So you just want the VvVers to have an easy button that non-VvVers can´t have?The argument that it creates an imbalance between a Red or blue VvVer vs a PvMer is just stupid. I basically have the exact same mods on the suit I am wearing right now, just as if I was wearing the artifacts. The imbalance is already there. ( If they are not geared like me ) The difference is, with the artifacts it is easier for me to replace the suits.
A lot of people don't like pvp, and don't want to learn to like it. That is perfectly valid. They don't need to be talked out of it. It's like trying to talk prodo people into playing siege. They don't want it, it's not going to happen. Let it go.Final note the only way for people to engage and get familiar with pvp is to do it… and if their resources are limited then the risk factor is not worth the reward. As I said before you have limited pvp to PKing tamers and t hunters who are farming due to the removal of items.
The consensus at the time of initial development for VvV was that the Siege community did not want the VvV artifacts on Siege. We look forward to continued to discussion on this topic. Feel free to send us any feedback to [email protected]Your trying to make points about something you know nothing about. You dont participate in VvV. You dont PvP.
The argument that it creates an imbalance between a Red or blue VvVer vs a PvMer is just stupid. I basically have the exact same mods on the suit I am wearing right now, just as if I was wearing the artifacts. The imbalance is already there. ( If they are not geared like me ) The difference is, with the artifacts it is easier for me to replace the suits. Which I SHOULD get because I AM participating in the PvP system that actually promotes PVP here. Before you farmed monsters for silver where now you must claim towns. This is suppose to be the shard with real risk. Where is my reward?
This shard is unique enough with being a fel ruleset everywhere and no insurance. We had the artifacts before in factions, and there was way more pvp to be had by all. Im also convinced that there was no one that actually pvped on Siege in that focus group that had them removed to fit their own playstyle.
Put the artifacts USEABLE BY ALL back onto Siege at least on a trial basis, and see what happens. Then make a new focus group to discuss. ( NoN VvVers wearing artifacts will be flagged orange until death)
@Kyronix can we please get a response on this?
Its not an easy button man what do you not understand about that? You have to claim alters in towns where other people are there to do that same thing. That means you have to pvp for those items. You think thats easy? Sure people could run stealthers to try and farm silver, but I definately wouldnt make it easy for them to do it. I have to risk my good suit to try and get enough silver for the arties. Different than you risking your lrc suit with a stealth tamer.So you just want the VvVers to have an easy button that non-VvVers can´t have?
And no, "Just join VvV" is not the answer and we all know that.
Siege isn´t split up like the prodo shards are. We´re all under one sky. Everything affects everyone. There´s more than PvPers on Siege.
We was scared of the effect Factions Artifacts had on Siege, but the game is different nowThe consensus at the time of initial development for VvV was that the Siege community did not want the VvV artifacts on Siege. We look forward to continued to discussion on this topic. Feel free to send us any feedback to [email protected]
The consensus at the time of initial development for VvV was that the Siege community did not want the VvV artifacts on Siege. We look forward to continued to discussion on this topic. Feel free to send us any feedback to [email protected]
Yes. But the ones who are likely to wear them in Luna on Atl are pvp'ers who are either burning counts or buying/selling.Can you wear VvV artifacts in Luna on ATL?
There's more than pvp'ers on Atl too, so that argument holds no water. The pvp'ers (except for the gz-hugging blues, who only come out of the gz when a bunch of people are already attacking someone) are all in vvv.So you just want the VvVers to have an easy button that non-VvVers can´t have?
And no, "Just join VvV" is not the answer and we all know that.
Siege isn´t split up like the prodo shards are. We´re all under one sky. Everything affects everyone. There´s more than PvPers on Siege.
It can be easily done . when vvv started here there was one guy that got to the top of the leader board by having two alts in another guild , he killed them over and over and claimed the altars at times when no one was on. at least noone who could stop himIts not an easy button man what do you not understand about that? You have to claim alters in towns where other people are there to do that same thing. That means you have to pvp for those items. You think thats easy? Sure people could run stealthers to try and farm silver, but I definately wouldnt make it easy for them to do it. I have to risk my good suit to try and get enough silver for the arties. Different than you risking your lrc suit with a stealth tamer.
