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Discussion about new ideas for economy

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imported_Gracie Nito

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ooooh! Spiffy! I bet all of our siggie makers would be great at designing some cards!
 
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MandiK

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I wish I had one creative bone in my body... lol

This is all SO exciting though
I cant wait to see the designs
 
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imported_Mavric

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I'm not creative, but I did send in a copy of a blank white paper.

Today we get to send in text web page
 
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imported_Takeru Ijitsu

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Bindy of TC inspired my '1000 revives... Does that make me a bad host?'
 
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I think he means revives.

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Spelling is a lossed art on the internet.

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imported_Gracie Nito

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Wow! Today Luc mentioned custom paintings in the future! Any artists out there? Who's going to be an art collector?
 
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That's one thing I've been asking for forever. Now I can scan my photographs into the game.
 
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The ability to create paintings/pictures is going to be awesome, I've already made one in preparation !!

Greg's questions on trial accounts are very interesting, its great to see that they are thinking about how the current system can be much improved upon.

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what exactly is the tso-e cities?

I see this being said in your post on your website. It TSO the Original being replaced? with TSO-E, and what is the fate of TSO, seems we are discussing this alot but nothing is happening.
 
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The future of TSO is completely unknown. I look at all the discussions as a way of communicating with some very smart developers that work for EA and letting them know what we like and don't like about the current game. What we believe works and doesn't work. What we believe are possible ways to remedy problems we see. www.tso-e.com is nothing more than a think tank. You can read all the discussions there and think about them and respond. Ideas and dreams are bouncing off the walls over there and I find it quite interesting to read.

Since this is an ongoing project, I believe jumping to any false conclusions or how it will all turn out is pointless. There are too many paths that lie ahead to even speculate which path the game will take from here.

This is an opportunity for anyone to share their opinions and help shape the future.
 
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well i guess my pet peeve is that when someone asked about the 4 year gift and other things with TSO at its current state, Why are the mods directing them to post in this thread or see TSO:E when in fact it has really nothing to do with Luc but Parizad.
 
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well i guess my pet peeve is that when someone asked about the 4 year gift and other things with TSO at its current state, Why are the mods directing them to post in this thread or see TSO:E when in fact it has really nothing to do with Luc but Parizad.

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Feel free to PM me a link to such a case.
 
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I look at all the discussions as a way of communicating with some very smart developers that work for EA and letting them know what we like and don't like about the current game.

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Thats great, so in 3 years they can get bored with us and we will be back in the current situation. A new city isn't going to change the way the makers of this game treat their subscribers...IMO
 
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I believe the game hit its peak after just 2 years and the potential was untapped. I would imagine with the success of Second Life and the introduction of the new Home from sony prompted EA to take a second look at the potential of TSO. After they ceased to invest money in continous developement, I have always admired that they didnt just shut us down. Do I have full faith in them as a company to make the right decisions this time? No. However, I still like TSO over anything else out there and I am appreciative of them trying. I still have fun every day when I log in, so I'm not wasting my money at all by continuing to pay for my subscription. If you are no longer enjoying what you spend your money on then that is a decision for you to make.
 
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I believe the game hit its peak after just 2 years and the potential was untapped. I would imagine with the success of Second Life and the introduction of the new Home from sony prompted EA to take a second look at the potential of TSO. After they ceased to invest money in continous developement, I have always admired that they didnt just shut us down. Do I have full faith in them as a company to make the right decisions this time? No. However, I still like TSO over anything else out there and I am appreciative of them trying. I still have fun every day when I log in, so I'm not wasting my money at all by continuing to pay for my subscription. If you are no longer enjoying what you spend your money on then that is a decision for you to make.

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Its not what I get in game for my money that I dislike. I believe in customer service, and theirs is bad!
 
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[Its not what I get in game for my money that I dislike. I believe in customer service, and theirs is bad!

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Ah well, I believe the customer service for anything sucks. I have yet to buy anything that when presented with a problem their customer service was anything more than a pacifier for my anger. In 4.5 years of playing TSO I have yet to have a reason to call customer service. I've been able to handle any billing issues online and haven't had any problems that I even felt were within the realm of customer service ability to solve.
 
