Thats funny because that describes us. and every country throughout history. weather be on a small or grand scale!
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Ole Cheapy
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How do you think the Indians felt about the "Cowboys" having rifles? I understand where you're coming from, but an old saying seems to come to mind here. Do on to others........
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Black magick
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Cheapy... do you even know what cowboys were back then?
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Ole Cheapy
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The word cowboy was not meant as a western man in a widebrim hat. i meant the word as in hot heads, bullies, etc. etc.
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Black magick
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Ahh ok that helps
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Bennos Morales
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I will NOT!
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Bennos Morales
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bah, as if CNN,CBS and PBS aren't the polar opposite....what news media do you watch?
I dont watch any of it. its all bull hockey. If you want the real info and this will sound goofy go to the soldiers that are over seas myspace pages. even tho your not supposed to most of them post whats really going on over in iraq and theres actually alot of info off myspace. also you tube propeganda videos.
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Ole Cheapy
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And why is that?
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Ole Cheapy
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I think you misunderstood my post, I don't watch the news at all.
Because I am not a Socialist, Progressive, or Communist. I am a Capitalist. Sadly, I can either vote for Bob Barr (and "waste" my vote) or I can vote for McCain and HOPE (haha, I used an Obamination word) that he doesn't get us as close to complete ruin as Obama would. Some choice.
What's really scary is that a lot of people think this...I think we first need to change ourselves before we try to change others. Then maybe we could improve our relationship with some of the other countries and then maybe they wouldn't wanna blow us up.
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Ole Cheapy
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Or you could vote for Mccain and he dies of old age, then we get some airhead stripper running the country. And I would bet the ranch you voted for Bush twice. Why do you think there was a need for a bailout in the first place, Mr. Capitalist?Because I am not a Socialist, Progressive, or Communist. I am a Capitalist. Sadly, I can either vote for Bob Barr (and "waste" my vote) or I can vote for McCain and HOPE (haha, I used an Obamination word) that he doesn't get us as close to complete ruin as Obama would. Some choice.
Yes, I voted for Bush twice although like most, I am less than impressed with his second term. I'd also wager you voted for the two trees (Gore and Kerry), or more likely Nader?
And first of all, I reject the notion that a bailout was needed. It's the socialism in our politicians that brought the bailout to the taxpayers. However, what CREATED the situation that led to the bailout is very simple: the progressives in congress forced lending companies to carry a set percent of sub-prime loans (20% I believe?) in order to do business with Freddy and Fannie. So, our benevolent government told the private sector how to do business and once again showed that they have no business in the private sector.
I know it's hard to believe, but the government really does NOT know best. For the MOST part, they're a bunch of power hungry, corrupt, incompetent buffoons who ruin everything they touch and they have an incredible track record of failure behind them.
*edit* Forgot about your comment about Palin. Just because she has different values than you do doesn't make her an airhead. I'll take the small town, newcomer over the plagiarist career sleaze bag Biden.
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Ole Cheapy
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That is far from the truth, friend. As a mortgage broker myself I'll tell you the biggest problem with the banks was their own greed...allow me to explain....
Banks were offering incentive (paying them more money) to mortgage brokers to sell the adjustable rate over a fixed rate, and naturally the mortgage brokers were gonna push the adjustable rates a lot harder because it paid them more money on the back end. The gov beloved Bush stepped in and made it so mortgage brokers would not make any more money selling the adjustable rate than he did selling the fixed rate thinking this would fix the problem. Wrong, at this time too many people are already on adjustable rates with the rates coming due, that rate would then continue to rise EVERY 6 months until it topped out at around 13% causing the homeowner to eventually foreclose. The banks only wanted to push adjustable rates so the rates could continue to rise making their greedy butts (downgraded for ROC) more money.
Then they came out with plan B, which was called FHA Secure loan, meaning that if the homeowner had been current on all payments before his rate adjusted, he would be elgible to be refinanced. But now at this point, because of banks greed and all the fraudulent mortgages (which were created by prime loans and not sub-prime I might add), banks are not lending money to hardly anyone. hell, people can't even get car loans or credit card loans, and students can't even get student loans to go to college. What does that say about your leader Bush?
In the end it was the greed of the banks who caused them to go broke in the first place, and now they get a get out of jail free card with this bailout crap. And it comes as no surprise to me the gov is wanting to partner up with the ones who benefit from this bailout. And you still want to vote republican? HA!
FYI: I have NEVER sold an adjustable rate loan. EVER.
