Your opinion is so ignorant on so many different levels. Seriously. From the comment about over reacting to the health care issue I would strongly suggest that you actually take the time to educate yourself on topics instead of spouting soundbytes that you have heard/read. Basically what I am saying is:
Wow. I have no comment that would not be deleted.
I guess the topic hits close to home for you. I am sorry for your position in Ultima Online and in life but you can change that. Hard work and saving can earn you those things you wish to have.Your opinion is so ignorant on so many different levels. Seriously. From the comment about over reacting to the health care issue I would strongly suggest that you actually take the time to educate yourself on topics instead of spouting soundbytes that you have heard/read. Basically what I am saying is:
A casual player would be hard pressed to make 25-50m month? Do you just sit in the bank and chat all day and if so then you earn nothing. Do a spawn, partake in EM events, buy and sell, craft, or any of the other hundreds of things that can earn you gold. Yes, gold might not be the carrot BUT if you want things in this game they cost gold. Pretty simple. If you prefer not to go that route that's OK too just don't complain when you don't have the means to afford anything.
Ok let me walk you through it:I guess the topic hits close to home for you. I am sorry for your position in Ultima Online and in life but you can change that. Hard work and saving can earn you those things you wish to have.
Come to Origin and make that in a month even if you did spawns all day long without being raided(you can for the most part) and got all decent 120 every time it would take months to sell them on Origin (it takes months to sell most anything on all but 2 shards it seems from reading what others have to say so lets say you do somehow get good scolls to sell you are taking them to Atl to sell which if you don't have shard shields cost real money.....
I played Origin for years, 10+ so I know the lack of population on Origin. Your right it would be nearly impossible to sell anything there. So you have to invest in a transfer token or use shard shields and off to Atlantic you go. Many people will even help you out and haul for free (just saw a post on Acid Rain offering free shard xfers for items). You can also invest in a transfer token and recoup that loss on the back end when you sell your items. You have to go through some hurdles but that's what it takes.
I transfer things for people all the time for free... I have a full set of shields to every shard... maybe that's my problem though right there I should stop being a nice community minded person and start being a greedy SOB and maybe then I'd make a couple bucks in the game...
Eh, I think I would simply lean towards stupid idea over conspiracy to manipulate us. Simpler explanation.
And how much of your abundant wealth did you dump in the trash can this morning, as a show of Dev Solidarity ? That's what I thought.
This is why I have 3 Mil on Origin and 300 Mil on Atlantic....as sad as that is, I can't make that kind of gold on Origin even if I wanted to put my vendors back up and sell stuff....so off to the UO Mall I go! LOL I do love Atlantic even though some of the prices are insane, that's how I make my gold.
I am so poor that this would no affect me. Lets stick with what is about to happen. We will all start with 0 points at the new dungeon and our old points and new points have to be spent by next year.
Or they could still use gold, just wipe out all existing at server up one day and we all start over collecting...it will give the dupers more incentive to keep working too!
If true, that is a really efficient way to lose players' good will long term.
I have a multiple of accounts.. most of them given to me by friends who have left the game or even passed away... I don't dupe, don't autobox none of that... I really don't even vendor stuff.. I do however always collect my gifts... which can sometimes take me a day or two to complete... I sometimes might have 2 characters on at the same time generally for RP purposes... but for the most part it's storage... house keeping and my love of design and deco that keeps me maintaining so many accounts...
Go and do some peerless, crimson cinctures on Atlantic still sell for 25million + So you only need 2. There are lots of things that are easy to do that have decent drops that sell for millions on normal shards. Despise and Covetous lvl 3 also do decent drops as well as doom and of course shadowguard. You can make that kinda money just selling farmed essences quickly on any shard. Just put a little work in.
That really wouldn't accomplish anything other than making rarer items impossible to sell for currency until a reasonable currency supply reestablished itself, which would take years most likely. To get the effect of a 100m item being sold for 100k (or whatever) you would want to convert the currency (and adjust the rate of influx correspondingly of course), not remove the current currency, then implement a new one. Currency does not have any inherent value. Items aren't hard to buy because there's a lot of currency.
Yeah, that's why people shouldn't use the gold dropped off of monsters as a metric for whether or not something is too expensive. Looting gold off of monsters is probably the worst (most inefficient) possible way to amass currency.
Well, it represents some level of man hours, not necessarily an individual's work, anyway. You shouldn't view the price tag on an item in terms of "how many demons do I have to slay to get this item?" That just ignores the workings of the economy, and the real way that one should go about getting the currency to buy the things they want. If you expect to buy everything from money you personally looted you're doomed before you start.
Sooner or later someone is going to have to amass it. There are only 2 ways gold enters the game, loot or dupe. Pray tell what metric should be used then.
I understand, but my point is that as an individual, it's not a good idea to look at it in those terms, because as has been pointed out, you can't realistically expect yourself to farm monsters to make 30m (or whatever) in a reasonable period of time.
That just shows how broken the economy already is. If we had a healthy economy there shouldn't be any need to get your hands on 30m.
Where do you think this gold is coming from that other players pay for the things you sell? If it doesn't come from looting monsters there's only 1 option left.
The only thing that drive you crazy is the inflation in this game. If you think that it's normal to pay 20m or more for a single 120 skill scroll you are insane.
That's true. Goldseller. Takes only a minute to get your hands on a few platin to fill up your bank.
I don't think that's a reflection of a broken economy it's a reflection of the fact that there are a lot of high demand low supply items. Nothing you can do to the currency will allow for a player to go farm demons for a couple of days to get a top tier item. That's a result of scarcity, nothing more. If scarcity exists, those items will always take a relatively exorbitant exchange in value to acquire be it bartering with currency or other rare items.
Everyone adds gold to the overall pool of gold. It then gets shifted around from player to player. I'm sure duping happens too, but the amount of gold that all players add daily to the pool is always going to be substantial.
Currency value is relative, my friend. If you cut the numbers down to 1/10th or 1/100th of what they are now it would not effect your buying power in the slightest. A 120 scroll would be just as hard to get when it only costs 200k, because 200k will be relatively as difficult to attain in that setting as 20m would be in the current one. That's just how it works. You cannot make scarce items affordable by any means other than making them less scarce.
That's true, but what I was referring to is making gold by selling other less rare items to other players for smaller amounts than what rare items run you, but for far larger than you can expect to get from monsters in a reasonable period of time.
I disagree the amount added daily isn’t really all that substantial.
I can't say how much gold gets made a day, I just don't have the data. I would imagine that the influx of gold has dwindled at the same rate the population has decreased. Anyways, there was around 20 years of mostly uninterrupted 24/7 gold farming going on, and over that period I have to imagine people have harvested an astronomical sum. How much of that gold is in circulation still I have no idea. I would guess a lot of it, but again, it's just speculation.
