Siege has the ROT system. After 70 your gains are predictable so you can just set a timer and click a skill once(or several times....regardless you get your gain than set the timer again) and boom ya got your gain untill that timer runs out again. Very handy for skills like taming or imbuing. Also you can log out with alactrities and get bigger gains and make said scroll last ALOT longer. Skill gaining alone is enough to make anyone like SP imho. Freja posted info about the ROT system earlier in this thread I believe.Over the years I have seen a lot of negative about siege and to be honest have not devoted much time to the shard at all. Until a week ago when I made character that started with 50 mage 50 taming and some necro. One week later I have 95.4 mage, 91.7 taming, 93 necro, 100 lore... 50 eval and 66 speak. In that week I have banked 8.5 mil, did NOT use and advanced character or mythic token, have placed 4 houses in good spot (What I consider good spots anyway) Got some help from NEW2 with a couple of LRC suits and seeds. Died over 50 times to stupid wisp, 1 time to a PK and muliple times to the critters I hunt. Skill gains are different on siege in particular I have noticed taming I get a gain about every 20 minutes and get the gain whether the tame is succesful or not, lore gains are slower after 70 than on production shards though. The economy is well balanced and not flooded with dupes and x shard gold and items. I did upgrade an account with the rustic pack and got 1 raised bed on siege that is worth about 20 mil less on siege than on GL or Legends LRC suits that sell for 9-10 mil prod shard sell for 100K-250k on siege. Overall Siege suits my play style well and I do not PvP at all unless it is a PvP pounding me to death. I play mostly in Fel on production shards and will take the Siege PvP and Pkrs and day over the prod shard punks in fel. I have met more red and blues and while some will whack you just to whack you most just stop take a look at you and move on and if they do whack you usually don't take your junk and Rez you. I have yet to have another blue attack me but I live on the fringes and don't spend much time in the civilized areas of UO. I also don't do spawns or farm the "High End" stuff where I would be more likely to run into other people. All in all I am going to spend about half my play time on siege and if ever I can turn in my vet reward and store bought items and move them to siege will make the move 100% I would now. I don't care about my prod shard gold and junk items but I just can't give up my vet rewards, and things like chargers, soul stones, and raised beds that I have aquired through vet rewards or paid real money for in the UO store. LOL I would even let my castles and keeps go idoc not like I have not done that before just to watch people run around picking up junk and laughing at their antics when you let a Fel Castle IDOC on GL
Really not a lot of difference between siege and living in fel other than you don't have a bunch of 10 year olds that maxxed out mommies credit card buying the best gear and bless deeds for it and hundreds of millions of gold. Pretty much everything on siege seems to a gift or earned the old fashioned way. Yep definitaly fits my odd ball play style. Should have went siege back when the shard went live
We have an economy? Gold is worthless on Siege. Theres nothing to spend it on.are you sick of your millions being basicly worthless ? come find an economy thats not ... hosed.
What do you mean? I am working hard saving up to buy a lrc suit and a full spellbook.We have an economy? Gold is worthless on Siege. Theres nothing to spend it on.
Opposed to a prodo shard where everything is scripted and spoon fed to you within the confines of Luna at an extreme mark up.We have an economy? Gold is worthless on Siege. Theres nothing to spend it on.
There is small stuff. But once you become ESTABLISHED. Its few and far between to buy anything useful.What do you mean? I am working hard saving up to buy a lrc suit and a full spellbook.
That being said. I met a lot of nice people yesterday as I escorted them from town to town. Almost got in trouble with one of them who was on her way to a wedding. Fortunately my Honor virtue kicked in and all was good.
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Opposed to a prodo shard where everything is scripted and spoon fed to you within the confines of Luna at an extreme mark up.
..... Right on Tyrath. It was those old days I`m sure that gave SP a bad rap. Back than it deserved it. Now a days,its the way it should be,like Fel used to be. Well as close as your gonna get. I dunno,I like an economy you can make money at with the most mundane things,like Alchemy. I don`t think alchemists can even find work on production shards. Everyone has their own slave in char slot 6 or 7. Right now I`m playing more LS than SP but thinkin thats going to change soon. Been missin SP more and more as of late. Need to get to work on my imbuer there and catch up with my budro Ginsu.
