When you get me the theory crafting on how much stamina 30 SR actually gives per time period, then we can see if it'll "break" anything. Until then, its moot to keep saying "30 SR!"
with 30 stam regen, you gain 30 stam every 10 seconds
I fight everyone when I see them in game 1v1 and have a winning record over the few people that managed a kill on me. Same applies with group fights, so it doesn't really matter you you are it was just a question of how bad you are- which is why ya don't want to say your chars name. All good though, continue the troll. lol.Great logic there, buddy!
And what does my char's name have to do with you dodging fights? Please do elaborate. Or not.
Source? Because with 30 MR you definitely dont get 30 mana every 10 seconds.
Ok and how much sta is lost per point of damage on a bird? Then we can calculate if 30 sta every ten seconds will be more than enough to keep the bird at 150 stamina.
This is assuming that pets follow the same rules for players - and in a lot of cases they don't. They don't even have standard rules for creatues as some tames have a higher innate mana regen. This may be the case for stamina as well. It'd need to be tested.
Leech doesn't take stamina, and mace mastery has no abilities that lowers stamina, only swing speed.
Your correct on leech sorry. I do believe the mace drops stamina as well (perhaps inherent? ). As I mentioned earlier I thought the current proposed nerf was not only acceptable but needed. Do you feel it needs more of a nerf than what's proposed?
If the proposed nerf doesn't fix the problem, yeah. Yes, maces do inherent stamina damage, but it's not a major increase to regular stamina loss, and with 30 stamina regen, it's impact is even further limited. I'm not sure on the numbers with stamina drain, but it's certainly not a consistent means of managing the stamina of something. Pierce from fencing mastery actually does lower stam, so does crushing blow on slow weapons, but I feel like being prepared via these methods just to hopefully slow a phoenix down is a pretty strong power limiter simply to deal with one tactic.
Crushing Blow removes 10 pts of stamina. Which is probably what Fidgester was thinking about. Phoenix are not grossly overpowered, they can be killed and despite what people have claimed they can also be out ran. It's not like they're zooming up to people and one-shotting them. If you're not adjusting to handling them with available counters, then that doesn't mean they're over powered. There is a system of checks and balances in place.
Crushing blow only does stamina damage on 3+ second swing speed weapons, ones that are useless for pvp, but, yes, I did mention it in a previous post. I don't think anyone is claiming they are running up to people and 1 shotting them, or saying they cannot be killed, or outran on horseback. The "available counters" are very weak for any other purpose than slowing down phoenixes, I don;t think it's reasonable for people to drop their own power a significant level
Kind of competitive? If you wanna know what the most powerful templates are in pvp, just watch yew gate for a couple days. You'll notice right now, its fully of tamers.
Is this a high probability ie what is the pet dismount frequency?
This is probably the easiest way to deal with this. The effect on pvm would be zero, and super speed birds would still have pvp value.
High enough if the pets only melee ability is Dismount. Doesn't matter, this should not be a feature. I really doubt it was ever intended to have a way to allow to dismount while maintaining mount yourself. Why else would dismount timers exist?
This is very scenario based. I was dismounted 3 times in under a minute. (Bit me 8 times - dismounted 3 of the 8)
Focus skill adds stamina regen as well, I don't remember how much you get though, I want to say it's ~20 at 100.0, may be incorrect with the exact numbers, but it does* in fact increase stamina regeneration.
I disagree with the dex/stam nerf. It losing stamina when struck (as proposed in meet and greet) and the removal of dismount would be more than enough
That honestly sounds like a win for pvmers.
Right, it is, assuming NPC/Pet specials are fixed by that I mean, things like:
Some good points. So it seems the Phoenix can actually regenerate more than 30 stamina every 10 seconds. I can see some people scrolling their Phoenix to 120 Focus. This is why I'm doubting the effectiveness of the proposed fix by the devs when their plan depends on the Phoenix stamina loss. You can even put Chiv on it and it would cast Divine Fury, instantly replenishing its stamina.
found the formula.
Yea, most phoenixes would regen 40 stam/sec because 120 focus isn't worth the scroll usage for the stam/mana regen, especially when dismount & magery are the only things the phoenix would spend mana on.
Hehe, That sounds like a lot of mana regen but you can actually get around 3.6 mana/sec with 30 MR 120 med/focus which would give you ~36 mana every 10 seconds. (passively)
Where I can agree, and I agree dismount is useless in PVM, if you're mounting with a phoenix you're either getting a 3 slot (which is pretty weak to begin with) and taming it up to a 4 slot where it isn't anywhere near as powerful as a possible 5 slot. The tamer would need to make choices between HP or Str - as these will be relatively low, and when trained take up the majority of the pets points. You might be able to do something like boost str, HP and Sta regen. You definitely wouldn't be able to boost HP, Str, HPR, SR, MR, and add skills. Phoenix do not come naturally with dismount.
That and I'm pretty sure their skills cost more to use. Whirlwind on a player is max 15 mana, on my lesser hiryu, who loves to spam it against 1 opponent, its like 40 mana. lolHehe, That sounds like a lot of mana regen but you can actually get around 3.6 mana/sec with 30 MR 120 med/focus which would give you ~36 mana every 10 seconds. (passively)
Most every pet would have at least ~3.2 mana regen per second, due to 100 med & focus + the 30 MR from the pet imbuing process.
Mana is only a problem on pets because they have no LMC.
Pvm training and pvp training aren't necessarily the same process. Str for example isn't that important, as it's primary focus is dismounting you. For pvp all it needs is dismount, maxed resists (fire physical energy anyway), some scrolled skills, and now SR. You can get all of that done in one upgrade. I mean it's not hypothetical, people are doing it.
So the issues more with dismount than it is with the phoenix specifically?
The problem is a combination of it's spells, speed, and ability to dismount while the owner remains on mount. Removing the dismount would just make it an annoying speeder pigeon.
I think so. While phoenix will still probably spell doom for any mage on foot (which I think is imbalanced), at least if tamers would have to be dismounted themselves to dismount someone and so they could be dealt with more easily. It would be a better fix than the currently suggested one I would wager.
I wish Stratics had an ignore option for people like this. Or at least some kind of title system that said things under their name like, "PvM'er," "Good PvP'er," "Bad PvP'er," "PvM'er & Bad PvP'er" (Maz lol), etc; and the amount that you could post on PvP matters was based on how good you were at PvP (or whether you pvp at all); instead of things like "stratics veteran."Yes it would!
But you provide no evidence it will affect PvP but you want to nerf it, just in case it does. Who needs this
It goes with the person who has not even seen a pet in Fel. But still is complaining.
Stratics does have an ignore option. Click the person's name on one of their posts and this comes up:
The ignore feature is set so that it's impossible to ignore moderators and administrators. We need to be able to send people infraction PM's, and if they ignored us it would make it impossible to give them infractions or suspensions/bans. A forum poster discovered and exploited that a year or two ago. Which is why it was changed to be the way it is now
sweet thanks
Or "Cheater" so their input could just be ignored on all matters.
What do you consider a "cheater"? Who are your characters? What shard do you play? And how do you think you would fare in UO if players didn't "cheat"?
