Ultima Online to receive a huge pile of new content very soon, including a Free to play - option!!

[Gem]

Mesanna introduced High Seas 2.0 and everything on that slide as "their list," which to me was like trying to gauge us to see if we would want these things. I do think High Seas 2.0 is something we would want. There were also a couple or a few good ideas for High Seas, where then Mesanna and the devs said they want to fix High Seas bugs first, as Nexus said, which was different from what they said when they introduced the slide XD.

One of the cooler ideas I thought that was offered during Q&A was the idea of a Vice vs. Virtue tie-in system where people could command a stronghold on the sea, but Mesanna responded that there were still issues with the way cannons work and the time it takes to make it all work. I told my guildmate Dak, I teased, "When cannons and pirates came out, I solo'd pirates. Cannons aren't that hard." I got lucky, though, too. I got my white dye tub on my first or second pirate ship.

In the hope they are looking for ideas...I have started this thread for High Seas 2.0 suggestions:

High Seas 2.,0--Let's post suggestions here

 

[Lord Arm]

endless journey, I hope it doesn't mean endless scripting

 

[The Craftsman]

endless journey, I hope it doesn't mean endless scripting

And again .... how would that be any different to what we have now?

 

[petemage]

endless journey, I hope it doesn't mean endless scripting

Endless scripting is already a thing as long as you are not that poor bugger training skills in Haven. The question is: Will they finally start policing scripters? I mean there has been like half a dozen instances of blatant cheating pointed out here on Stratics (and getting deleted within an hour ). Cheaters went for weeks on end, were reported multiple times, but no action whatsoever was taken by Broadsword. If they just stick to that, nothing will really change at all.

 

[Uvtha]

Imagine just killing putrifier on every shard with 100+ chars. Enough to 1 shot Everytime it spawns, on several shards at once. The amount of loot would be even more rediculous than it is now.

Seems unlikely. EJ people will be out there doing their thing and trying to get gear for themselves no doubt, just like everyone else.

 

[Uvtha]

Hopefully, they won't just treat them as second class citizens. FTP should be first class citizens as well (Normal loot, Powerscrolls, Quests, etc.) but only with the difference that they are generating the revenue through micro-transactions instead of paying 10 bucks each month up front.

Just an unlimited trial account.

 

[Uvtha]

Endless scripting is already a thing as long as you are not that poor bugger training skills in Haven. The question is: Will they finally start policing scripters? I mean there has been like half a dozen instances of blatant cheating pointed out here on Stratics (and getting deleted within an hour ). Cheaters went for weeks on end, were reported multiple times, but no action whatsoever was taken by Broadsword. If they just stick to that, nothing will really change at all.

EJ people probably won't be scripting anything... they can't get any resources aside from plain wood, ore and leather, and they don't get drops. So I wouldn't worry about it.

 

[petemage]

Just an unlimited trial account.

Well, then I hope they find enough people who like to be second class citizens and not engage in anything with a reward. No Powerscrolls, no colored ore, no quests (ok, maybe each quest once per account, lol), etc. p.p.

I have half a dozen FTP or one-time fee online games on my PS4, that don't treat you second class. But for UO, people are gonna love it, I'm sure

• Players are not allowed to place a house while on a trial account
• Players are not allowed to co-own or be traded a house while on a trial account
• Trial accounts have travel restrictions –
  • Cannot visit Felucca dungeons or Felucca T2A
• Trial Accounts have the following resource restrictions –
  • Will only receive basic ores and logs (iron, plain logs) even if they’d otherwise qualify for better types
  • Will not receive sand or stone when mining
• Trial Account Misc. restrictions –
  • Will not receive ML rewards for resource gathering (jewels, ingredients, and white pearls while fishing)
  • Will not receive rewards, monster kill points, or virtue points from champ spawns
  • Will not get scrolls while doing champ spawns
  • Will not gain Justice virtue points for killing murderers
  • Cannot use Valor or Justice virtues
  • Cannot Protect or be Protected by another player
  • Cannot use Scrolls of Alacrity, Power Scrolls, Stat Scrolls, or Scrolls of Transcendence
  • Cannot use Commodity Deeds
  • Cannot do Community Collections
  • Cannot use Soulstones or fragment soulstones
  • Cannot use Pet summoning balls
  • Cannot use Bracelets of Binding
  • Cannot use the Bag of Sending
  • Cannot do any repeatable quests – even if they are normally repeatable
  • Cannot acquire BOD’s
  • Can only join the Help Channel of Global Chat