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I sometimes have to laugh at myself because TSO is what pushes me during the day. What I mean is....I work at home, and as I go about getting my work done, my chores done, etc. there is this little voice in my head saying "the sooner you get this done, the sooner you can play" LOL Even after 4+ years, this is still happening. I find myself wondering now why I am so different from a lot of the players...wondering why am I not grumpy and complaining too; wondering what I missed or didnt miss that hasnt caused me to even consider quitting this game yet. Then I remind myself that it's because I am still enjoying myself. My $10 buys me a whole lot of smiles and enjoyment. Yeah, I would love to get our 4 year gift, and get the patch to fix the campfire (yes, I was unlucky enough to get one that quit working), and I would love to see a lot of things different in TSO, and I wish it was our old TSO that Luc is helping us with...BUT...regardless of those things I am still enjoying myself every time I play and that's why Im not considering quitting. I will stick with it until the sun sets for the last time in TSO.
 
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[Its not what I get in game for my money that I dislike. I believe in customer service, and theirs is bad!

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Ah well, I believe the customer service for anything sucks. I have yet to buy anything that when presented with a problem their customer service was anything more than a pacifier for my anger. In 4.5 years of playing TSO I have yet to have a reason to call customer service. I've been able to handle any billing issues online and haven't had any problems that I even felt were within the realm of customer service ability to solve.

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I like the way that the customer service people will know that they haven't answered your question and haven't helped you. They can tell by the tone of your voice that you are NOT HAPPY!

Yet it is mystically magic how they can say with a smile in their voice "Is there anything else I can do to help you today?"
 
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Some of the things I'm loving about Luc's blog ....

~ we get a daily post with a new subject to discuss and give feedback on
~ the developers are actually asking us what we think and giving us an opportunity to contribute our ideas about some very important issues - eg botters and whether or not to enable real life purchase of simoleans
~ they're also listening and taking note of what we have to say
~ we're getting regular updates of progress - we can actually see that Luc has managed to upload our content into the city from the screenshot in his latest blog

I find it really exciting to be part of this development process and I totally cannot wait to log into a new city and see things that we have had a hand in and in some instances actually made ourselves be available to purchase in that city.

Polly
 
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Sunday post from Luc . Don't care what anybody says, for Luc to post on a sunday shows some dedication and maybe some love for the game.
 
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I've had some time to think about this and since I can't seem to get a pw for Luc's blog site I'm gonna post my thoughts here, also seeing as this is the discussion thread for Luc's blog.

Here's the pros and cons as I see them.

<u>Pros</u>

[*]the graphics for TS2 are amazing and it SOUNDS LIKE that is what is planned for this new engine

[*]Custom Content is planned though that will go under MY cons too because I don't think it belongs in a T rated game

[*]CC gives the possibility for upgradable objects which is something I've been a proponent of for a long time to add diversity to lots
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<u>Cons:</u>

<ul> [*]This new graphics engine might keep some people from being able to play, our graphics now allow even people with antiquated machines to play, some cannot play TS2

[*]see above, I don't think Custom Content beyond Upgradable Objects belongs in a T rated game, too much possibility for inappropriate content, plus CC would lag people who have the antiquated systems same as above

[*]The obvious thing other people have talked about, the new city means people would have to start over and even if the new engine spreads to other cities chances are people's sims would have to be erased too [/list]

So for me there's 3 pros and 3 cons, and I'm sure I might think of more later and other people might think of more to add to both lists. The universal question is do the pros REALLY outweigh the cons......if not then I don't think this is really going to be the savior of TSO that people who have jumped on the bandwagon seem to
 
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<ul> [*]This new graphics engine might keep some people from being able to play, our graphics now allow even people with antiquated machines to play, some cannot play TS2 [/list]


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imported_Gracie Nito

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Con: Moving to TS2 graphics would prevent all from being able to play game. And probably provide extensive lag for those than can play.

Pro: Would appeal more to new sim players that have only experienced TS2 before finding TSO.

Con: Custom content when previewed and approved as T-rated will cost more to implement.
Pro: All custom content approved for upload will diversify the world and supply a constant stream of new content without having to wait for developers to create.

Pro: Experimental City provides a hope for a new future.
Con: No expermintal city keeps us all in stagnation.
 
