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Siege and PBDs... an idea.

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Mandolin

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Heh.. I've been sitting on my hands and trying not to think about it.. kind of like waiting for Christmas as a little kid. The more excited you get the longer it seems to take to arrive. /php-bin/shared/images/icons/wink.gif
 
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imported_Castor

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that feeling wears off after a month or two of waiting or until the next publish comes out with nothing for siege, pvper's or the fel ruleset.
 
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Guest

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Yep, that warm fuzzy christmas feeling wore off for me about a year ago...
Been waiting far too long for Santa to slide down the chimeney and leave me a PBD.
 
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xen

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I've been gone from the game for the last 3 months. But I periodicly check the boards to see how the PBD issue is coming along. It's nice to see that something mya possibly finally be happenning with it again. I really truely hope so. I'll probably be returning to the game again sometime soon and it would be really nice to know that this issue is finally being resolved. I'm one of those people that missed out on PBDs and that lack of it was sorely felt when I was playing last.

All the options Wilki mentioned sound fine to me. I don't care if it's free, regular cost or 3x either as long it's there and I can bless/insure my one item.
 
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Phish Phan

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You should give pessimism a try.

That's how I never get disappointed by things like this /php-bin/shared/images/icons/smile.gif
 
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Guest

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I have 3 accounts, all with PBD on Siege. I would happily turn the PBDs in for AOS like blessed (no stats) clothing and opt for #3.

Maybe some more clarification...

Obviously a number of people pre-ordered AOS for the PBD. So we like blessed stuff. Some like it to have their char 'restored to its identity' again, have the same clothes, in the same colors and be recognized, important when you like to interact with other characters much, eg when you are a trader.
Others like the PBD because it gives them a strategic advantage in a PvP situation, especially -over- other players.

It seems that not many people see any harm in a PBD used in the first case, while the second case really disrupts the gameplay on Siege, which in my opinion indicates that people opting for that case might want to reconsider whether they want to play on Siege, after all, Siege is about the challenge, not the sure kill.

Hence my suggestion that a trade of PBDs for non combat influencing clothes might be seen as an acceptable trade off.

Kind regards
 
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Mandolin

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You should give pessimism a try.

That's how I never get disappointed by things like this


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I use this same philosophy in real life.. UO hasn't beaten me down enough yet to force me to adapt to it here too. /php-bin/shared/images/icons/smile.gif
 
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JohnnyAppleWeed

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The way I see it is.......most people on Siege...I woudln't expect would get all that mad about losing PBD's.......I mean cmon...They must be playing Siege for a reason, I'm betting they're only using it cause they have it anyway. I'd use it if I had it anyway, but I wouldn't ask for one.

And the ones who do get bent outta shape over losing PBD's don't really belong on Siege anyway ;P

Now I *had* PBD's on Sonoma on my old account, they weren't a huge deal for me......since they only work for you (maybe cause I only really played my mage/bard anyway and dind't care about losing weapons, or maybe because we had insurance there *gag*).

Hm.......I'd say make it free for everyone and give up PBD's......I mean I know alotta people don't want that, and I wouldn't consider it "fair", but maybe give them small compensation? A "sorry" item? Because I think Siege would be better off this way.......

1 Free bless item for all......besides, its better than a PBD if you can change which item you want blessed on a regular basis ;P

Especially since I Know some people waste PBD's/CBD's and wish they could undo blessing such a useless item which they thought was worth it ;P (Thats what I do! :p).

My 2 cents.
 
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imported_Gwendar-SP

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Since AoS we do live in a very item based world. Without the ability of a PBD a player can never use any of the things that are a result of playing be they arti, Marti, Toarti, the pub 31 stuff or a very nice item found in monster loot.

The PBD is reuseable.
 
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Bharda

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I vote #3 because it helps out the orcs who have long since contributed fun to the siege community...
 
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Merlock

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Am I the only one who finds it painfully hilarious that this issue has been raging since AoS came out, loooong ago, and we're just beginning to collect IDEAS?
 