 

[Uvtha]

Well, then I hope they find enough people who like to be second class citizens and not engage in anything with a reward. No Powerscrolls, no colored ore, no quests (ok, maybe each quest once per account, lol), etc. p.p.

I have half a dozen FTP or one-time fee online games on my PS4, that don't treat you second class. But for UO, people are gonna love it, I'm sure

I mean, that's how all games with subs and a f2p option work. There's still a **** load of stuff for a new person to do.

 

[Pawain]

Well, then I hope they find enough people who like to be second class citizens and not engage in anything with a reward. No Powerscrolls, no colored ore, no quests (ok, maybe each quest once per account, lol), etc. p.p.

I have half a dozen FTP or one-time fee online games on my PS4, that don't treat you second class. But for UO, people are gonna love it, I'm sure

Whats the link to that EJ account info you quoted there? Thanks

 

[The Craftsman]

More of a worry is the players signing up for the EJ and seeing how much scripting and cheating is going on with the paying players and saying "**** this" before just walking away before ever even considering if its worth the subscription price.

 

[ShriNayne]

Most games that are free-to-play also have other options, the premium route for those that pay regularly and want full access plus a middle-road for people that pay occasionally, the middle option is often very popular as you get the best of both worlds to some extent. UO is going for more of an all-or-nothing approach. Not sure how well UO will do getting new players without that third option.

 

[petemage]

Whats the link to that EJ account info you quoted there? Thanks

Oops, shame on me. That's just copied from the trial accounts page, since the discussion was whether EJ is only unlimited trial accounts. Trial Accounts – Ultima Online

 

[petemage]

More of a worry is the players signing up for the EJ and seeing how much scripting and cheating is going on with the paying players and saying "**** this" before just walking away before ever even considering if its worth the subscription price.

They might also wonder where they can buy gold, since gear and most everything costs 1m upwards and from ettins they only get like 200gp per kill. Thouroughly thought through as usual, I'm 100% sure RMT sites must be celebrating right now.

 

[BeaIank]

I just hope that they add a South America server when they bring this Endless Journey to light, for reasons.

 

[Cetric]

Seems unlikely. EJ people will be out there doing their thing and trying to get gear for themselves no doubt, just like everyone else.

Just as unlikely as someone doing it with 30 paid accounts?

 

[Yadd of Legends]

See it in WoW all the time. I multi-boxed elemental shaman in PVP once on 5 accounts and was "1" shotting people all the time with chain lightning. LOL They'd see me move and see a blur of 5 characters and get hit by 5 chain lightnings. It was legal in WoW though. They're my five accounts.

A Synergy server is what I used.

Interesting, is that still legal in WOW?

 

[Lore]

Interesting, is that still legal in WOW?

Not sure, haven't played it in a while. I never got warned or any action and never made it a secret. It was obvious what I was doing.

 

[Yadd of Legends]

Not sure, haven't played it in a while. I never got warned or any action and never made it a secret. It was obvious what I was doing.

Just thinking, if that's acceptable practice in a massively popular game like WOW, no wonder players do it UO

 

[James Battersby]

Interesting, is that still legal in WOW?

I used to multibox in WoW and it is and always have been legal. As long as you are in control of your characters, you are not violating the rules.

