pull lies from the air just like you did. Back up your post with facts, not fiction.

*edit* Reread your post... even assuming there are only 50,000 active accounts, 1% of that would be 500 not 50. Five hundred 24/7 would wreck havoc on the games economy. That would make some 15-30 scriptors per shard.

 

[Arcus]

they stated that will not be banning anyone outright, only "repeat offenders"
.

Which REALLLY gets me angry. People like you should not get a second chance. Your cheating reflects on your character and I would bet this "my cheating affects no one" attitude carries into your real life. Glad I dont know you.

Dont let the door hit ya.....

 

[Storm]

I am going to play the devils advocate here,
lets say half of uo scripts and if we ban those 50% the game will get shut down!

I would rather see the game shut down than go on with that many cheating people in the game! and the game would be better off dieing with them trying to fix it than to continue!

That is my opinion.

 

[HD2300]

The good news is that the RMT Markey Dragon fanbios will stop spamming "I wantz a Classic shard [so I can sellz gold for $100 per million again]".

Has buying or selling of gold for $$$ been a problem on Siege, with the Siege ruleset?

Irrelevant because it is a fact that gold did sell for $100 per million pre-AOS

I stand by my statement, The good news is that the RMT Markey Dragon fanbios will stop spamming "I wantz a Classic shard [so I can sellz gold for $100 per million again]", which is backed up by quotes above

 

[UOKaiser]

Okay... where did you get your numbers? I can pull lies from the air just like you did. Back up your post with facts, not fiction.

*edit* Reread your post... even assuming there are only 50,000 active accounts, 1% of that would be 500 not 50. Five hundred 24/7 would wreck havoc on the games economy. That would make some 15-30 scriptors per shard.

1%? I must say you can't really even try to beleive that right? Where have you being playing? 15-30 scripters per shard? Well then I guess i can say 99% of players never said a bad word in UO during this decade.

I never overbloat my figures even when am being genourous I say my figures. If you are strongly against scripters enough to hang them upside down am not surprise only 1% ever revealed themselves to you. Out of my 12 years of playing in multiple shards 70-80% of players I ever known scripted in one way or another. My numbers are not exact but alot more than half the players I've encountered. This is from 1000's of individual souls. I am very social who gets along with fel,hardcore rp who refuses to speak out of there character,merchants,traders,newbies,and tram.
I based my numbers out of experience. Just add in the asian shards where UO highest population is they almost all script in some way the gms,devs and there UO culture tolerates it much more over there.
I would name some famous names that brought great community to Uo and developed many things but i do not want to tarnish there reputaion.

 

[UOKaiser]

Irrelevant because it is a fact that gold did sell for $100 per million pre-AOS

I stand by my statement, The good news is that the RMT Markey Dragon fanbios will stop spamming "I wantz a Classic shard [so I can sellz gold for $100 per million again]", which is backed up by quotes above

Indeed the highest i think i ever seen it was 10-20 per mil i can barely remmember. Though i remmebr when small little houses in forgotten locations sold for $80 dollars each

 

[Arcus]

I would name some famous names that brought great community to Uo and developed many things but i do not want to tarnish there reputaion.

Ill back up that statement.

 

[Old Man of UO]

... Out of my 12 years of playing in multiple shards 70-80% of players I ever known scripted in one way or another. My numbers are not exact but alot more than half the players I've encountered. This is from 1000's of individual souls. I am very social who gets along with fel,hardcore rp who refuses to speak out of there character,merchants,traders,newbies,and tram.
I based my numbers out of experience. Just add in the asian shards where UO highest population is they almost all script in some way the gms,devs and there UO culture tolerates it much more over there...

I guess we run in different social circles within UO. I don't know anyone currently in UO who scripts. I did know players in my guild back in '98-'99 who did script, but I was just to stupid to even know what it was.

But as far as the numbers, you are guessing just like I am. EA/Mythic may have a more accurate number, but anything you or I come up with is just a guess and mine is as good as yours. WE don't really know how many script or run other cheat programs in UO.

 

[eekamouse]

If they ban R***r, they need to make some enhancements to the 2D.