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Guest

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We did collect ideas a year ago when Salt did his poll. But it was ignored.
AND now suddenly we have this new thread pop up and we're supposed to act and feel like its going to make a difference.
If it does, I will be thrilled. But why get your hopes up? Those of us that have been here a year or more know we've been through this all before and it only ended up with us getting let down time and time again.
 
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mith_LS

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I don't suppose they'd want to hear the idea where all blessings, personal or otherwise, disappear and are replaced by a single 3x insurance slot to appease the whiners.
 
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Bharda

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personally I don't care if people can keep their PBDs just as long as RPers who can't use blessed items and are easy targets (orcs) can have one thing left on their body so they can start over instead of waiting for a makr to show up....
 
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Guest

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Since you asked for responses, I'll give my opinion. Option #3 sounds most fair to me...but with a qualifier. If those players that already have a PBD were also given the option to trade it for some other special, UNBLESSED promotional type item, it would bring balance to the Force...oops, wrong universe, I mean it would even things up, without penalizing them in the process, and probably make things a lot more fun for the PvP crowd, and everyone else too.

Thanks for the brainstorming...hope something productive will actually come of it.

-Skylark
 

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All 4 of my characters here have PBDs, all 4 of my characters here are done, i play here probablly as much as i play on Sonoma and Atlan. So im not new new to this shard, im just playing here more latlly then i have in the past.

there is gonna be no new and easy answer to what to do with PBDs, hell even 7th anv blessed gifts shouldnt have been put onto siege, but there here.. they were a gift, are we gonna take all of them away as well?

one of the only reasons i preordered my AOS was for my PBD on siege.... but if your gonna take mine away, then lets go ALL THE WAY, no PBDs, no CBDs, no 7th anv stuff... NOTHING!

its all or nothing to be fair here people... its not just PBDs cause you lost yours or wernt here when they were given out.
 
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Guest

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one of the only reasons i preordered my AOS was for my PBD on siege

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PBDs were not a reward for pre-ordering. It was the Hooded Shroud. Anyone who upgraded to AoS got PBDs for all their characters and any new characters they made for months after the release.
 
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Guest

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I don't suppose they'd want to hear the idea where all blessings, personal or otherwise, disappear and are replaced by a single 3x insurance slot to appease the whiners.

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Could be an idea if we unbless everything included spell/rune/bod books and e-mounts.
 
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Robbin Hoodlum

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Option #3. And although I have PBD's on my accounts I do not see why anyone should receive a reward for turning in a PBD. That kinda opens up a whole new can of worms in my opinion. If I am correct, this fix is to level the playing field that has been out of balance for so long now. As far as CBD's goes, well with enough work and game time anyone can get one, so that should not even be an issue. And as far as the comment on unblessing ethy mounts, those again are a vet reward and given enough time are available to anyone playing uo. The problem with PBD's is either you have one or you don't. If you don't, then there is no ammount of work or game time that will allow you to have one. There in lies the imbalance to the system. I say make it a level playing field for all characters who decide to play here. Skills , gold , and items all come in time. PBD's have needed to be addressed for a long time now.

Thank you for finally attempting to address this issue.
 
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Feltram

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"quote from post in another thread'

The post from Wilki has hit 15 pages. Thanks Wilki, good job Sir. The results. like the previous poll by Salt are pretty definitive. OK, no more input needed. You have the views of the Siege community. Now, give us an indication of how you are progressing in persuading the suits in EA that this is what Siege wants.

Good Luck Wilki,

Feltram
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Wilki

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but if your gonna take mine away, then lets go ALL THE WAY, no PBDs, no CBDs, no 7th anv stuff... NOTHING!

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That's on the table as well.

In fact, the only thing that isn't on the table is shutting down Siege. It was a unanimous consensus that isn't the path we want to take, as we believe having Siege is important to the entire UO service.

