Let's play yes or no questions....
While I found myself agreeing originally that the damage in that video was ridiculous, this is very true.
Yea, the damage comparison is true, but there's a big difference.
Thanks. I was too lazy to write that
Makes sense I agree.Thanks. I was too lazy to write that
Yes, I play insta kill templates but not to this degree where you cannot do anything about it (rng).
Well said and I officially declare you the winner of this argument.
To say you can do something about explode flame strike armor ignore but can't do anything about corpse omen concussion just makes me laugh so hard, like is this guy for real? Apparently you can't fizzle the corpse or omen , you can't disarm, you can't apple, can't remove curse, can't use your box.
lol, you obviously don't know how to pvp if you can't tell the difference.
If you can do something about explosion fs armor ignore you can do something about corpse evil omen concussion. Only someone that has no clue how to pvp would disagree with that.
What he's forgotten about pvp, you only wish you'd be able to learn. Do you understand the difference between Virem's combo, which is 100% timing/player skill (except for Armor Ignore & Hit Spell/Velocity - I don't think we've ever fought, so idk what weapon skill he uses) and an Omen/Conc dexer? An Omen/Conc dexer's damage is purely from RNG determining whether they'll hit you or not, so they ultimately have no control over the damage actually happening. For the most part, any mistakes in Virem's combo are due to player error.
Well, thank you
Concerning Siege the entire archery discussion does not apply 100% because without insurance not many people can afford to risk loosing their 210+ stamina suits to a gank (which is bound to happen somewhere down the line). So Siege archers usually do not swing faster than 1.5 (after pots) because they need to rely on imbued suits with a max of 8 stamina per piece ... most people even only use 7 stamin per piece to keep costs lower.· As for Siege, I feel that the Siege community are the only ones who know what their needs are for enjoyable combat. We are open to suggestions that will improve the overall experience of the Siege player base. As a Siege player, what should the cost be to participate in PvP?
· “If we are talking about putting special moves back can I please have them back while in forms? It's stupid to have them unable to be used just because I changed forms.” Maybe the forms need special moves of their own?
· I’m not a fan of “Weapon Specials being toggled while casting or holding spells” as it was stated during the discussion this would increase burst damage templates and would have too big of an impact on the current meta.
· I would like to get more of the community’s feelings on allowing shields to be disarmed or why should we continue to not allow shields to be disarmed? There have been some light responses but I would like to hear more meat and potatoes
This is where you lost me...
This special move is hated so much, its now referred to as "Moving ****".
Virems combo is not 100% timing and player skill base, Do you know what casting focus is? Do you understand he has rng with his armor ignore just like any other dexxer has? Do you understand that there is rng for him not to get hit with a wep and interrupt him? Do you know what precasting is??
Did I say it was? Oh wait, I DIDN'T. What I actually said was: Most of Virem's combo, if you're bad, will go off without a lot of difficulty. You can get around Exp/FS by interrupting, which is something you can control (Casting Focus is a thing, yes, but it's more likely to NOT go off.) If he gets the full combo off (with the possible exception of Armor Ignore, which is purely up to the RNG), it's because you suck. If an Omen/Conc dexer actually lands a hit (ignoring everything leading up to said hit), it's not due to player skill.
RNG for mages (outside of chance for a dexer to miss) doesn't even play a part unless you're talking Casting Focus. You do know this, right? Sure, pretty much every piece has CF, so it's going to go off eventually.
Actually, Omen/Conc doesn't have to sacrifice that much to get that much damage. One-dimensional? Maybe. But saying anyone who's remotely decent shouldn't die to it? You should know better than to say something like that.
I play a tactics Mage minus the alchemy.
Bleed with ranged weapons wouldn't be overpowered because you can't use other specials while in form? If ranged weapons could use bleed what would be the point in using melee weapons? That would be a balance issue...
What balance would become messed up?
And when both weapon and shield (if they have one) are disarmed, said melee dexer is going to be completely defenseless. If you think it's that great an idea, play for 30 minutes at Yew Gate on a prodo shard (let's say Atl) without a shield, and see how often you get killed on a melee dexer.
This is really about the only point I'd disagree with you on since the vulnerability is the same on many other templates.
Well you can't even seem to type the correct order the spells go in, so i guess it does take some sort of skill
Okay im just going to say youre a archer mage for the case of this, why you haven't got alchemy is beyond me.... But what ever,
Nah, it's actually 5% (17% total)with gm scribe but tactics mages cannot fit scribe that I'm aware of so I don't think that's a valid argument. Maybe with some incredibly sick jewelry maybe?
Just for the record..not to be the bearer of bad news. Anyone using 5 accounts and multibixing to pvp...shouldn't. I don't know any of your other characters, but that's the lamest **** I've ever seen in UO
17% with Scribe, 12% from items. Dan, you are FAR from qualified to call other people real pvp'ers, considering you're a European player that's a hell of a lot faster than pretty much every American player. PS: I was talking to Ansyears, not you, and I doubt you're posting on two accounts. That should have been quite evident considering who I quoted. Reading comprehension isn't your strong point, is it?
Wither? When I got hit with it, it was nether cyclone. Was def amusing, but still, LAME.
Skill vs skill has become skill + RNG vs skill + RNG. (mage duels)
That just shows a problem with Alchemy. Any template (mostly mages though) that don't have Alchemy are at a major disadvantage for choosing any skill OTHER than Alchemy.
Same thing for omen concussion.
...there are lots of templates out there that don't use shields or even can not use shields (archer, samurai, ninja, mageweapon templates) and all of those only require a single disarm to render them completely defenseless. At least for a parry warrior with a shield you'd have to disarm twice to put him in that position and let's be honest, the player that doesn't immediately run or smokebomb or do whatever to escape once disarmed is simply doing it wrong...
"Virem's combo, which is 100% timing/player skill (except for Armor Ignore" You were wrong when you said this, because there is still RNG going on when he casts those explo and fs, do you understand ?? If he gets the full combo off even if RNG is on his side... you suck?? why isn't it the same for the necro??
I don't pvp on dexers. Literally EVERYONE that pvp's knows this. And where, in any of my recent posts, did I say I thought Omen Conc was overpowered? I'm pretty sure I didn't, nor do I personally think it is (in a 1v1 situation), although I understand that its damage on a single hit is much greater than anything else. In fact, until recently, it was UNDERPOWERED because Corpse Skin didn't have the benefit of Focused Spec.
Do we really have to argue this?
The worst thing about a box is it takes the active target away in CC.
We already went down this road. Not a fact, nor the most important thing to balance this game.
So you are basically saying to get rid of Enhanced Client would be the best fix? I agree.
And those benefitting from them will disagree with you.
I think the number of views speaks volume for the PVP aspect of the game which is largely overlooked most of the time.
its a no skill template (your words), it shouldn't be a problem. You are against corpse and curse stacking, so try and stack them in a 1v1 against me, lets see how good you do. Please don't back down like your buddy.
You say there is no skill pressing two buttons but you said earlier there is skill in casting explo fs? Make up your mind. If you die to 2 omen concussions that is your fault!
I've managed to get FLAMESTRIKE off in mage 1v1's. Do you honestly think I'd have trouble casting both corpse & curse when playing a dexer?
No, it isn't. Because you can't control when the omen/conc dexer actually hits you, nor can they. But you CAN stop Explosion/Flamestrike (even in a group fight, although it's admittedly harder to do) with a simple weaken; if you fail to interrupt an Exp/FS combo 1v1, it's because you suck.
That's because they're not comparable....nice try though. To also add I said there was some skill getting off the said combo earlier not only in casting exp Fs...
