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enough is enough time to nerf moving shots ROUND 2
- Thread starter XavierFromLs
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isnt orc brute enough of a "boost" for melee? doesnt really work with an archer
Please elaborate. The threads I have started are on a riding swipe that was broken, lmc bugged chars, and asking about when wall of stone was changed, and if thunderstorm hits through walls. What do I get my ass kicked by in there? lol.
Cant AI if your dead, you do the math.
If you run Parry, a combat skill or mage weapon, and the correct DCI, you're going to block around 67% of the time. if youre not running at least one of these things, youre crazy.
This means you roughly have a 1 in 3 chance to get hit.
So, IF velocity, hit spell both hit with the shot it's 30 points, and those are most likely a 50% chance meaning they're not going off everytime you do land a hit.
At most you're doing 30 damage every 3.75 seconds.
It also takes about 10 mana at 40 lmc to perform a moving shot.
So it's likely you're eating 30 mana to hit the person once.
if you have 120 mana that means you're only going to hit the person roughly 4 maybe 5 times with running shot before running out over 15 seconds.
if youre lucky enough to hit those 5 times in 15 seconds at most youre doing at most150 points of damage assuming both spells went off every time. You could probably chug one potion, apply one bandage, one heal, to outlive those odds.
So really, just to say it needs nerfed without giving a particular scenario as to why is stretching it a bit.
the math says otherwise.
yeah RNG sucks sometimes but that's no reason to nerf something.
This means you roughly have a 1 in 3 chance to get hit.
So, IF velocity, hit spell both hit with the shot it's 30 points, and those are most likely a 50% chance meaning they're not going off everytime you do land a hit.
At most you're doing 30 damage every 3.75 seconds.
It also takes about 10 mana at 40 lmc to perform a moving shot.
So it's likely you're eating 30 mana to hit the person once.
if you have 120 mana that means you're only going to hit the person roughly 4 maybe 5 times with running shot before running out over 15 seconds.
if youre lucky enough to hit those 5 times in 15 seconds at most youre doing at most150 points of damage assuming both spells went off every time. You could probably chug one potion, apply one bandage, one heal, to outlive those odds.
So really, just to say it needs nerfed without giving a particular scenario as to why is stretching it a bit.
the math says otherwise.
yeah RNG sucks sometimes but that's no reason to nerf something.
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That's not how UO works, the slower the wep the more base damage it has. So with a slower swing would come increased damage. This isn't something new. You must not know UO very well.
This is really far off topic. All of them are terrible ideas, except the addition of skills that would go towards the reduction of LMC.
You're not taking into account that your HP after curse and depending if you have resist or not ~124-131. For pvp now a days thats pretty bad. You'd be an easy kill.
Also even at 55 LMC, that's not 3 AI's. 10 Mana for the first 20 for the second...That's 30 right there..
Try adding the skill bonus LMC included
I will end my take in this but POINT is Archers need to be toned down. Those who oppose it are the 4 Button mashing Archers who like playing OP templates. Have a good day 
Are you implying that when you die with only 135 hit points you mash your keyboard? OK got it.Try adding the skill bonus LMC included
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The threads I have started are on a riding swipe that was broken, lmc bugged chars, and asking about when wall of stone was changed, and if thunderstorm hits through walls. What do I get my ass kicked by in there? lol.
He for some reason could not come up with an answer. Maybe you will be able to since you agreed with it. I will wait.
XavierFromLs
Adventurer
No its not, because an archer can kill it in 3 seconds. It is honestly quite annoying when people like you butt in these conversations.
Lord Trollo
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let me break it down for my man @PaithanTheElf since he thinks he is in control of the conversation.
if it is something that paith doesn't like, it's STOP THE PRESS!!! this needs to be changed ASAP because him and 5 other visitor accounts (each with 3 posts) agree. he will flag every dev team member from now dating back to ultima 6 and declare what a travesty it is that such things have been allowed to pass.
however if it' someone else submitting a conversation that kinda maybe affects paith's template(s) it must be because they are "just whining," "complaining about anything," are "not very bright," "don't pvp" or are "flat out wrong."
you wouldn't want to let one of the last 10 people who are pvping in UO to have a chance at ya huh bud? because egos must really matter more than brining actual life and people to uo and pvp itself. as long as paith's ego gets to stay in check... all is good and that is what matters above anything else.
