Just because a spell takes longer to cast does not mean it takes more skill to cast, it is kinda funny how you don't understand this. Oh right adding in the AI to your explo fs... woo wee that is some skill
You will have a lot of trouble trying to cast corpse and curse against me, accept the fight if you disagree.
You do have some control over when the omen conc hits you just like you have some control over when explosion flame strike hits you. If you die to omen concussion 1v1, it's because you suck.
I believe the combo I referred to was curse, recurse, exp, Fs and AI. This didn't include the nova.
that combo is very impressive.
Did you really just make up a combo to serve as your point?
I'm with you 100% on this. Call it fair, Ump!!! Put your glasses on cuz you're missing a helluva game!!!
I brought up a random combo that serves no purpose like you did.
The skill isn't in pressing weaken or flamestrike macros. The skill is in using/timing them properly. Why do you think I said this earlier:
The guy was obviously not very good, which is why I was able to do that in the first place. And it's also why I would have absolutely no problems doing it to you with curse & corpse.
I have no issues facilitating this in a direction, but I do not have confidence in only three of us balancing pvp. And even the it'd have to be agreed upon by a majority.
I am not suggesting it to balance pvp. I don't think the winner would even be right- he could just be a better pvper than the others. But going back and forth is going anywhere either, might as well watch a fight or two.
I don't see anywhere in this post where you accept the fight to prove your point. This isn't very hard, do you accept yes or no? Post your icq if you say yes, stop posting if you say no.
Don't give up yet, the banter back and forth is a given with these types of threads. Often why they become expansive with small nuggets of useful feedback in them.
In the gif he was hit by two people...
I think the people who had an opinion have already spoken to it in this thread. Might as well be locked at this point and a new thread made by devs when they decide what to do with the information, IMO.
I agree with you here. I'm not sure how else to handle it.
At what point did you fail to comprehend me specifically pointing out the damage output and that the guy mashed two macros?
You keep failing to comprehend that it does not take more skill to press your explo fs macro over a evil omen concussion macro.
You were talking about two people doing damage and we are well past the 2 macro skill since you're misquoting me and made up a combo for your argument.
I hope to god that ansyears is trolling, because it's not possible to be this dumb...right? He wants my ICQ to set up a fight, but a simple 30 second search of my posted threads would have given it to him. If he's NOT trolling, I would guess he's discovered a template he can actually pvp with (curse/corpse stacking omen/conc dexer) and doesn't want stacking removed, because he won't be able to kill anyone without the extra resist debuff. At the very least, his statements indicate that he has no clue about what pvp'ing on a mage actually entails.
Sadly, that's not going to happen. The ONLY thing everyone in this thread has agreed on is balancing for 1v1. At this point, I think the devs might have enough info to go on, but the question is, will they be good or bad changes?
Yeah it'd have to be some sort of majority.
I'm not misquoting anything, you actually believe it's harder for you to press your two buttons explo and fs over someone pressing the two buttons evil omen and concussion.
So I should go looking through your post history for your icq, when you can just post it here in your post ? If you did have the courage to post your icq and get this fight going which you don't, but if you did I wouldn't be playing the necro dexxer, you would and then you could explain to everyone on here how you lost using such an "over powered" template that takes "no skill".
They are really clueless most of the time. They, like most players, will just focus in on one detail and think "this makes sense," and completely disregard the big picture. Corpse skin should not stack with curse, but it should reduce maximum resists regardless of "focus spec" or not.
Yes... if you include other buffs to the necro class; such as the one's I already suggested:
5% lower fire and poison resists means a 12.5% increase of damage from fire and poison sources. Yes, I agree, it absolutely is a big deal and 60-55, goes a long way to making the template viable for group pvp- as well as solo pvp, but 50 of each resist would make it far too OP.
The solution to making necros viable again is not UBER buffing corpse skin... It's allowing them to reduce max resists regardless of focus spec, while reducing the ability of it to stack, while buffing OTHER aspects of Necros (spell damage inc and survive-ability skills like spiritspeak).
