Greed and Elitism, is this the cause of many players leaving?
Same problem the old system had. With the new system at least EVERYONE has a chance, while in the old you could pretty much call the 10-20 people who were going to get the drop.Drop system is of course a problem. people who put in lots of effort will always get the majority of the items. before it was damage / template / skill of play now its just numbers of characters. which is also frustrating. i know im less likely pay the "high end" price knowing someone got multiples.
Hmmm...how many topics can be posted like this before people actually begin to acknowledge it??
Be careful with what you say, those same elites will try to get your thread removed to protect themselves...
Good on you for trying to bring it to everyone's attention.
Dregg, It is not about rich or poor quitting. Its more about why are they quitting?i'm not quitting and i bet i am poorer than you are atm Angel Dust lol
Sooo, don´t buy from those players? That seems pretty simple to me.ooh be careful Angel, excellent topics such as this one will easily get banned by greedy players who publicly announced their goal to over charge the community on their event items just because the Developers changed the looting system.
Funny you say that because at every event I attend (and I attend a lot) there's at least one person complaining that there wasn't a drop or the drop was only "10" or "20". Remember our EMs were hired to entertain us, either through story or through the event content itself. The best EMs can combine both. I really believe we are pretty close to dead-on with the number of drops necessary to keep the activity. Keeping in mind it's one item per EM per month. No more, although sometimes less, it gives those of us with a theme the opportunity to expand upon it. I collect food items in one house and fishing/pirate type themed items in another. I was thrilled to see two maps given out last month on two shards. You may not know how rare that is unless you specifically collect those items.Honestly I'm losing interest because the EMs keep spewing out rares.
I have not had a personal experience with the elitism part, but I see it in some of the posts, just random comments and such, it is easy to spot. So that point of this post was to see if this drives players away. As for greed, I see that and face that on many deals. Most sellers have no sense of negotiation, it is there way or else. @Tjalle, I do not buy items from people who do not want to negotiate. Longtooths, you and myself have had dealings. We negotiated and both agreed on final sale we thought was fair on both ends. Both parties are happy(I still need my book from ya ). The greedy ones are the sellers who say make an offer, then get upset because you didn't offer 800mil for an item worth 200mil. So, without saying names, I asked a simple question to see what the "Community" had to say.I'm confused. For clarity sake, without mentioning names of course, can we get some examples of peoples greed and especially people elitism? How does one display elitism in such a manner to facilitate another persons leaving the game?
I understand what you are saying, and I hear you, but I want to iterate...I'm not complaining as much about the number of drops at each event, but the rares community is small, and there are 2 drops for almost every shard each month. The rares just keep coming out, and keep getting rehashed. And I have no problem with the everyone drops every so often, so that everyone benefits.. I especially love the rewards given to those who participate the most at events.... ButI think that is just too many drops in a given month, and as lineman and smoot said they often lack in the awe aspect. I am not bored with collecting because I can "afford" anything I want-which is not true, I limit most of my collecting to lanterns and animals, and I don't have time to join a guild, because I spent 90% of my UO time shopping and reselling and stocking my vendor in order to afford the rares I own, not to mention wheeling and dealing and brokering other people's sales so I can have a percentage to put towards rares I want...I work hard for everything I have on UO.,,I have lost the interest in collecting because my rares become not really rare, and because I keep walking into everyone elses museum and instead of oohing and ahhing like I used to, I'm like oh whats that--a zombie painting? oh no its called "Funny you say that because at every event I attend (and I attend a lot) there's at least one person complaining that there wasn't a drop or the drop was only "10" or "20". Remember our EMs were hired to entertain us, either through story or through the event content itself. The best EMs can combine both. I really believe we are pretty close to dead-on with the number of drops necessary to keep the activity. Keeping in mind it's one item per EM per month. No more, although sometimes less, it gives those of us with a theme the opportunity to expand upon it. I collect food items in one house and fishing/pirate type themed items in another. I was thrilled to see two maps given out last month on two shards. You may not know how rare that is unless you specifically collect those items.
Decadence I don't want to call you out. I love you!!! But honey you have owned how many Luna houses on Atlantic? It might sound crazy, but bear with me (I mean no offense by this) but perhaps some of you have simply gotten too UO-rich for your own good. What I mean to say is maybe the challenge is gone for you because you can afford to buy whatever you want whenever you want it. I can understand how that might get boring and I understand how that might make it seem like EM's are just "spewing out rares".
For me, I am right on the border between rares collector and amateur rares collector... to some my collection is impressive, to others it isn't a drop in the bucket. Even considering I've "collected" things since early UO, I concentrated on a lot of other things other than that for many years before I settled down for the hardcore. To me I am still "trying to make ends meet" and balancing my collecting with my selling. It keeps the game alive.
EM events are fun. I enjoy and appreciate the work the EMs put into the fiction, *(story they tell), the decorations, (especially the GL EMs), as well as the challenge of getting that random drop in your pack.
I will tell you this. Without the people I love so much that I have been playing with it wouldn't be the same. We share laughs, we commiserate together when we don't get a drop, we tease, we play and we help each other with our collections. If you don't have this sort of combination of "flavors" UO may not "taste" as good.
For the tldr crowd: Being not too rich that you're bored because you can buy anything you want, the right amazing group of people for you to play with, the ability to appreciate the jobs others do, including the EMs and their stories, And still having goals you'd like to reach in the game, are all required in some capacity/level in order to really be "into" UO these days in the rares world.
No, they left out one thing...the human egoSo this post started asking the question, are greed and Elitism causing people to quit?
The majority in this post are instead saying the problem is the sheer amount of rares entering the community and the duplication of graphics for rares. I think this would answer the OP's question with a resounding, "nope"
Greed and Elitism are neat and colorful to blame but they are both subjective and as we see above, not easily defined. It also seems that examples of such or specifics are not easily forth coming.
Just sayin'
One could argue that in itself is an example of the elitism of our community. We like our rares, but not when so many other people have them. I mean, to a big extent I'm the same way.The majority in this post are instead saying the problem is the sheer amount of rares entering the community and the duplication of graphics for rares.
I price them that way so that I don't have to deal with collectors like you or anyone else that liked your post. It's a statement that none of you can seem to comprehend...I do remember very vividly things that you and others have said to me, which made me never, ever want to deal with you (or them) again. So as I continue to get drops I will continue to sell them to a very select few because they are actually.....wait for it...genuinely nice people! Can you believe it? They don't ridicule, they don't attack and they actually help the new collector get their feet wet.How can you agree when your items are priced much higher than anyone else and you have so many?
Having gotten to know Longtooth, he is a great guy. Very helpful, very nice, overall great person. I am happy to have gotten to know him.Aiden,
I help more people in this game then you can count. I also do not constantly complain and whine on the forums. I do not sell my rares for exorbitant prices to others. I do not exclude a class of players for their opinions. I am also not continuously attacking people using words like Elitism and Greed. But hey, I'm the bad guy right?
People just take things far to serious..
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I price them that way so that I don't have to deal with collectors like you or anyone else that liked your post. It's a statement that none of you can seem to comprehend...I do remember very vividly things that you and others have said to me, which made me never, ever want to deal with you (or them) again. So as I continue to get drops I will continue to sell them to a very select few because they are actually.....wait for it...genuinely nice people! Can you believe it? They don't ridicule, they don't attack and they actually help the new collector get their feet wet.
So in regards to your question, I agree wholeheartedly with the OP and that there needs to be something done to reenergize the community because none of you are doing it...
OP, you created a great discussion and you are bringing an ongoing problem to the attention of the community and for that I will say it again...Good job