Right and there is nothing wrong with that.It can be easily done . when vvv started here there was one guy that got to the top of the leader board by having two alts in another guild , he killed them over and over and claimed the altars at times when no one was on. at least noone who could stop him
And there is not much you can do about that. In factions some people would load up accounts in the opposing faction, and set the tithe rate to 100 so we couldnt get silver. There is just somethings that people will always abuse. Right now there is no reason for people to come to the towns. Vvv has been out long enough for people to collect the deco. Now they never come back, but if they needed to replenish the artifacts that had timers on them that would keep them coming back.It can be easily done . when vvv started here there was one guy that got to the top of the leader board by having two alts in another guild , he killed them over and over and claimed the altars at times when no one was on. at least noone who could stop him
A lot of ppl did that, someone in this very thread abused the hell out of that too.It can be easily done . when vvv started here there was one guy that got to the top of the leader board by having two alts in another guild , he killed them over and over and claimed the altars at times when no one was on. at least noone who could stop him
When your right , your rightA lot of ppl did that, someone in this very thread abused the hell out of that too.
you are really stretching the word community, when all you did was ask the 5-8 people that showed up to some meeting.The consensus at the time of initial development for VvV was that the Siege community did not want the VvV artifacts on Siege. We look forward to continued to discussion on this topic. Feel free to send us any feedback to [email protected]
Lets make a new focus group to discuss. A few Old Siege veterans and a few Siege veterans THAT ACTUALLY PVP. To take 6 players that were against them is not a community vote. Any thread with a poll that has ever been made the community is split 50/50 on this issue. Its simple put at least some of the artifacts back in to meet in the middle. Please consider that @KyronixThe consensus at the time of initial development for VvV was that the Siege community did not want the VvV artifacts on Siege. We look forward to continued to discussion on this topic. Feel free to send us any feedback to [email protected]
I see. Hell would freeze over before I would engage in gen chat trade or luna bank trades. Just putting it all on vendors is the way I choose for me. But can't deny what you are saying (for this one particualr aspect of UO). And since it is offtopic enough, I will just leave it at that now.I am mostly talking about the marketplace Atlantic. I am talking about the behaviour of sellers/buyers on that shard. I traded many items and learned that so many people tried to cheat you, that you even need a broker. Where I come from, there is a gentlemen agreement. Trust is everything. Try to trade with that attitude over there and you are busted. I dont hate Atlantic. I just hate the turbo-capitalist aspect of the market there. So, again, you completely got me wrong. As I said: We both live on different planets. This has nothing to do with the OP.
Err, it has to do with the OP. Things like these will probably not happen to you on Siege or Drachenfels.
P.S.: Example conversation with an Atlantic trader: "sup man! wut? I will give you 5 mil for the crap (lighthouse reward). Stfu. Bought 10 lighthouses for 4 mil last week. FU." And so on and so on and so on. Luna Atlantic is the place where you can see everything that went wrong in this game in the last years.
In this day and age you can still get scammed?.I would really like to hear in what circumstance's you can get scammed in game while trading.I am mostly talking about the marketplace Atlantic. I am talking about the behaviour of sellers/buyers on that shard. I traded many items and learned that so many people tried to cheat you, that you even need a broker. Where I come from, there is a gentlemen agreement. Trust is everything. Try to trade with that attitude over there and you are busted. I dont hate Atlantic. I just hate the turbo-capitalist aspect of the market there. So, again, you completely got me wrong. As I said: We both live on different planets. This has nothing to do with the OP.
Err, it has to do with the OP. Things like these will probably not happen to you on Siege or Drachenfels.
P.S.: Example conversation with an Atlantic trader: "sup man! wut? I will give you 5 mil for the crap (lighthouse reward). Stfu. Bought 10 lighthouses for 4 mil last week. FU." And so on and so on and so on. Luna Atlantic is the place where you can see everything that went wrong in this game in the last years.
Is this what you tell your grandkid's when they ask you something also?Blah Blah Blah
Hmm so you WERE LYING in your other post!.I am too young for grandkids. But lemme think about it...
...yes. If they are like you
C'mon. H U M O R
You didnt quote,you were asking your grandkid's what this and this mean's in the siege post?,guess it was just another "joke" eh?.Wut?
Interpretation!,i can'T come up with a better answer,thus you are now out of my channel kid....*Ignore Button*
That is oft times the best option, when debate and intelligent discourse devolves into mud slinging it is time to stop feeding that troll.*Ignore Button*
Kind of like a person who dosent even pvp, telling us why he dosent think pvp items are good for the game?That is oft times the best option, when debate and intelligent discourse devolves into mud slinging it is time to stop feeding that troll.
Id say he has you pretty well figured.You do not know me.