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<ul> [*]This new graphics engine might keep some people from being able to play, our graphics now allow even people with antiquated machines to play, some cannot play TS2 [/list]


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What new graphics engine?

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I believe the team already decided that they are not moving towards the TS2 graphics at this time.
 
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I don't think lending ideas to Luc is jumping on a bandwagon.
I don't think that this is necessarily being looked on by the playing and paying community as a savior to TSO but as something different. If we play with it for six months and get tired of it that will still be six months longer of our game play and enjoyment. TSO is a game, not a way of life, or at least it shouldn't be and I'm getting rather tired of people looking at it as something that should be life enhancing or life changing. For those who have had their life altered by TSO be it through relationships or anything else are lucky.

Online games are not supposed to be life changing. The fact that so many players can say they've played for 4 years is incredible too.

Also I want to say, as a paying customer I'd be sorely sorely disappointed if I found that they were deliberately holding back on certain graphics because some potential players could not afford to upgrade their PC's. Not to be selfish but thats not my problem. I hope they truly make the best features possible for what they have to work with.

I haven't really contributed verbally to Luc's blog as I see many members of this community already saying what I was thinking. But I do read it everyday... and at this point any change is good change. And I'm excited to read ideas and see if they can possibly take shape.
 
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Also I want to say, as a paying customer I'd be sorely sorely disappointed if I found that they were deliberately holding back on certain graphics because some potential players could not afford to upgrade their PC's. Not to be selfish but thats not my problem. I hope they truly make the best features possible for what they have to work with.



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I look at them as choosing not to move into more advanced graphics as a way of tapping into a whole market of game players that don't currently have the technology to play other games. I know many people that have found TSO in the last year from the Pogo gaming community and many of these people do not have the machines to support games like WoW or Second life. I do not believe they are trying to cater to current TSO players with the inability to upgrade. I believe they are wanting to appeal to new players in this same situation.


Why isolate your market to only high end gaming pc owners?
 
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Because it is no longer 1998. They are already upgrading certain aspects to meet this. I just don't think any game potential should be over looked because of this.
 
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Well actually, I believe the reason they gave for not moving forward with the TS2 graphics at this time was their awareness of this communities hunger for something new and not wanting to have us wait even longer. I would expect the development of a TSO2 would take over a year to implement. I guess it would depend on if they can get the economy and custom content to work properly first before making any major decisions to invest that much time into a total conversion.
 
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Yeah I don't think it's going to be TS2ish either. I don't think it's even the time they are concerned with I think its the money they'd have to invest to create that game and run the risk of it not potentially meeting the expectations as this game did. I am mainly stating that in the past I recall many times where certain things (pets, job track, BV) were in development and people were worried about it not being able to run on their computers or not being able to run it off of dial up. While I can understand and sympathize with the plight... I no longer feel that this should hold anyone else back from any potentials...
 
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Because it is no longer 1998. They are already upgrading certain aspects to meet this. I just don't think any game potential should be over looked because of this.

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Actually, I think staying on the 'middle ground' for internet game play is the intelligent route. EA is being smart to stay middle of the road because there is a better market for maximum outread to the vast majority of internet gamers.

I wonder how many of those "gamers" with their 'power house' cpu's are really that dedicated to 1 game? Seems to me most of the people I've met with 'power house' computer stations are transient as far as internet gaming. They play when something is new and hot and move on to the next 'new hot game'.

And let's not forget too that TSO is an international game as well. Cable and computer capabilities in other countries are probably being taken into account as well?
 
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Actually, I think staying on the 'middle ground' for internet game play is the intelligent route. EA is being smart to stay middle of the road because there is a better market for maximum outread to the vast majority of internet gamers.

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False. Even Pogo can't be played by everyone these days. If your system is too outdated to play an online game then you have two choices: Upgrade or don't play. It would be idiotic for EA to cater to the increasingly small percentage of people with old computers.

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And let's not forget too that TSO is an international game as well. Cable and computer capabilities in other countries are probably being taken into account as well?

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Not my problem. WoW is an international game too and they don't seem to have a problem with people in other countries playing.
 
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Con: Moving to TS2 graphics would prevent all from being able to play game. And probably provide extensive lag for those than can play.