Auto-open doors.
Auto-open corpses.
Allow us to set our own custom resolution. I play 2D in 1280x800 sized game window on a 1440x900 monitor.

None of which is cheating, sorry.

Also, they should add the auto-open functionality to the EC.

Seriously. If they don't add these kinds of things, they are just trying to get me to quit. It's 2010.

 

[UOKaiser]

I am going to play the devils advocate here,
lets say half of uo scripts and if we ban those 50% the game will get shut down!

I would rather see the game shut down than go on with that many cheating people in the game! and the game would be better off dieing with them trying to fix it than to continue!

That is my opinion.

Dam Storm that's bad. Why would you want to see that. We lived with it since the beggining when things were really bad and yet we found enjoyment for more than a decade. But you rather Uo get shut down now? Would't you say that the first year they came out with with UO to shut it down cause there to many cheats? If that happend we wouldn't have all these memories.

 

[HD2300]

And let's assume they are all engaged en mass publicity on the Stratics boards posting that UO will die if they all get banned.

Astroturfing - a form of propaganda whose techniques usually consist of a few people attempting to give the impression that mass numbers of enthusiasts advocate some specific cause.

People who make real life cash from UO are very vocal on the forums.

 

[Old Man of UO]

If they ban Razor, they need to make some enhancements to the 2D.

Auto-open doors.
Auto-open corpses.
Allow us to set our custom resolution.

None of which is cheating, sorry.

You might try the Enhanced Client if you want these features.

 

[eekamouse]

You might try the Enhanced Client if you want these features.

The EC doesn't have the first two features.

 

[Yalp]

The numbers being pulled out of peeps hinnies are total hogwash. You have no clue how many subscriptions UO has, how many people cheat/don't cheat. All you can say with any authority is that YOU cheat.

There should be sufficient warning given by EA when (IF) the measures are implemented. A reinforcement of the TOS. Such as..



"Effective on ... date the following activities ..... will cause your account to be suspended for.... amount of time. Subsequent violations will result in a permanent banning of accounts. Thank you have a nice day"

 

[UOKaiser]

I guess we run in different social circles within UO. I don't know anyone currently in UO who scripts. I did know players in my guild back in '98-'99 who did script, but I was just to stupid to even know what it was.

But as far as the numbers, you are guessing just like I am. EA/Mythic may have a more accurate number, but anything you or I come up with is just a guess and mine is as good as yours. WE don't really know how many script or run other cheat programs in UO.

True. But any numbers we do pull out has to come from some sort of source. Like basing out of the last subscription numbers and figuring certain percentage drops over time. then basing on people we met the things we seen. Then researching a bit on those other sites then any other factors to come as close to a number as possible. We have to refrain from just pulling numbers out of thin air like 101.6% of people I don't know eat strawberrys. Those are really thin air numbers. We just have to come to the numbers as close as we can with the information we have at hand "which by the way i wish we had more of"

 

[Invalid]

Allow us to set our own custom resolution. I play 2D in 1280x800 sized game window on a 1440x900 monitor.

I play CC on 1680x1050. I will quit and go play a free shard before I go back to a game window the size of a match book...

 

[Arcus]

You might try the Enhanced Client if you want these features.

The EC doesn't have the first two features.

...because auto opening doors can give you an advantage, which is cheating.

 

[eekamouse]

I play CC on 1680x1050. I will not go back to a game window the size of a match book.

Yep, they might as well just cancel 2D all together if they get rid of R****r.

 

[HD2300]

^^ Really even if 100% cheat now, if Mythic enforces their TOS, 99% will stop cheating.

 

[Connor_Graham]

Allow us to set our own custom resolution. I play 2D in 1280x800 sized game window on a 1440x900 monitor.

I play CC on 1680x1050. I will quit and go play a free shard before I go back to a game window the size of a match book...

Try it on a 1920 x 1080...

 

[eekamouse]

...because auto opening doors can give you an advantage, which is cheating.

It's not an advantage. Well it is. But it's not cheating. It SHOULD be in the client. There is no excuse.

Here's another feature. "Disable dbl clicking = dismount". That actually used to be in UOA, but OSI (stupidly) asked them to remove it.