Siege had a time with power hour and new PK's, who was ready to kill as 5 days old and did not have time to learn about Siege and care about Siege.Yeah Mitzl I saw that but thought it was a chance at a again after the timer where it is really more like a GG at the end of the timer. I think maybe Siege got a bad reputation unjustly or justly in the early days. I have one toon there that I made when it opened got killed then rez killed and rez killed and rez killed right after logging in there the first time. It would seem the siege community learned that in order to have a healthy shard that people would actually play that play style wouldn't work well. I really fully expected to log into beside the Brit Inn and get whacked before I took my first step and was superised when I didn't get whacked right off. I am finding it to be a more mature community where respect is given where it is received. Be disrespectful you will without doubt get Pkd. Be nice and pleasant you might get PKd but so far even the reds treat you well enough. It does't benifit anyone to have a noob killing, crafter killing mentality as there is little to no reward and very little challenge in killing a noob or a non PvP. What the rabid kill anything that moves folks did was give Siege a bad name IMO and then got bored and moved on. Not even close to the same siege I first logged into all those years ago.
The population has dropped. I was one of those who left. Now I am back.I don't know everytime I'm there I've never hardly seen one soul...
I hear them in Gen Chat and oft times it's as bad or worse than the Gen Chat on GL..... with the posturing, name calling, come kill me here, go kill them there... I need this, I want that,..... Without a house or crafter or anything it's really rather a pain. And listening to "Go kill all the noobs by XYZ" ... makes one feel REAL welcome. As a "noob" on the shard it would really suck to be trying to do anything there and get killed by a bunch of folk with nothing better to do than come kill someone with zero skill. As someone with some skill there I can't see that it would be too "exciting" to one hit kill "noobs".
Describing yourself perhaps? You don't know me, either, Rumpy, yet you chose to resort to name calling for some reason. I'll let you know who I am. I'm a 67 year old grandmother who has seen too much real death in the last few years (in the real world). Four years ago I was at my only brother's bedside when he died. Two years ago I lost my oldest son. I lost a good friend who, based on all statistics, should have outlived me by a good twenty years; but cancer took her in the prime of her life. No, I don't like PKs. I don't like death, even in a computer game. I've played this game since 1998, and not once did I ever attack or kill another player character. If that makes me "pathetic" in your eyes, fine... but you can take your opinion and stick it where the sun doesn't shine.Coming from the person who wanted to pin point something on someone they don't even know.
Are you forgetting Lady boHonestly people, Siege is what you make it. Call me the antagonist of this book.
Some of us PK, you'll have to get used to it. To say everyone runs around killing newbie characters, please supply the names of the people killing you. People think I am bad (since I seem to be the only PK anymore), yet they miss the fact that most of the time, I am the one helping out NEW people. Anytime someone asks for a beetle or fire beetle, I keep spares in my stable to hand out or throw on taming and go fetch one. I've given people gold, spellbooks, and made them runebooks.
99% of the time when I kill someone, I just rez them and loot an item if it has value. If its garbage, I don't even loot. I have ran into many people in Shame or other spots and killed them, and rezzed them with nothing being looted. If you try and self rez, I will hunt you down and rez kill you as obviously, I didn't have my way with your loot yet. If you do it again, then I'll probably keep killing you till your out of self rezes and then offer a rez when I am done. There still is decency in Pking, despite what some people say. And Yes, we PK at events cause its fun for us and when the most people are out and about.
Siege is not going to be all puppies and kittens. Everyone will find their own way to adapt. Its not all murder and plunder either. I'm not gonna tell you come play Siege. Most of the time, its just so slow and dead, I login and sit in my house doing nothing. The economy is crap due to no one wanting to sell stuff since people horde most of it. The vendors are few and far between and barely offer anything high end or useable. If your looking for vendors to decorate your house with plants, there seems to be plenty of that.
To the guy who got killed by a female mage.. There is no red female mages on Siege. Are you sure you saw it correctly?
To the people who think they know everything about Siege, you don't see us sitting here downplaying your shard do you?
And lastly to those who can't handle dying and losing your stuff, its not the place for you. I run expensive suits cause I carry plenty of replacements. Imbuing is so prominent these days, anybody can run a all 70s, 40 LMC, MR Suit with other mods.