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I've been thinking about this. Much of the lag we experience has nothing to do with the graphics, which is generated on the local client anyways. There are a number of other RPG's out there that have advanced 3D graphics, tens of thousands of players online at any given time, and have no lag issues.

And, in my honest opinion, TSO's graphics engine was never meant to be taken to a multi-user environment to begin with. Having had run TSO on some pretty powerful computers on 8Mbs connections and still experiencing lag tells me that the lag is happening due to code on both the client and server that was just not optimized for online use.

True, changing over to a new graphics engine might shut out the people whose computers are more than five years old or with underperforming graphics cards - but I wonder how many of those are still around, or how many of them have been looking for a reason to upgrade?

However, an updated graphics engine shouldn't significantly change how much data has to pass between client and server, so shouldn't affect bandwidth lag (throw in custom content, however, and all bets are off). And much of the client-side lag can be resolved with some good code optimization (and not trying to recycle code from offline versions). Between that, and some meatier servers, there's really no reason someone with even a modest computer configuration can't enjoy the game.
 
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WoW is an international game too and they don't seem to have a problem with people in other countries playing.

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When I moved house and was without broadband for about a week, WoW and TSO were the only games I could continue to play using dialup.

As much as I hate to say this, playing an online game isn't a "right", and if you aren't able to upgrade your computer system or connection to play the latest games, then sorry but that's just the way things are.

Ultimately, it won't be the players needs that determine the outcome of this - it'll be the financial projections that EA make as to whether it works or not. This is business, and that's all that matters.

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I liked it much better when tso-e.com was only about the new city and Stratics was about the current game.

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I was thinking the same thing. I’m not to sure that I like the fact that other updates are getting posted on Lucs blog, and Stratics. I was hoping they could keep the updates from TSO-E on the blog, and the updates from Parizad about the current game with Stratics.

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As much as I hate to say this, playing an online game isn't a "right", and if you aren't able to upgrade your computer system or connection to play the latest games, then sorry but that's just the way things are.


[/ QUOTE ]If I thought people would even know the answer, I'd make a poll that asks the size of everyone's processor and how much RAM they have. It seems most who play either have a powerhouse and "power play" (2-8 windows on one screen) or they have a dinosaur and this is ALL they can play. If you make it more up to standard with the other games out there graphic-wise, will there be enough interested to play that CAN play on their PCs?
 
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As much as I hate to say this, playing an online game isn't a "right", and if you aren't able to upgrade your computer system or connection to play the latest games, then sorry but that's just the way things are.


[/ QUOTE ]If I thought people would even know the answer, I'd make a poll that asks the size of everyone's processor and how much RAM they have. It seems most who play either have a powerhouse and "power play" (2-8 windows on one screen) or they have a dinosaur and this is ALL they can play. If you make it more up to standard with the other games out there graphic-wise, will there be enough interested to play that CAN play on their PCs?

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Personally, I don't care for the graphics on Sims2. It's too 'cartoonie' for my taste and if the online version looked like that, I probably wouldn't play. The graphics on the original sims is aweful compared to TSO also.

I think the graphics on TSO is fantastic. The detail that we get with TSO is nothing like any of the computer based game.

Since when have we started complaining about graphics? Think the main problem with the sims online was lack of content and custom content missing.

Why is it I feel like there are some out there that would probably be happier playing Second Life because it sure seems as though they are trying to turn TSO into SL.
 
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I liked it much better when tso-e.com was only about the new city and Stratics was about the current game.

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Personally I'd prefer discussion for it here in a separate forum here on Stratics; I have enough login names, passwords and URL's to remember already without having to remember the TSO-E blog as well. It's then much easier to keep up with what's going on, and have an input if there's something I want to say.

With my SL responsibilities, I need to check our Stratics SL forums, the official SL forums, official SL Blog, Second Citizen, Second Life Herald, Metaverse Messenger and our MMODump section several times every day to make sure we aren't missing out on anything - not to mention Staff Stratics and my Stratics mail address - and of course keeping in touch with my staff. Posting here, and the WoW Stratics site, plus Off-Topic, check my Hotmail and Yahoo email accounts, BBC news, BBC travel (when it gets near hometime) and my Yahoo/MSN messenger friends it's almost a wonder I get any work done during the day at all!

aj
 
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