 

[ingsmsico]

YES... I really do care. Is your scripting fair to those who don't and take the time to earn the skill the legal way?

absolutely, there is nothing stopping you (yet) from downloading the program and writing or choosing a pre-written script to use to train a skill.

 

[UOKaiser]

The numbers being pulled out of peeps hinnies are total hogwash. You have no clue how many subscriptions UO has, how many people cheat/don't cheat. All you can say with any authority is that YOU cheat.

There should be sufficient warning given by EA when (IF) the measures are implemented. A reinforcement of the TOS. Such as..



"Effective on ... date the following activities ..... will cause your account to be suspended for.... amount of time. Subsequent violations will result in a permanent banning of accounts. Thank you have a nice day"

We do know one thing a 30% drop in subscriptions what ever number of subscriptions within 1 quarter will mean as close to death of UO as we ever had.
Will 30% quit who knows. but if just 10%quit the drastic loss of peoples friends or long time uo family will push these other people to quit and so on as a dominoe effect. Im watching to see what happens. How many are lost.

One thing I have no doubt of we will lose a whole lot more accounts than new accounts created. There is no way around about this fact.

 

[Arcus]

...because auto opening doors can give you an advantage, which is cheating.

It's not an advantage. Well it is. But it's not cheating. It SHOULD be in the client. There is no excuse.

Here's another feature. "Disable dbl clicking = dismount". That actually used to be in UOA, but OSI (stupidly) asked them to remove it.

Just because YOU THINK it should be there you use an unapproved program to give you , at your own admission , an advantage and it not cheating? Wow. Odd logic.

 

[Invalid]

Just because YOU THINK it should be there you use an unapproved program to give you , at your own admission , an advantage and it not cheating? Wow. Odd logic.

It's no different than hitting a Open Door macro everytime, it's just another pointless click. Kind of explains why almost no other MMO even has doors.

 

[eekamouse]

Just because YOU THINK it should be there you use an unapproved program to give you , at your own admission , an advantage and it not cheating? Wow. Odd logic.

The logic isn't "odd". It's correct.

It's a "fix", in my eyes, for the ugly antiquated UI from 1997. Sorry, it just is.

I'm not asking for them support the program that auto pilots miners all over the map aquiring loot. Although, I'm pretty sure the cheap gems I buy on a daily basis and convert to Relic Frags will dissapear... which will be sad lol. (There's no way this guy actually spends the time mining... lol. Anway I'm getting off topic).

 

[Old Man of UO]

YES... I really do care. Is your scripting fair to those who don't and take the time to earn the skill the legal way?

absolutely, there is nothing stopping you (yet) from downloading the program and writing or choosing a pre-written script to use to train a skill.

Three things are stopping me from doing what you are doing with these programs:

1) The TOS I agreed to when signing up for a UO account says I can't,
2) Honesty, in agreeing with the TOS (which anyone who uses these programs doesn't have)
3) Personal pride to do it myself (again, anyone who uses these programs doesn't have)

 

[Tina Small]

We do know one thing a 30% drop in subscriptions what ever number of subscriptions within 1 quarter will mean as close to death of UO as we ever had.
Will 30% quit who knows. but if just 10%quit the drastic loss of peoples friends or long time uo family will push these other people to quit and so on as a dominoe effect. Im watching to see what happens. How many are lost.

One thing I have no doubt of we will lose a whole lot more accounts than new accounts created. There is no way around about this fact.

Wouldn't it be interesting if at the same time EA announces the details of how they will monitor for and react to the presence of unapproved third party programs, they also announce the integration of certain new approved third party programs and/or additional wrist-saving enhancements to both clients and/or new skill gain quests or content?

How many people do you think would stop using the unapproved programs and stick around or actually come back to UO to give the new approved programs or client enhancements or skill gain content a try?

 

[Arcus]

Just because YOU THINK it should be there you use an unapproved program to give you , at your own admission , an advantage and it not cheating? Wow. Odd logic.

It's no different than hitting a Open Door macro everytime, it's just another pointless click. Kind of explains why almost no other MMO even has doors.