It's not that I don't have any characters there I do.... most of them are no more skilled than a box... but that's not the point.... My thought is if I did anything on Siege at all it would be on my own without help. I could say something join a guild whatever but then it's not like really making it on Siege if you had your hand held so to speak.The population has dropped. I was one of those who left. Now I am back.
There were far more PKs when I joined SP in '05. I kept a "get even" list of those who I found offensive. I later got even with some, made friends with others. But there were, and remain, far more people who will help a new person.
I left Atlantic and was reluctant to reach out to anyone on SP. The first couple weeks were tough because of that. Then a guy killed me and I stuck around to chat. He ended up giving me a load of stuff and recommended a guild. It was the start I needed.
I see the game much differently than you. Interaction with people is what draws me here and is what I like specifically about Siege Perilous.it's not like really making it on Siege if you had your hand held so to speak.
One of the things I really like about UO. Even though we are such a diverse group of folk we can all still very much enjoy the game.I see the game much differently than you. Interaction with people is what draws me here and is what I like specifically about Siege Perilous.
yes but its generally frowned upon . with one character per acct, people get to know you . your reputation means alot here . theres nothing in the game rules that says you cant but some people will kill you repeatedly for doing so. altho with guild tags and such its quite hard to copy someone exactly. even if you try , its not long before the community figures you out thru your playstyle.Can people have the same name on Siege?
Thank you. So people pretty much know who everyone is?Just as on any other shard, character names do not have to be unique. Every character does, however, have its own unique identifying number that will show up when the character talks in chat. That number doesn't change, even if the character is using a disguise kit or has cast incognito spell or has used a name change token.
If two or more characters with the same name have been using chat, you might see a number after the character's name to make it easier to identify the different characters, but that number is only assigned in chat to the character temporarily.
I will be re-rollingyes but its generally frowned upon . with one character per acct, people get to know you . your reputation means alot here . theres nothing in the game rules that says you cant but some people will kill you repeatedly for doing so. altho with guild tags and such its quite hard to copy someone exactly. even if you try , its not long before the community figures you out thru your playstyle.
as an example , there was a very famous crafter named ginsu . he was well liked and actually died in real life . the players even built a memorial to him . not knowing this, a new guy made a crafter and named him ginsu . at first he was the brunt of much anger , but in time he proved his honor and was finally accepted . its a rocky road to walk tho . its best to try to be original if you can .
Oh yes.Thank you. So people pretty much know who everyone is?
Damn straight Uncleno other game i know can get the old heart pumping like this.
When I stil was red, I would alwas rez my victims. Also, I did attack newbies and crafters if I found them in my forest.I think it's pretty classy when you can get res'd by the person that kills you and not get looted by them.
*Slow Claps?*Describing yourself perhaps? You don't know me, either, Rumpy, yet you chose to resort to name calling for some reason. I'll let you know who I am. I'm a 67 year old grandmother who has seen too much real death in the last few years (in the real world). Four years ago I was at my only brother's bedside when he died. Two years ago I lost my oldest son. I lost a good friend who, based on all statistics, should have outlived me by a good twenty years; but cancer took her in the prime of her life. No, I don't like PKs. I don't like death, even in a computer game. I've played this game since 1998, and not once did I ever attack or kill another player character. If that makes me "pathetic" in your eyes, fine... but you can take your opinion and stick it where the sun doesn't shine.
Now that I've finished my rant, kindly bug off and leave me alone.
I had forgotten about my own guildmate. I always think of the name Bo as a male."To the guy who got killed by a female mage.. There is no red female mages on Siege. Are you sure you saw it correctly?"
Nope I am blind in one eye and can't see out of the other..............But I was certain that Gargoyle had boobs!
People sell me stuff all the time, just no the gametime I need!rumpy is just salty 'cause we wont sell him stuff .
and why should we ? is it wise to arm a known enemy ?
here, have an uber weapon . have fun killing my friends with it. (not)
in his defense he has helped the occasional noob, and he fills a needed role . there must be some peril or the game gets too boring .
most of us cant kill him . he runs the expensive suits and is quite practiced at hunting players . i do enjoy the attempts tho . even if i dont kill him, i consider it a win if i can escape and make it home with my bag of loot. no other game i know can get the old heart pumping like this.