That made me chuckle out loud since I JUST bought a new car and got a student loan. That's beside the point though.
a) Like the old line from that bad 80's movie says, greed is good. Greed employs people. What is bad is when the government takes the RISK out of greed. Even if what you said about the variable loans is true, that is only half the equation. With the brain dead progressive Dems (and to a lesser extent, GOP) FORCING banks to make a certain percentage of subprime loans to people who everyone knew would not be able to repay them, a collapse was a matter of when, not if. There were politicians giving speeches on the floor of the house 5 years ago foretelling this but no one listened. Our economy was too good and politicians were too busy buying votes with our tax money.
b) The government doesn't give a whit about making some banker more money. This is just a power grab on their part. Socialism puts MORE power in their hands and that's what they want. Why else do you think they are there??? They go there to get rich, they stay there to become powerful. They play up class and race to inflame both sides against each other so we won't notice them reaching around and stealing our wallets.
No, I WANT to be able to elect an HONEST politician who cares more about this country and its future success than lining his/her pocket with cash and acquiring power. However, what I want and what I can choose from are two very different things. In my mind, voting for Obama is akin to putting the final nail in the coffin for this country. Voting for McCain is tapping the nail half way in. Neither choice is palatable. However, at least with McCain there's a modicum of hope left, even if it is so small it's nearly invisible to the naked eye. What made this country great was capitalism and the American spirit of ingenuity and hard work. Nothing kills that faster than socialism or progressivism.
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Quira
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I don't often agree with Cheapsuit in UO, but here I must say he has a couple of valid points.
As an outsider, euro guy and all I see things from a different perspective perhaps
Mo, a fair number of nations have nukes now, China, Russia, India, Pakistan, a number of European countries... only one has been unstable enough to use them so far.
As for the debate, there was a survey about your candidate presidents all over the world. The only country where Obama didn't clearly win was the US.
And that is strange... of course we would all vote for Obama, he is the smarter guy. But for us (here in Europe, and perhaps all over the world) it would be far better that you all vote for McCain. Democrats are far more protectionist, that would hurt our economies.
Kind regards
As an outsider, euro guy and all I see things from a different perspective perhaps
Mo, a fair number of nations have nukes now, China, Russia, India, Pakistan, a number of European countries... only one has been unstable enough to use them so far.
As for the debate, there was a survey about your candidate presidents all over the world. The only country where Obama didn't clearly win was the US.
And that is strange... of course we would all vote for Obama, he is the smarter guy. But for us (here in Europe, and perhaps all over the world) it would be far better that you all vote for McCain. Democrats are far more protectionist, that would hurt our economies.
Kind regards
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Ole Cheapy
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You're right the subprime loans have a higher forclosure rate, but why you think that is? Because they get higher rates and then they adjust every 6 months after the first 2 years. Anything under a 680 credit score is considered subprime and before this recession the average american's credit score was 620, I don't even wanna think about what that average is right now.
When the economy gets this way where do you think the money goes? Does is just disappear off the face of the earth? Or does it mysteriously get into the hands of the super wealthy? The money doesn't just vanish, it only gets directed in the direction of the people in power. Sleep on that one before you reply.
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Trep
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wow... i didn't realize not knowing anything....about anything... counted as "values'?
no wonder the world thinks we're idiots
Careful, your partisanship is showing. From a small town mayor, to a governor, to a VP candidate. Yeah, she's pretty vacant.
Two thirds of the world are tired, worn out regimes that lie to their people about how evil we are because we have "stuff" and they don't. Guess what? I don't give a **** about them nor what they think. If I were in charge, I'd take my ball and go home. I put all of our foreign aide money back into this country and let the world twist in the wind.
So, in your world, profit should be illegal? We should just give communism a try because why? It's worked so well everywhere else? I hate to break this to you but life isn't fair. There are rich people and there are poor people. Kids get sick. P Diddy is rich. It's always going to be that way. All you do by taking profit and capitalism out of the system is create another third world country where only the politicians have money and power. Think on that one before you reply.
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Ole Cheapy
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You think some lucky "private" companies are holding all the money that this country has loss? Surely you don't believe that, do you?
No, no, no. I was talking about the concept of profit. All this country has lost is confidence. Our economy is one big shell game.
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Ole Cheapy
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I agree with you, I'm all for capitalism too. And I also see the point of not wanting certain countries getting their hands on nuclear weapons, I just don't like the whole idea and the mentality of manifest destiny that the USA have. Typically what Manifest Destinty suggest is that the USA has the right to take over another country for their own good(the good of the other country).
like rush said we have to drag Mccain over the finish line and hope we can fix his screwups later
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoxlzPGIPt4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG_HuFtP8w8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ygg2uWsKK6w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ygg2uWsKK6w
why couldnt we get this guy instead.......?????.......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoxlzPGIPt4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG_HuFtP8w8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ygg2uWsKK6w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ygg2uWsKK6w
why couldnt we get this guy instead.......?????.......