But the point is you still have to click. R---r you dont. Its an advantage using an unapproved program. Its cheating.

 

[Old Man of UO]

You might try the Enhanced Client if you want these features.

The EC doesn't have the first two features.

...because auto opening doors can give you an advantage, which is cheating.

I guess I don't know what you mean by auto opening doors then. The EC has a macro to do that. Wait... I do have to be smart enough to push a key to open the door... you don't mean to say that the script people aren't smart enough to push a key on the keyboard to open doors?? They must be really, really dumb.

 

[eekamouse]

I guess I don't know what you mean by auto opening doors then. The EC has a macro to do that. Wait... I do have to be smart enough to push a key to open the door... you don't mean to say that the script people aren't smart enough to push a key on the keyboard to open doors?? They must be really, really dumb.

You can auto-open doors with the EC?

I was sure you couldn't auto-open doors or corpses with the EC.

 

[UOKaiser]

Wouldn't it be interesting if at the same time EA announces the details of how they will monitor for and react to the presence of unapproved third party programs, they also announce the integration of certain new approved third party programs and/or additional wrist-saving enhancements to both clients and/or new skill gain quests or content?

How many people do you think would stop using the unapproved programs and stick around or actually come back to UO to give the new approved programs or client enhancements or skill gain content a try?

If they did, it will make more existing players stay. But come back not enough to notice. People who left are not that likely to come back unless they turned this game into UO2 actually a much upgraded version of the UO2 we had planned and then advertise around the world in a massive compaign that would cost 3 years or more of subscription fees.

 

[Tina Small]

You can auto-open doors with the EC?

I was sure you couldn't auto-open doors or corpses with the EC.

There's an "Open Door" Action in the EC under Other. You should be able to pull it to a hot bar and, if you want, make a macro that uses that action.

 

[Storm]

You can auto-open doors with the EC?

I was sure you couldn't auto-open doors or corpses with the EC.

Yes you can! they just changed it so there is a 1 sec delay or so between them opening ... corpses that is! not sure if door has delay

 

[ingsmsico]

Okay... where did you get your numbers? I can pull lies from the air just like you did. Back up your post with facts, not fiction.

*edit* Reread your post... even assuming there are only 50,000 active accounts, 1% of that would be 500 not 50. Five hundred 24/7 would wreck havoc on the games economy. That would make some 15-30 scriptors per shard.

i think you are a little confused. you don't even know there is a legitimate scripting community that shuns away dupers, exploiters, speedhackers (speedhack has nothing to do with scripting) etc.. these people operate in an environment clandestine even from the legitimate scripter community. though I do have qualms with them regarding the PvP scripts offered on the site.

there are probably 50k or less active accounts, that is a high estimate. I think there's about 20 shards. so 2500 accounts per shard. a lot of people have 1 account, a lot have 2 accounts, some have more than 2. i put the average at 2. so 2500/2 = 1250. I would say not everyone is active. I will put player activity at 66 percent (2/3). that is 825 per shard (average)

I said 50% probably have used a script in the past year. that's about 400 per shard. 8000 people.

the only hard numbers we do have is the 30 thousand registered users on the site where the program/scripts are offered. you have to be registered to download the program. (it is free registration) so if about 1/4th of registered users downloaded it at some point over the past year, my numbers could be correct.

you said 1% of UO players. for that to jive with my calculations and the 30k registrations there would have to be 800'000 people playing UO and probably 1.5-2 million accounts.

do you really think there is 2 million UO accounts?

 

[eekamouse]

Yes you can! they just changed it so there is a 1 sec delay or so between them opening ... corpses that is! not sure if door has delay

Wait wait wait.... Wait!

You can auto open corpses too?

Not to derail the thread, but I don't see where you can do this. I'm at work right now though...

 

[UOKaiser]

I guess I don't know what you mean by auto opening doors then. The EC has a macro to do that. Wait... I do have to be smart enough to push a key to open the door... you don't mean to say that the script people aren't smart enough to push a key on the keyboard to open doors?? They must be really, really dumb.