 

[Morgana Grim]

I didn't catch a mention of a skill cap restriction. Makes sense it is there I guess it would be mostly to restrict existing players from having a ton of F2P dud chars for various purposes. It is a bit hard to imagine a brand new player with a pure F2P account who'd very quickly reach a stage where lowered skill cap is only thing holding him back. By the time it becomes relevant for some potential imaginary new player to start eating power scrolls, one is pretty hooked already.

I think F2P accounts' only hard restriction should be with housing and storage. That alone would be perfect and suffice just fine. As notable exception, various small and large safe guards that prevent abuse of Endless Journey-accounts in anything too important.

Agree with the only hard restriction being housing and storage. I'm ok with no vet rewards, no EM drops / rewards and reduced bank storage, even having paid for the extra storage years ago. I would be ok with no storage on boats....but no boats at all?!? Bummed out that boats will not be included in EJ, since I purchased High Seas years ago also. Now I would have to pay monthly for game content I've already purchased. idk how all that will be handled or even addressed, but if there can be talk about wanting more for keeping a paying monthly subscription let's include in the conversation the things that have already been purchased on an account that will be inaccessible.

 

[afk]

If they go with this then they will have most likely have a two pronged approach, one will be the subscription, but the other will be an item store or mall(which they have and will likely expand). They will have some things available on store where you not likely need subscription to use. For example, if they buy the high seas expansion, then they will not likely need to have subscription to use or to get the content for high seas(ships, Corgul, pirates, ect).

 

[Uvtha]

Just as unlikely as someone doing it with 30 paid accounts?

Well, probably more unlikely since the characters will be less effective.

 

[Uvtha]

Agree with the only hard restriction being housing and storage.

That would be abused. Would really decrease the value of soul stones, too.

 

[Cetric]

Well, probably more unlikely since the characters will be less effective.

Why would the chars be less effective tho? They could be just as effective as on a paid acct

 

[Lore]

I think a big issue the team has is that a lot of people I see claiming to see people doing wrongdoing don't consider that it's an MMO and just because they don't know how something is being done it doesn't mean it isn't being done legitimately. I'm not saying that cheating isn't going on by any means, I'm just saying people are crying wolf too much probably.

 

[Uvtha]

Why would the chars be less effective tho? They could be just as effective as on a paid acct

EJ can't eat scrolls.

 

[Maximus Neximus]

You know what would be great? An official post/newsletter showing what the current planned differences are between EJ and paid accounts. End the speculation and give some facts.

 

[Cetric]

EJ can't eat scrolls.

Sounds like any account can become ej if not paid. Hopefully they release plenty of details for discussion before it is released.

 

[Maximus Neximus]

EJ can't eat scrolls.

So pay for one month to eat scrolls then let the account become EJ?

 

[Captn Norrington]

So pay for one month to eat scrolls then let the account become EJ?

Supposedly once a subscription account turns off it receives a 90 day ban preventing it from logging in using EJ, to provide enough time for the house to idoc before letting them come back for free.

So you would have to be willing to not play at all for 90 days if your scroll idea is used.

 

[skett]

Just make it so if go ej no scrolls you ate will work max skill level 100

 

[Uvtha]

You know what would be great? An official post/newsletter showing what the current planned differences are between EJ and paid accounts. End the speculation and give some facts.

Well for right now, it's safe to assume that the limitation for trial accounts are what we can expect, as that's what it's based on.

 

[Uvtha]

Sounds like any account can become ej if not paid. Hopefully they release plenty of details for discussion before it is released.

I expect functional caps on EJ accounts to be at gm. Would be silly if they weren't. That said...

 

[Uvtha]

Just make it so if go ej no scrolls you ate will work max skill level 100

I'm sure that's how it will be.

 

[Tyrath]

Unless there is more that hasn't been reported, I don't even see a reason to login for the next year and half. VVV regardless of how they update it will never be better then factions was. High Seas isn't worth spending any time on, only thing it ever had was corgul and I doubt that's gonna change. Not sure what the quest system is referring too. I was supposed to be there and didn't go, im kinda glad I didn't go. EJ is gonna force whats left of PvP into dungeon fights to avoid mass trial accts of stupid nonsense. EJ will also bring more cheating and scamming to the game. I don't see whats so bright about whats to come.