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Ole Cheapy
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I have yet to hear a reasonable explanation from any of you why you think Barak Obama would be a bad selection for our president. Please explain in detail. *waits*
Inexperience.
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Ole Cheapy
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There has never been a more inexperience president than Baby Bush, yet you guys voted him in office not once, but twice! And now the US suffers the worst economy drop in the history of our country. But maybe no one notice his inexperience for personal reasons? In fact I wouldn't be at all surprised if ole Baby Bush was in special ed.
It's funny how everyone blames Bush for the failing economy but no one realizes the amount of time it takes for the ecomony to be effected by trends. I'm not saying Bush did great things, but you really think that the failing economy today has anything to do with anything he did? Name a policy or legislature by George Bush that caused the economic crash.
There are two factors causing a failure in our economy. One is ARM mortgages and the banks lending to people who should not have qualified for loans. The other is OPEC recognizing a weakness in the US economy and exploiting it. And yes, it was quite intentional by OPEC.
Name somthing he did to fix anything....go ahead anything? In my opinion not doing anything to stop it, is just as bad is breaking it. Hes "in charge," and as so hes responsible to help things. instead him and his cronies, went with greeed, and selfishness.
Im glad everything is collapsing. maybe we can get a new system that dosent put ******* in power. then reward them for doing nothing.
Hmm, maybe the 700 billion dollar legislation? I know it wasn't him alone, but since you want to blame everything on one man, shouldn't he get the credit as well?
Maybe the fact that the market rebounded 900 points yesterday? Shouldn't he get credit for that? Why do some people hand all the blame on one person but when it goes the other way, they don't want to give the credit?
Really?
them passing 700 billion to people that helped run the country into the ground, isnt good. especially when he helped make the problem.
bounced back 900 points? There decisions made those points drop. they shouldnt be rewarded for putting them back. Now they want a big pat on the back. they should feel lucky they arent drug out into the streets and beat.
Im not saying it was just him, but he took the title of leader on his own accord. so when he messes up he should be held accountable. along with anyone that had a hand in this crap.
Bush cut taxes, which if Obama is elected will go away and be replaced with raised taxes for anyone making over 250k a year. 250k is not a tax on the rich, its a tax on working class america and more pointedly small business.
Honestly it has been going up and down several hundred points each way depending on the time of day you check it. The market isnt the problem though, its the bailout of companies that intentionally mismanaged their finances and by every rights those companies should have been allowed to fail. The government has no place manipulating the economy in this way. All of this would have sorted itself out over time and the economy would have stabilized and rebounded with people that had managed theirselves better in the black, but instead we will just throw more money than we have spent in Iraq over the last decade at it all in one day and hope for the best.
1. William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn helped launch his political career, and he has ties to the 1960's terrorist group the weather underground.
2. Obama spent the last 2 decades as a member of an openly racist church, and has made numerous racist remarks in his books and through public speech.
3. The founding fathers of this country absolutely did not want Americans to pay half of their total earnings in taxes, Obama wants you to pay this and more.
4. Obama was a senator for less than 200 days when he began his bid for the presidency, and before that had very little to no experience managing either a budget or a company.
5. Obama has accused our troops of bombing innocent civillians and gone as far as to classify american soldiers as murderers.
6. Obama is not a liberal as he claims, however his views do lean a bit towrd another political agenda which is socialism.
7. He has direct ties to the group Acorn which has been linked to voter fraud.
I agree 100%. The government shouldn't have passed the 700 billion thing. They shouldn't have done anything at all. As you said, the market will stablize itself.
I'm still confused tho. You complain that he didn't do anything, then you complain that he did. You still have yet to show me how Bush caused the crisis?
Was he approving the loans at the banks or something?
And yes, he sould be accountable when things go wrong. But at the same time, he should get credit when they go right.
well im not rich or middle class. im poor. so i doesnt affect me. why do all these people only care about rich and middle class? let me guess poor people will get trickle down?
couldnt agree more!
funny all these points can be directed at any president through history. the names and dates change but the crap stays the same.
1. I like to think of them as people tired of crap. tomato, tomatoe
2. the whole country is and "ist" or some sort. racists, sexists, ageists, you name it. please tell me you dont think the presidents of the past werent.