Welcome to SiegeI have just "re"started on siege, homeless, I found help in a guild. I do not really feel the need to have an house. Why to avoid problems simply do not increase the capacity of the bank box? x2? x3? x4?
my 2c.
Huh?Siege is a shard where crafters are more valued - because everything wears out, including hatchets, scissors, fishing rods etc, you can't buy resources from npcs and most pvm folk wear player-crafted suits.
It's a step back to a time when you always made sure you had a spare suit because you were never quite sure if you were going to come home with the one you were wearing - and that's more likely to be because 3 or more darkwisps are camping your body than because some pk looted it.
RoT gets a lot of bad press, but in actual fact it's very beneficial to a lot of skills.
You don't chase around taming stuff till you're sick to death of the thing you're taming - you do one creature of the right level at the right time period and are guaranteed to gain.
You don't burn up zillions of ingots training blacksmithing - you make one item of the right level at the right time and get a gain.
Same goes for tailoring, tinkering, carpentry etc. Resource costs to train a crafter are a fraction of those on other shards.
Lockpicking is less tedious. Cartography is less tedious, and have you tried training poisoning without RoT?
Plus the limits are off now, you can train as many skills at the same time as you like. Go out with a warrior in RoT and every # minutes he'll get a gain in melee skill, parry, tactics, anat, bushido, chivalry guaranteed as long as he's using the skills at the right level.
No recall - ok, that can be a hassle, but less now there are portals and house teles. It's not an insurmountable problem 2 x imbued +15 mage jewels, 1 x tome of lost knowledge, 1 Siege blessed treatise on alchemy talisman + gate scrolls will get you around with a few fizzles.
I play 2 shards. Siege and Europa. Some months I play Europa and barely touch Siege. Some months I play Siege and barely touch Europa. Some months my time is pretty evenly divided between both. The change of pace keeps the game fresh for me.
There is more community on Siege than on production shards. Shelve your closed mind and come spend a couple of months settling in and actually consider aspects of life on Siege that show that community quality is real. If you come here with that set opinion of yours you'll just tune out the things that prove your opinion wrong.The funniest and longest running joke in all of UO is all 8 Siege players trying to claim 'community' superiority.
You are entitled to your opinion. I happen to disagree with it. Please don't ridicule what you have no experience of and don't throw in grossly inaccurate numbers to support your claims. A simple visit to Stragics Siege forum will show the error in your math, and for every Siege player regularly posting there, as with other shards, there are many who lurk but don't post forums, not to mention those who don't know Stratics exists.Huh?
Why would making Crafting 'marginally' more important specifically make a shard better in any way?
No offense but Crafting is still very important on all shards. All day long you still see people asking for crafters/imbuers.
Just because a couple of Siege players still use basic crafted armor does not mean it is an integral part of that ridiculous word that Siege players like to throw around - Community. More crafters in no way means more or better community. I laugh at anyone that thinks otherwise.
The funniest and longest running joke in all of UO is all 8 Siege players trying to claim 'community' superiority.
It just works different on Siege, on normal shards, you sell your wares from training to npc's, on Siege, some of them are sold to players, special tools from tinkering, boxes and funitures from carpentry, arrows / bolts from fletching, lesser and normal poison from alchemy, also resources like ingots, woods, leather and bolt of clothes / bandages can be sold to players.Huh?
Why would making Crafting 'marginally' more important specifically make a shard better in any way?
That's good to hear, on Siege they are asking for crafters tooNo offense but Crafting is still very important on all shards. All day long you still see people asking for crafters/imbuers.
Not sure what you mean with basis crafted armor, only very poor and young new players will run around in gm armor, most will run in horned/barded armor with at least some mods. I sell suits with:Just because a couple of Siege players still use basic crafted armor does not mean it is an integral part of that ridiculous word that Siege players like to throw around - Community. More crafters in no way means more or better community. I laugh at anyone that thinks otherwise.
Most funny thing is, when someone with your opinion about Siege at last start to play on Siege, I hear them blame them self, that it took them years to do the move.The funniest and longest running joke in all of UO is all 8 Siege players trying to claim 'community' superiority.