LOL I was going to go.......... more than a little glad I didn't. Took the bulk of the weekend and went to a friends Cabin in the Ozarks and we proceeded to drink and pretend to fish. And yep sounds like a turd stew simmering to me in UO. I hear Bonnie at some point said UOs population was healthy......................................

 

[MissEcho]

So where is the NO option?

Does this sound awesome?

1. YES!!!
2. Yes
3. Verily!
4. Indeed!
5. Aye

 

[Tyrath]

Supposedly once a subscription account turns off it receives a 90 day ban preventing it from logging in using EJ, to provide enough time for the house to idoc before letting them come back for free.

So you would have to be willing to not play at all for 90 days if your scroll idea is used.

Captn help me understand something here since you usually make sense I have seen post saying or eluding to the moment your paid sub lapses, you go into EJ hell and your bank contents are up for grabs. So say as I did last pay cycle for my accts, errr forgot to transfer money into the UO sub bank account and payment on half of my accounts subs were declined. No big deal I transferred the money the next morning, and just resubbed using the same credit card. Done this a couple of times over the years, sometimes catch it right away, other times it might be a week or two. Is that changing? to where if that happens the lapsed account whether it be 1 minute lapsed or a week lapsed going to cause problems like being made EJ and unable to resub for 90 days? A lot of BS floating around and I am having hard separating the nuggets of corn from the green goo in the pie.

 

[DJAd]

So let's say somebody starts off with an EJ account and then decides to pay monthly so they can have a house. They are still going to have to battle it out with that terrible account management page.

It wouldn't surprise me if more people have quit/left UO due to the account management shambles than they will ever get back with these FTP accounts.

 

[Flagg]

It wouldn't surprise me if more people have quit/left UO due to the account management shambles than they will ever get back with these FTP accounts.

That sack of **** of a system has cost them a great deal of money. :l It is crazy they haven't repaired it. It has been what it is for..what, 12 years now??

.....However, I suppose it has mostly cost them money via countless would-be-returning-vets deciding well, not to due to all the ridiculous curves involved. Last I checked, it even includes out-dated text, lol. ( Speaks of " EA Master Account" rather than Origin and so on. ) If you are an entirely new player creating a brand new account, it is..slightly less bad.

 

[ShriNayne]

I was under the impression that the EJ accounts would all be capped at GM, so using powerscrolls on them would be pointless. Is this not the case?

 

[DJAd]

I was under the impression that the EJ accounts would all be capped at GM, so using powerscrolls on them would be pointless. Is this not the case?

From what I have read its pretty much the same as a normal account but you cannot have a house, no EM drops, no VET rewards and some different kind of bank system. I don't think there has been any official statement yet so everything is just speculation.

 

[Vlaude]

Should be fun!

 

[hardy-]

I just hope that they add a South America server when they bring this Endless Journey to light, for reasons.

i send email to bs every month about that, actually in Brazil the priv servers have over 2000 players online right now if you sum all of they.

i bring 5 new players to atl from priv servers this month, everyone thinking in how the f2p can be good to our comunnity.

a good idea is maybe don't open a whole new server maybe just xfer a "empty" server to here? like Legends any server actually in East Coast

 

[Captn Norrington]

Captn help me understand something here since you usually make sense I have seen post saying or eluding to the moment your paid sub lapses, you go into EJ hell and your bank contents are up for grabs. So say as I did last pay cycle for my accts, errr forgot to transfer money into the UO sub bank account and payment on half of my accounts subs were declined. No big deal I transferred the money the next morning, and just resubbed using the same credit card. Done this a couple of times over the years, sometimes catch it right away, other times it might be a week or two. Is that changing? to where if that happens the lapsed account whether it be 1 minute lapsed or a week lapsed going to cause problems like being made EJ and unable to resub for 90 days? A lot of BS floating around and I am having hard separating the nuggets of corn from the green goo in the pie.