XavierFromLs
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Wait so you wanted to keep the range but the damage and speed change? That is not how UO works,please learn.
XavierFromLs
Adventurer
Riding swipe wasn't broken, you weren't fast enough to get on your mount when it was healed, you were the problem and you still complained.
That's with it included.. So 30 mana is not 3 AI's, AND you'd be a very easy kill. Good day.Try adding the skill bonus LMC included
I'm going off of what you said. You suggested increasing the speed of that weapon. So it's still a 10 tile weapon as you didn't say that needs to be changed. We all know how it works in UO the slower the weapon the higher the base damage.
It's amazing that you can't follow the consequences of what would happen with your own suggestions. It's no wonder UO is hard for you. You seem to have no understanding of the mechanics I.E. Speed to base damage.
XavierFromLs
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So you don't know how uo works, interesting, the range would have to change if the speed and damage changed
So now your fix is to get rid of comp bows then? That's essentially what you're saying since your suggestions would change it into a heavy cross bow.
It all makes sense why UO is hard for you now.
Heavy Xbow has amor ignore now? Since when?
XavierFromLs
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You would need the comp bow for ai, its not going anywhere, try to keep up.
If you're talking about range, by your own logic, all melee weapons which have much less range should have higher base damage. Wrong yet again.
By stop the press do you mean I made a post about it? I don't care if anyone agrees with my posts. They have mainly been questions asking devs if stuff is working how it is supposed to.
Have a chance at me? I will play a template and win no matter what changes occur, bud.
You seem pretty clueless.
Started another new account?! Oh boy! Going for some kind of record!
Actually, by definition, it was very broken. The devs apparently agreed. You either have lack of knowledge of how it is supposed to work or how it was working. You should learn that before commenting.
XavierFromLs
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The range changes between ranged weps, not melee, i love teaching.
What? I been a member since Sept 2014. Please stop trolling
XavierFromLs
Adventurer
By definition it was not broken, it needed to be healed fully for you to ride it, if you healed it to full and were too slow to jump back on and then it was damaged again, that is your own fault.
This alone shows you are out of touch with PvP. It was broken until the last pub that fixed it.
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You just said its range based. Ergo all melee weapons should have higher base damage. It's all moot as nothing is changing and you've made it clear you're just really really bad at UO.
XavierFromLs
Adventurer
Yes its ranged based for ranged weps, why do you keep bringing up melee weps, melee weps are not ranged weps.
Lord Trollo
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i notice you dodged my entire post and reverted to the 13 year old's "DUEL ME FOR ACCTS" tactic. zero points for originality sir.
Can you please stop with the insults? People are trying to have a civil discussion in here
XavierFromLs
Adventurer
Heh I was just thinking the same thing.
Ah, so your retort is to make something up that is not even close to what I said? Cool story.
LoL. You are saying it yourself. It needed to be healed fully. When the pet was healed fully, there was a bug so you still could not remount.
Do you know why it was changed? Because that is NOT working as the definition stated.
Facts aren't insults.
Your friend xavier showing why UO is very difficult for him, but if you've noticed people are trying to help so that he stops dying to moving shot. The UO community is something special trying to help out everyone, even players that are new to pvp such as xavier.
Can you guys please keep it civil and stop insulting other people in the thread?
XavierFromLs
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it needed to be fully healed for you to get on it, but you were too slow with getting on your mount which allowed the attacker to damage the pet again which would require you to heal it again until you were quick enough to get on. You were unable to accomplish this so you complained. It was changed simply because you complained.
Lord Trollo
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and your retort is yet again to dodge the entire statement and focus on the tiny factor that doesn't matter. props bro. you debate about as well as a 7th grade girl. that's not an attack btw. some jr. highschool girls can actually debate pretty well.
I think you need to read his reply and mine before thinking it is an insult. He went on a long winded post about "what i post about" and none of it was accurate. That would make him seem pretty clueless to me. What about you?
For it to need to be healed again it would need to be riding swiped again. Not just take any damage. No logic here.
But hey, if you think its wrong now, by all means make a thread and state it and lets see who agrees with you.
Umm what would you like me to address? You said I post about pvp issues and claim i stop the press and ask that they get fixed ASAP. Show me where this has occurred.
Also, there was nothing about being to slow to get on a mount. You know that there is a thing called a dismount timer right? If you healed it to full you can't hop back on until the timer is up. Arguing with people that don't get these concepts is a challenge.
his jimmies have been rustled