*nearly slips into a coma after skimming through 300+ posts*
wait, what were we talking about again?
oh yeah, i agree, eight circle spells, save a couple, are a bust;
as for a solution, i could go either way. we could group all the summon spells into one spell(i.e. polymorph) or we could just do away with them altogether. i rarely, hell, never, use summon spells anyway. in any case, im totally for new 8th circle spells.