The part about it immediately happening was a misunderstanding due to Mesanna not hearing the question right from what I was told. What really happens is that when the account subscription ends, the account owner still has 90 days to renew the subscription before the house idoc's like they do currently, however they cannot log in their account for free using EJ until after those 90 days. If the subscription is renewed before the end of the 90 days, the house will not idoc and the player can log back in again.

The bank contents will not be auctioned off, that was another misunderstanding. The developers are creating a completely new type of storage that is different from the bank. When the subscription ends, the items inside that new type of storage is what gets put up for auction.

 

[Uvtha]

From what I have read its pretty much the same as a normal account but you cannot have a house, no EM drops, no VET rewards and some different kind of bank system. I don't think there has been any official statement yet so everything is just speculation.

They said it's removing time limit from the trial account, so assume all the limitations of a trial account, unless otherwise stated will apply.

 

[Tyrath]

The part about it immediately happening was a misunderstanding due to Mesanna not hearing the question right from what I was told. What really happens is that when the account subscription ends, the account owner still has 90 days to renew the subscription before the house idoc's like they do currently, however they cannot log in their account for free using EJ until after those 90 days. If the subscription is renewed before the end of the 90 days, the house will not idoc and the player can log back in again.

The bank contents will not be auctioned off, that was another misunderstanding. The developers are creating a completely new type of storage that is different from the bank. When the subscription ends, the items inside that new type of storage is what gets put up for auction.

Thank You, that makes a lot more sense than the bulk of what I have been reading and hearing in game.

 

[The Craftsman]

The part about it immediately happening was a misunderstanding due to Mesanna not hearing the question right from what I was told. What really happens is that when the account subscription ends, the account owner still has 90 days to renew the subscription before the house idoc's like they do currently, however they cannot log in their account for free using EJ until after those 90 days. If the subscription is renewed before the end of the 90 days, the house will not idoc and the player can log back in again.

So in effect, as far as doing the 90-day shuffle, nothing whatsoever has changed. All they have stated is that once your account reverts to EJ status you won't be able to login in on that account and use your house.

All the 90-day players can just carry on as normal.

 

[Capt. Lucky]

The part about it immediately happening was a misunderstanding due to Mesanna not hearing the question right from what I was told. What really happens is that when the account subscription ends, the account owner still has 90 days to renew the subscription before the house idoc's like they do currently, however they cannot log in their account for free using EJ until after those 90 days. If the subscription is renewed before the end of the 90 days, the house will not idoc and the player can log back in again.

The bank contents will not be auctioned off, that was another misunderstanding. The developers are creating a completely new type of storage that is different from the bank. When the subscription ends, the items inside that new type of storage is what gets put up for auction.

Well IMHO 90 days is absurd for a house to drop. But that's not my call. If you haven't logged in for 3 months and noticed your account is inactive... well... I can't even wrap my head around that. Anyway...I feel the issue that has people bouncing off the walls is if they will be able to use the house that isn't payed for with other active accounts. I'll be really interested in seeing how that plays out. Maybe I'll jump on the bandwagon and save a few bucks too. Why not? There's a lot of speculation right now and I'll be interested to see how it pans out *if* and *when* they get to it. People tend to think that they say something it will happen tomorrow. In my experience everything tends to take a loooong time. Like the castle design tool. It seems like one could kick that out pretty quick but who knows when it will actually happen. I've become a real I'll believe it when I see it guy when it comes to UO.

 

[Capt. Lucky]

So how does one have a paid account that used power scrolls then go to a EJ account with a 100 cap? I'm not sure that would work. Not sure they'd do that. Would you lose the 120 and have it go down to 100? Lots of speculation. I don't think that option would be viable. Plus you want the trial accounts to be competitive. The game won't be as interesting if you get your butt kicked all the time lol. It's housing that makes people want real accounts anyway. I could see them not getting gifts or we'd all make 100 accounts lol