I wish I had more hard answers for you guys today, but I don't. However, this is no longer a stagnant issue behind the scenes, so keep an eye out for more info soon.
 
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lurker2891

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*reads Wilki post*
*reads again*
*reads a third time disbeilvingly*

Did he just say what I thought he said?

*reads a fourth time*

You mean they are actually sitting down and talking about the bless problem on siege?

if this is so then that is the most best news I have ever heard
 
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Guest

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I really hope this doesn't sound like I'm kissing up to EA but Wilki if a solution is presented to the Siege player base, I will organize a special event in Wispwood and your attendence will be required (or well I at least hope you come). There will be party, dueling in the pit, games, door prizes and more


Because this issue is still hot on the table I think I will re-sticky it.

Wilki, I can not begin to thank you enough, especially if this BIG issue gets addressed before summer.

*begins to stock the drinks in the tavern*
 
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Wilki

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First, let me state that this is just an idea, and is in no way an indication of the direction we're going to go, or a promise of any kind.

That said; let's get down to the idea.

One of the concepts that has been bounced around has been replacing PBD's with a context menu driven system that would allow players to bless one item. That sounds like a great idea on the surface, but there is a problem. What about the existing PBDs that are already out there in the world? Do we remove them from the game? Make them useless? If we let people use them for a 2nd item, then we're pretty much back to square one in that we again have an imbalance in the system, so that's not a great option. Plus, they were a promotional item, and some players would not respond very well to having their promo item taken away or made into a decoration.

Ok, I'm going to use the "I-word" here, but please don't panic until you've read the rest of this post ;-)

What if we gave everyone on Siege one item slot that they could insure or use their Personal Bless Deed on?

Ahhhh! I said insurance and Siege in the same sentence. But, hold on, let me explain... The advantage to this would be that we'd be able to use an existing game system, we'd avoid the issue of making PBD's useless and we'd be getting the same end result as the context menu PBD concept.

So, there are a few ways we might go about this.

1. Allow everyone to insure one item at the full production shard cost, with PBDs allowing people to bypass that cost, thus they keep their usefulness.

2. Allow everyone to insure one item at a reduced production shard cost, with PBDs allowing people to bypass that cost, thus they keep their usefulness.

3. Allow everyone to insure one item for free. This is exactly the same as the context menu PBD, just using an existing system. However, this would make PBDs useless, which is something to consider.

Added:4: Allow everyone to insure one item at the 3X the full production shard cost, with PBDs allowing people to bypass that cost, thus they keep their usefulness.

I know, I know... I said the "I-word", but please, think a bit about this idea and let me know what you think. Also, I'd like to request that this thread be solely about PBDs, as to make the conversation easy to follow.

Again, this is just an idea, so please, no panicking allowed ;-)

Psst: I know there are a lot of you out there who play Siege and read this forum, but don't post all that often. Please, speak up! I want your feedback as well.
 
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Ray Romanowned

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Honestly, I think insurance wouldn't be too bad at an extreme cost. It would prevent people from insuring everything while at the same time allowing people to insure things if they have the money. (The advantage to this is, if you kill them you make great money and they lose a lot of gold). Hell, if possible maybe scale insurance so it costs even more for artifacts to be insured
 
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Cleopatra

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Actually, no thanks is due if ALL players receive a pbd from this. It should have been "a given" from the outset when the error was made. As a member of the Siege community since it's inception I think it's about time I said my bit. We never wanted nor asked for blessed items here. Years ago however, there was a competition, whereby the "winner/s" received a deed which was 'item blessed'
Please the people who know more than I do about this, post here, inform the shard, hehe.

I think no-one will disagree that we have always complained about one thing or another over the years(anyone who was actually here when Siege was born, that is) but we tend to adapt and get over everything thrown at us. The PBD has taken it to another level and the customer base just isn't happy, FOR GOOD REASON.

Now, lets stop playing silly buggers here, are the players getting a Personal Bless or not?
 
