Yea, but how many of us only maintain 1 account these days anyways? I hear about people with 10-20 accounts. I have to figure most people have 2-3.
Logrus I get that, but what about the Dexxer with the bonded Llama, or Swamp Dragon? These guys aren't using their pets as fighting partners, though the Swampy will absorb some damage, they are also strongly effected by this timer.
Actually it is about tamers without vet. When the system doesn't differentiate between those players who aren't tamers and those who are, you can't make changes to just enhance play for non-tamers. This is why I didn't like this system when it arrived. This is why I would not support removing or reducing the timer as things stand now, because it will give tamers an easy ride they don't deserve.
Or those players can keep spare pets in the stable, use ethys or just go make a cuppa while they wait. You can leave a dead pet at the vets and take out a spare pet. Leave the dead one behind while you hunt for a bit with the spare, then return to complete the rez later. Or just stay wherever you were hunting while your pet is a ghost, then go to town after the pet's been dead 10 minutes and get an instant rez. Use your ethy while you're still hunting.
It's not just player interaction that requires this delay.
Because no class becomes overpowered because they can resurrect instantly. With NPC vets, instant rez = overpowered tamers.
See above, no template becomes overpowered because they can repair instantly. So no delay is needed.
So this really reads - So lets make it even harder for them by keeping some archaic delay that is long past its sell by date and for which they will be unable to see the reason for. In the past there was some justification for it, now, I have failed to see even ONE good reason given for keeping it in the game. All I see is an obsolete timer that is just an nuisance to others.
Err Tamers with Veterinary CAN resurrect instantly does that make them all overpowered?.
With non-combat related mounts running under 1k gold from the animal trainer vendor, I don't see how the argument about "non-tamers " is really relevant, and the same goes for new players. Bonded pets are a convenience offered to the community to compete with things like ethereals and no-loss of items on death. Not a replacement for those things. If you are just out for a mount, you don't actually need a bonded pet.
*raises hand*...la
I'm guessing it's the VvV with their combat mounts that are the squeakiest wheels...la
No, because they have to commit points into vet and animal lore before they can resurrect. If you commit say 300 to 360 skill points just to your taming skills, you're restricted in what else you can fit into that template. If you can free up one of those skill slots for something else then you can make a much stronger tamer.
Makes no sense at all and you seem to have personal taming/template issues that bias your opinions on the matter.
Interesting that you should mention repairing armour - Yes I remember well the Smiths that used to be at the Blacksmiths in Britain - always helpful and cheerful. Back then getting armour repaired was easy enough but, as time went on the smiths began to leave one by one until today the Smithy is totally deserted and has been for ages. So the game moved on. In came repair deeds to take up the slack (these are instant by the way). Perhaps it should have been suggested that players all learn Blacksmithing to repair their own in the same way that it has been suggested that they learn Vet to overcome the delay. In the same context it is harder these days to find a Vet to res a pet, but here the game has NOT moved on, the antediluvian delay remains serving no useful purpose.
You might not care about balancing the game beyond the NPC vet but some of us do. I didn't agree with the system we got and I want it changed. But changing one issue and creating several other ones is daft.
This is exactly the problem with this discussion. Or rather how you want to hold it. You are not playing in an isolated bubble. Changes made to the vet NPCs affect the game beyond you.
You forgot to allow for tactical logging out by said tamer, their pets aren't dying as much as you suggest
As I said before, I don't believe a fighting pet should be resurrected by these NPCs, and if that had been the original design I'd have supported reducing the timer for non-tamers. But you can't just remove the timer from the current system without breaking stuff elsewhere. 
May I ask if you have come across many PVP tamers?? Cause having them have insta res for pets, would deffo mean they will be overpowered, Try fight a high rated Bane Dragon/Dreadmare, one time after the other.... Trust me, you are gonna probably lose....
Huh?
You are completely missing the point.
The instant pet rez isn't the bit that overpowers the tamer, it's just a feature that makes them feel comfortable replacing vet skill for another more powerful skill. It's adding in extra skills that make the tamer stronger and potentially overpowered. Just as it does when a PvP tamer replaces vet with something offensive. NPC vets are a backup option tamers can rely on when they need to. Making it faster makes it more attractive. It encourages more tamers to drop vet because they can survive without it. It doesn't take a genius to work out that being careful and employing the log-out trick cuts your pet deaths down to a level where you aren't spending ages getting all rezzed. I've been a tamer for well over a decade, I do know how it works and how viable zero vet is these days
Seeing is believing. It can work if you have the right template and know how to use it. Greater dragons are pretty tough tanks. Of course having vet and magery gives you more defensive protection for your pets, but even my zero med tamers can chain enough greater heals to keep a GD alive when they need to.
Class hatred? Well I'm the tamer forum moderator so guess which is my favourite template lol. You wanna accuse me of hating my favourite class, be my guest
Just because you don't think a template isn't viable doesn't mean another tamer can't make it work. I learned that lesson myself because I didn't think a tamer worked without vet in PvM either. Sometimes enough things change in a game and impossible becomes viable. Some tamers aren't as concerned about skill loss as the next tamer is. Certainly not until the tactical log out is fixed. Then you'll see an appropriate response to pet death and skill loss because some tamers won't be able to circumvent it. But until then any changes to the NPC vets need to be made sensibly in consideration of what tamers can do, so we get a good fix that doesn't require a nerf later on. 