Why shouldn't it stack? Because the damage is ridiculous...
Holy crap, this guy doesn't even play Atl? Can we all vote him off the island please?
"How you use it" most certainly matters to some extent, but some templates are simply better than others; and that said, Necros are garbage these days. Paith and I are both old fans of Necros and good at the template and both of us will tell you that necros are garbage- and the evidence is that neither of us play them anymore.
Why?
UO is supposed to be a great game because with enough skill you could overcome seemingly impossible odds. Nothing in the game should be a nearly un-avoidable insta-kill- regardless of how outnumbered you are.
If all an archer has to do is hold a corpse while you're off screen, and then cast an omen and toggle his special- to pretty much guarantee a kill, it is definitely a little broken. Avoiding it may be possible, but it does little to BEAT it.
Okay, now answer this question- how are you supposed to kill your opponents when all you can do is run because they do that much damage that quickly?
You were asking "loaded" questions, completely negating KEY factors. Virem, as well as any archer and/or shield bash/tank mage can do that amount of damage in that time if everything lines up right- but the chance of "everything lining up right" is nearly impossible against good players. In this case, Virem's combo is completely dependent on your opponent standing still/staying on screen for too long. In gen's gif he was taking all that damage WHILE RUNNING. If you can't see how that is broken, I think you need to try to stop zero'ing in on little facts and start trying to understand the big picture.
You both need to get voted off the island.
Actually... no. Only someone who has no clue how to pvp would fail to see the difference between the two. Explosion FS + Armor requires cursing your target, THEN getting an explosion off, THEN getting a flame strike off, THEN CHASING your character and armor ignoring them from MELEE distance. The archer combo in comparison is much quicker and much easier.
The other skills involve your current skills in order to do damage, consumables are free and require no skill, just have to carry them. Inscribe works with magery, lumberjacking works with swords skill(only axes too I might add). Alchemy works with nothing, it just boosts damage pots which shouldn't do that kind of damage ever for any reason. The conflag potion is meant to be an interrupt or field blocker, not 40-50 damage trap for free. ITs more ridiculous then curse corpse being stacked. Novas should have never even been put in UO at all, dumbest thing ever.
Boxing an omen can take anywhere from around 10 to 25 hp. Not really a good solution...
No, that's a terrible idea. You can't make different threads, because that's what all the noobs do. They zero in on one detail and neglect the big picture and how it affects overall balance. Everything is inter-related.
You're still not making a valid point. Why does alchemy have to work with another skill?
This is correct. Focus spec should have buffed spirit speak heals and corpse skin should lower the cap to 55 regardless of skill, and not be stackable. If you were trying to make archery OP, letting them hit 45 fire resist on an apple timer is the best way to do it.
Yeah, believe it or not, there is a skill to knowing when to conflag, where to conflag, or when to nova. I used to synchronize nova's with other good pvp'ers to disrupt cross heals over a period of time, which is probably something far more advanced than anything you've ever done.
so no if they don't add your suggestions, got it.
So 12.5 from a necro is better than 15 from a pure mage and + 10 if you have inscribe to all resist types?????? Mate are you having trouble with basic math???
If they buff other things about necro I have no problem with corpse and curse not stacking until then corpse and curse should stack
Wrong because my box was doing 7-20 so yes it is a great solution
All a tank mage has to do is curse, run off screen pre cast an explosion and pray for rng casting focus so you can get off the flamestrike ai.
Are you having trouble following what happened? in the gif he didn't take all that damage WHILE RUNNING he stopped in an attempt to get a hide off.
Do you even pvp? There are different options you can precast the explosion or you can hope for your casting focus to go off. Why are you talking about melee distance only for the mage but not the dexxer? There are melee dexxers and archer mages too... The mage combo can be quicker and is just as easy as the archer combo.
Are you against inscribe and lumber jacking pvp bonus?