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Cleopatra

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One more thing, (for the moderators )(or whomever it may concern) to try to "shut up" anyone who doesn't happen to be in agreement with the consensus is wrong, everyone who cares about Siege has the right to voice their opinion here, so, please, if you have the capability, unban the people who care, thanking you in advance.

(edited for spelling only ,was out on razzle, tipsey)
 
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Guest

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*reads his post*
*rubs eyes and reads again*
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU
THANK YOU x 954231456
 
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Guest

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I would hold up on those thank you's a little until we actually see something happen. We've been down this road before
 
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Mandolin

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Words and music by Eric Idle

Some things in life are bad
They can really make you mad
Other things just make you swear and curse.
When you're chewing on life's gristle
Don't grumble, give a whistle
And this'll help things turn out for the best...

And...always look on the bright side of life...
Always look on the light side of life...

If life seems jolly rotten
There's something you've forgotten
And that's to laugh and smile and dance and sing.
When you're feeling in the dumps
Don't be silly chumps
Just purse your lips and whistle - that's the thing.

And...always look on the bright side of life...
Always look on the light side of life...

For life is quite absurd
And death's the final word
You must always face the curtain with a bow.
Forget about your sin - give the audience a grin
Enjoy it - it's your last chance anyhow.

So always look on the bright side of death
Just before you draw your terminal breath

Life's a piece of [censored]
When you look at it
Life's a laugh and death's a joke, it's true.
You'll see it's all a show
Keep 'em laughing as you go
Just remember that the last laugh is on you.

And always look on the bright side of life...
Always look on the right side of life...
(Come on guys, cheer up!)
Always look on the bright side of life...
Always look on the bright side of life...
(Worse things happen at sea, you know.)
Always look on the bright side of life...
(I mean - what have you got to lose?)
(You know, you come from nothing - you're going back to nothing.
What have you lost? Nothing!)
Always look on the right side of life...
 
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Mandolin

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Weeeeee!!! I was wondering if anyone would catch the irony in my post! Congrats Dave! /php-bin/shared/images/icons/wink.gif
 
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Mandolin

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The Irony?

Irony is that it's a nice little ditty about futility.


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*fish swims up to hook.. fish looks at worm on hook.. worm looks suspicous.. fish avoids hook*
 
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Fussel

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Follow the holy sandal of Siege perilious!

ya, know, ladies, we may be the smallest shard, but we for sure are the loudest.

*waits*

oh and Mondalin..that was fishy....
 
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Darth-SP

Guest
I know Binky is all for taking all blessings away.

Take pet bonding away as well. Otherwise we would have a bunch of tamers running around doing the jade thing. Ummm.... maybe we shoudl take away pet bonding anyawy.

Arties would then just become show peices I guess. Not sure this is a good idea or not, but heck might be fun to try it. I would guess the balance between mages and warriors would be even more out of wack. AS a warrior is much more item dependent than a mage. I migh thave to learn to play a mage. Ewwww!

I just wish hey did something to make the new players comming into the shard at leat play on a fairly even field.
 
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RedPhoenix

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Disable Bless Deeds and all blessing alltogether on Siege and be done.

Bless deeds can become a rare item on Siege.

The only time we should be 'blessed' is if we are lucky enough to get back to our dead body and gather our things, are able to kill the beast or player that looted us and recover some items or if the player that looted us is kind enough to give a few items back. These are blessings.
 
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Sausage

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Yup, id be all for removing all blessings.

Frankly I think a warrior can compete jsut as easily or easier than a mage without a pbd. there are tons of great weps out there, i always carried 4 decent pvp caliber weps, never needed to lean on an arti to get things done.

Mages would be back down at 2/4 casting, unless they liked blowing through 1/3's all the tiem, so they'd actulaly be slower.

No firepants means no one has the same crazy resist suits, and no helms means warriors hit more.

But then again, why am I bothering to post. Its not like any of this is actually going to happen, lol.
 
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