Actually the client he speaks of allows you to just run to a door and it opens up semmingly with only a slight delay unlike a macro that if your running from people or monsters and there casting at you you would need to stop doing any defensive measures and press the macro to open the door instead of the door already opend for you as you approach it. I could of sworn UOA had this feuture once in there program must of being mistaken or some other game I played.

 

[Yalp]

We do know one thing a 30% drop in subscriptions what ever number of subscriptions within 1 quarter will mean as close to death of UO as we ever had.
Will 30% quit who knows. but if just 10%quit the drastic loss of peoples friends or long time uo family will push these other people to quit and so on as a dominoe effect. Im watching to see what happens. How many are lost.

One thing I have no doubt of we will lose a whole lot more accounts than new accounts created. There is no way around about this fact.

In spite of your "facts"....assumptions abound in your statements.. You assume UO won't pick up any new players in numbers equal to or greater than any they may lose. You assume everyone who cheats will quit the game outright, rather than stop their cheating. You assume UO won't do anything in the future to bring new players in (advertising, new content, special offers). You assume there won't be a push back from the player base to add some content legally into the game (creation of a search engine for vendors for ex)

 

[Storm]

Wait wait wait.... Wait!

You can auto open corpses too?

Not to derail the thread, but I don't see where you can do this. I'm at work right now though...

target nearest object
use targeted object
target next object
use targeted object
target next object
use targeted object

put a deley in between

more info here so we dont get off track
http://vboards.stratics.com/showthread.php?t=148688

 

[Arcus]

i think you are a little confused. most people do not farm resources or gold with scripts. in fact, those types of scripts are not allowed on the website where the program is offered.

Thats is SUCH a lie.. Anyone can go and look themselves. You just lost ALL credibility.

This is cut and pasted from the website just now.


Resource Gathering (255)
Scripts that assist in gathering resources such as ore, logs, fish, etc...
Arrows (8)
Fishing (33)
Hides, Leather & Bones (20)
Logs, Boards & Kindling (16)
Lumberjacking (27)
Mining (58)
Ore, Ingots & Sand (34)
Reagents (17)
Sand Mining (4)
Wool, Feathers, and Cloth (29)

 

[UOKaiser]

In spite of your "facts"....assumptions abound in your statements.. You assume UO won't pick up any new players in numbers equal to or greater than any they may lose. You assume everyone who cheats will quit the game outright, rather than stop their cheating. You assume UO won't do anything in the future to bring new players in (advertising, new content, special offers). You assume there won't be a push back from the player base to add some content legally into the game (creation of a search engine for vendors for ex)

Other than everyone quitiing and the search engine the rest of the assumptions are pretty much correct. Why do you think they stop advertising? Why do you think is download only instead of box sets anymore? Why you think the dev who got paid too much are gone? Welcome back to brittania is there advertising helps a little but not enough to count. When you see a UO advertisment on channel 11 saying come back to britannia then we'll talk about how wrong I am. But my assumptions are based on previous facts. I could say UO will be shut of the same day but i don't as that has no fact to it. Let alone a couple of losing quartery statements at least will have to pass and in the TOS we have 90 days warning before they shut down the servers. So saying UO will be shut down tommorrow is a assumption not based on fact but based on beleif. Just like saying UO has as many subscribers as WOW is also a assumption not based on fact.

2 different types of assumptions. based on fact or based on personal hope/beleif.

 

[ingsmsico]

But the point is you still have to click. R---r you dont. Its an advantage using an unapproved program. Its cheating.

I agree, using a door opening script in PvP is cheating.

in fact, a lot of the things you can do in Enhanced Client is cheating IMO. such as changing gear instantly and the way you run around trees more smoothly. every PvP'er should use original UO imo.

 

[ingsmsico]

In spite of your "facts"....assumptions abound in your statements.. You assume UO won't pick up any new players in numbers equal to or greater than any they may lose. You assume everyone who cheats will quit the game outright, rather than stop their cheating. You assume UO won't do anything in the future to bring new players in (advertising, new content, special offers). You assume there won't be a push back from the player base to add some content legally into the game (creation of a search engine for vendors for ex)

not every script is a cheat script. i think that's where the disconnect is in this thread.