3. i dont recall hearing him say pay us half. i dont think they want us to pay double and triple taxes either. i dont hear anyone complaining about that.
4. hmmm a guy that hasnt proven himself, or a guy that has proved to suck.
5. i dont disrespect soldiers, but they are murderers. they kill people its there job.
6. i have links to democrates and republicans, does that mean i support either of them? I have links to video games, do i support EA. thats a HELL NO!
so as you can see from any ones point of view anything is justifiable.
LOL, you just disrespected them by calling them murderers...la
I didnt say he caused it. But hes in charge. these things go through him. (what ever happened to "The buck stops here")
if he did something right. id say yeah he did.
let me put it this way. im self employed, if i show up to do a job. and break a bunch of there stuff. I dont get a pat on the back for fixing them. i get fired if i dont. its called accountability.
didnt realize the term murderer was Disrespectful? so shouldnt I call someone a Garbage man if the pick up trash. people have become to PC. if your a soldier your "job" is to fight. which in terms makes you a killer, or murderer.
"killing is killing, whether its done for fun, duty, or profit!"
Wait, lemme get this right. You are self-employed. If you break something, you fire yourself?
I assume what you meant was that you would not get paid for that job. (contractor I'm guessing?).
If you go do a job, you get paid if you do it right. You probably also get a thank you, since you didn't cause the issue that you had to fix.
When is the last time you thanked Bush or Congress for something they did right?
If you do it wrong, you don't get a thank you. You get an unhappy customer, and you might not get paid. Moreover, you are never called again by that customer.
You have no problem being the complaining customer, why do you have so much problem with the thank you when its done right?
There is a profound difference between Killing and Murdering.
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Define that "profound" difference please...
If you kill someone, it is murder. It does not matter for which cause you did it for.
Wait, lemme get this right. You are self-employed. If you break something, you fire yourself?
I assume what you meant was that you would not get paid for that job. (contractor I'm guessing?).
If you go do a job, you get paid if you do it right. You probably also get a thank you, since you didn't cause the issue that you had to fix.
When is the last time you thanked Bush or Congress for something they did right?
If you do it wrong, you don't get a thank you. You get an unhappy customer, and you might not get paid. Moreover, you are never called again by that customer.
You have no problem being the complaining customer, why do you have so much problem with the thank you when its done right?
Thats my point. what have they done right? Im definatly down with letting the thank yous fly. What have they done to make me want to thank them? nothing is the anwser to that.
not thanking him for the economy.
not thanking him for this awsome war.
not thanking him for getting him and all his cronies theres.
not thanking him for standing there and lieing to our faces, then laughing and smiling bout it.
exactly my point.
but hey they have jobs, and as long as there not trying to kill me.
if you had given ea 800k to do your biddiing as obama has acorn i would say yes.
in a sense yes. the poor in order not to be the destitute need a job, and who do you think pays them? Obama is in favor of raising the tax rate on big business to about 70%. Your job will soon be done by cheap chinese labor my friend because it was simply to expensive to do business here.
american patriots have given their lives and fortunes so that you may live free today. it disrespects the memory of the men who fell in the defense of liberty for you to say what you are, yet they still gave the last full measure so you could.
I used to buy EA products. then i realized what they were doing, so i stopped supporting them. Cant the same happen to other people in other situations.
well acually i run my own business. so yeah in order for me to work people need money.
As for the chinese taking my job hardly likely, the illegal mexicans already are. I dont worry though, because if i cant compete, im in big trouble.
alot of americans dont want to compete, so they lose.
They chose there path. I respect they took a stance, on what they belived. I didnt however ask them to kill for me. or in the name of anything. killing is wrong.
would i kill someone if being attacked? hell yeah.
would i sign myself up to go and fight for someone else, when you dont know or understand the cause? hell no.
they did there job and so i thank them for that. I dont have to agree with the way it was done.
Police officers kill. They are not charged with "murder".
People kill in self defense. They are not charged with "murder".
Websters:
Kill: 1 a: to deprive of life : cause the death of b
Murder: 1: the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought
Killing is an act. Murder is a crime. If there is no crime, it is not murder.
Big difference.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6199379.html?tag=latestheadlines;title;2
heres some bull crap. Now the government is literally invading games!!!!
heres some bull crap. Now the government is literally invading games!!!!
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Sweeney
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Conversely, if it's not a crime, it could never be murder. Who's laws are we using to judge this minor detail? In the US it would be US laws.. in iraq it would be...
Actually, its a bit more than a point of view. When you call soldiers murderers, you are implying a crime. Surely you see why people would call that disrespectful?
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