Didn't say it was you hating... but I still fail to see any legit argument to keeping the timer in... or how it makes a tamer "overpowered". FAIL.The instant pet rez isn't the bit that overpowers the tamer, it's just a feature that makes them feel comfortable replacing vet skill for another more powerful skill. It's adding in extra skills that make the tamer stronger and potentially overpowered. Just as it does when a PvP tamer replaces vet with something offensive. NPC vets are a backup option tamers can rely on when they need to. Making it faster makes it more attractive. It encourages more tamers to drop vet because they can survive without it. It doesn't take a genius to work out that being careful and employing the log-out trick cuts your pet deaths down to a level where you aren't spending ages getting all rezzed. I've been a tamer for well over a decade, I do know how it works and how viable zero vet is these days
Seeing is believing. It can work if you have the right template and know how to use it. Greater dragons are pretty tough tanks. Of course having vet and magery gives you more defensive protection for your pets, but even my zero med tamers can chain enough greater heals to keep a GD alive when they need to.
Class hatred? Well I'm the tamer forum moderator so guess which is my favourite template lol. You wanna accuse me of hating my favourite class, be my guest
Wenchy
The ability is there whether or not folk use it... I could drop it on half my tamers any day of the week.... I still have 3 or 4 more tamers I could log in INSTANTLY and rez my pet with NO penalty... so again.... your point is just hate directed at tamers. The arguments are just in there to try to keep people from making a template they ALREADY make... so again this is a silly moot argument.... it ain't stopping them... it won't stop them and all it REALLY serves to do is waste precious time of those who have other things to do than stand around for 10 min waiting for a pet rez on a shard that has 10 active players on it.
Just take a minute breathe and remember its just a game and this is just an opinion thread on an internet forum.
The argument is actually in a game that is meant to be fun, what added 'fun' does a ten minute downtime for some people bring. Does it balance some other huge problem with having pets available? Why is it only appropriate for one set of circumstances, and no others? I've never seen any reasoned arguments for those questions, which makes any sort of sensible discussion pretty much impossible....
And I was giving my opinion... which is... that the timer ruins the game for the rest of the players and punishes everyone because someone doesn't like one template or the fact that some tamers don't run with Vet... that's their choice. Why ruin the game for the rest of us and penalize EVERYONE when someone thinks one template is "overpowered" which if it is... then nerf it in a way that doesn't punish everyone else. Which is what I was saying if you took the time to actually READ my post.
And the most modest?
No offense but I am fairly certain that everyone against the timer in this thread knew what you and wenchy meant by bringing the extra skills from the start. But that is simply not the point.
Just because you can't see something, doesn't mean it isn't there. It's not my problem if you can't see the potential of an extra skill in the hands of a skilful tamer.
If a 10 minute timer is ruining your game, you need to find another game or regain some perspective.
I'm supportive of improving the NPC vet system beyond what we have now but it has to be done with some thought and care. Not just "OMG 10 minutes is the end of the world, take it out and the heck with the consequences!!" 
Super, so what do u suggest to improve the NPC vet ?Just because you can't see something, doesn't mean it isn't there. It's not my problem if you can't see the potential of an extra skill in the hands of a skilful tamer.
If a 10 minute timer is ruining your game, you need to find another game or regain some perspective.
You are not being penalised or having your game ruined. Once upon a time if your pet died you had to go tame another one. Now you have been given pet bonding so your pets can be carefully selected, trained and resurrected if they die with a minimal skill loss. Oh yes and the skill loss too was reduced. You don't have to spend time constantly buying or taming new pets, or training them from scratch. Both of which take considerably longer than 10 minutes. Heck you even have ethy's now so you don't have to use a live mount at all! Now you have been given NPC vets so you have the convenience of a rez without asking a tamer for help. And now after all these improvements and time saved, you say the timer is ruining the game for some. Spend a month taming a fresh pet each time one dies and then tell me how hard life is in the modern UO
Wenchy
Nice reply.Thread whiffs off the 'Gimme it now, faster, quicker, more, easier NOW NOW NOW!' fragrance often found in UO.
Also, Stratics needs a dislike button on posts.
1. Shorten the timer for non-tamer pets being resurrected.
Your complete lack of common sense or ability to actually look at a situation makes it easy to put you on ignore, thanks
How long should such a timer be ?
Admittedly it has been a while since I last used Windows, but on Ubuntu Linux there is a great feature where in the top right corner of the screen the time of day is displayed. It is super useful for timing 10 minutes if I need to.
I wouldn't honestly want to pick a time out of the air, 5 mins, maybe a bit more or less wouldn't bother me if it's a non-tamer.
I'm not hostile towards tamers without vet. But there is a point where a tamer should take care of their own pet and stop expecting others to pick up the pieces if things go wrong.
Exactly, which is why it's not asking a lot for a tamer to look after their own pets. They can put vet on a soulstone too.
It's not about whether the cost and skill loss are "punishment enough". One tamer's "punishment" is "so what?" to the next tamer. This is simply about saying to a tamer, if you want a big fighting pet then you can't just run to an NPC when it dies. You need to make some proper provision on your own.
I'm not making that suggestion because a) it's irrelevant, b) it's dumb and c) because I am not obsessed with vet. Some of us were just brought up to take responsibility for looking after our own stuff.
Of course tamers have pet balls. If they don't, I'm sure they'll dust them off when they can't use the log out trick. But it still needs fixing
It's the new and returning players that suffer the non-sense of the timer.... NOT The players running Tamers with no VET.
The time it takes to get the pet rezed is a very long time to wait if you need to run back and get your body... which the new player would now have to do ON FOOT. Because their pet is dead... therefore whatever killed them in the first place is likely still hovering over their corpse.. without there mount they will have to get killed again how many times to recover their corpse? Whereas if they could get the mount rezed again quickly they could get back out there quickly and grab their corpse and get AWAY from what killed them before giving them more of a fighting chance to get back up and back into trying to gain skills and stuffs...
