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The point he's making is he wants to use Britain to bribe his BODs and not go elsewhere, so using one of the other cities is not an option, and he shouldn't have to change "his" specific gameplay..last I looked Britain, Jhelom, Skara Brae, Moonglow, Vesper, Trinsic, Yew..amongst many other cities in Trammel are completely safe and chaos free. Let's not forget Luna, and Umbra. So many options. Not what he's looking for. He wants to change the whole system to cater to "him" and his Fel crafter..it make an abundance of sense...if your him
But with all that being said I feel wayyyy too safe when I'm roaming through trammel cities. I wish to start a poll or thread stating just that to start getting feedback..I wonder how it's going to go
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Assume much?...la
Even if I did play on Origin, it's rather a poor offer since anyone might as well just avoid the town. It isn't worth it, don't you see?
Now, see what happens when you make an actual reply?
Before Trammel, PKs had a common excuse that "You agreed to be a target just by being there." It didn't wash then, nor does it wash now. In fact, now it's worse. Turn orange and you'd better hide outside Fel, because even going to a non-VvV town makes you open.
There were better ways of dealing with blue interference. I've laid out some ideas that wouldn't have impacted the "PvP experience" while not deterring non-participants from using eight cities, which I'll again point out were always safe zones for over 17 years.
And I just remembered something when about to go hunt butchers at cemeteries: I can't go to Fel Jhelom's anymore.
In fact, I'm clearly not, if you bothered to read this or the other thread.
Do you need me to give you links to the replies just above yours?
That's a nonsensical answer. Felucca cities even after the facet split were always safe zones.
So spare us, will you?
Aren't there already too many "safe zones" on production shards?...la
All of which I already use, even with the pain of getting to Delucia in T2A (go to Papua, stuck option, stuck option back).
So I'll take your response as conceding that, in fact, there is an impact on BOD bribing. Need I point out again that you're naming five, but there are eight cities effectively off limits which were not before, two of which had the greatest number of NPCs?
Maybe if you understood, you know, how bribing works?
Nonsensical answer. So what would you like, turn off all guard zones across Felucca? Wait, don't answer that, because you just might suggest that.
You have all the rest of Felucca to attack/steal in.
Speaking about yourself? I'm hardly alone, which anyone with reading comprehension skills would see.
We've seen things similarly before Zog. I'm sorry to see you on this crusade and so willing to bash others in pursuit of your own agenda. Let's talk thongs!
Maybe if you actually read my posts, instead of forming opinions about game mechanics you clearly don't understand, you wouldn't have posted something so utterly wrong.
That isn't the point. Do you even understand how bribing works? I'll answer my own question and point that, clearly, you don't.
I don't want to "change" anything. Things were changed against me and others.
If you feel too safe on the Upper East Side, hey, go take a walk around East New York at 3 a.m. with money sticking out of your pocket.But with all that being said I feel wayyyy too safe when I'm roaming through trammel cities. I wish to start a poll or thread stating just that to start getting feedback..I wonder how it's going to go
RTB and coming back for an addition month don't count.
Are you so gung-ho for open warfare that you don't realize what this is doing to your own shard?I agree, Zog is losing this fight
Spoken by someone whose posts I've picked apart before, naturally.Hah, I doubt he agrees.
God bless the ignore list.
Of course, a non-reply reply.LOL!
No, we have not.
Bash? I'm not the one making snarky/trolling replies, thinly veiled insults, non sequitur responses, or non-reply replies that say nothing.
You yourself want to insist I'm "alone," when clearly I'm not.
There's no "agenda." Things were changed for the worse, and I don't want my crafters deterred from using cities that were perfectly safe for 17 years.
And I don't want to know about your underwear, thanks.
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Wait... you stuck option between del and pap? Sorry kind of off topic here but why wouldn't you just run into del bribe then run out recall to pap tele in moonglow and go in through there? seems like a huge waste of your daily stuck options!
With the fix we got, I believe it will be all fine on Siege
We still have some safe towns, even when less than normal shards do have
That's a pretty big jump. All I've stated is that the recent guard zone changes aren't as bad as your claims. It's 20-25 minutes in one town at a time. For you to exagerate my position is laughable...la
I'm not going to dissect your posts, no one has time for that.
But your next to last statement seems to contradict itself, and you are here railing, yes railing, at a change that while not perfect, has obviously been a big boon to the very number of people who live in your world, if your world is fel only.
So, either you prefer to be all alone in that world, or I would think you would be happy to make a change or two in order to accommodate your new guests.
Your call.
But your next to last statement seems to contradict itself, and you are here railing, yes railing, at a change that while not perfect, has obviously been a big boon to the very number of people who live in your world, if your world is fel only.
So, either you prefer to be all alone in that world, or I would think you would be happy to make a change or two in order to accommodate your new guests.
Your call.
Again...assume much?...la
Because there's a possibility, slight but not zero, of running into reds at the cave passage to Delucia. I'm not going to have my crafters drop everything valuable and/or gear up for a bribe run. That's just ridiculous, but the stuck option obviates getting attacked. Running into attackers outside Felucca towns — now that was understood. Running into them because a Felucca city, which had been safe for over 17 years, is now a battle zone for the long term, is absurd.
And there's been no limit to stuck options for a while now, you know. Successive requests just take longer.
You live in Fel, have obviously played a long time, and I just have no idea what to say to that statement.
The moongate teleporting helps somewhat, but why should you be content with "some" safe towns when they should have all remained safe?With the fix we got, I believe it will be all fine on Siege
I keep saying time and time again, and nobody seems to want to address this, that there was no reason to kick non-participant blues out of VvV towns.
There's no exaggeration. You yourself stated:
And I asked you a very point-blank question, which did not assume or exaggerate anything about your position, but directly asked what you want to happen.
The rotating cities are still too much. Who's going to bother gearing up a character, then having to get out of a town once it's a battle zone?
There's no assumption at all. When you're back for a meaningful length of time, then perhaps you can talk...la.
In other words, I've made points you can't refute. But thanks for playing, next contestant?
What are you talking about, that I wrote this?
There's nothing contradictory about that, and it is hardly a "guest" who can pop into a Felucca city and suddenly attack me. You should pick words more carefully next time. How many times must I lay out the simple changes that would have kept everyone happy? Do you even bother to read that, or are you just going to continue to troll me?
And there you go again, claiming I'm "alone" when anyone with a minimal understanding of the English language can see I'm not. Do you need links as I offered?
You can say nothing, you can recant your nonsense of claiming I'm "alone," and/or you can say something about the Pareto efficient changes I've outlined. Would you like more suggestions?
Perhaps, because continuing along any of those lines would seem to lend credence to the fact that I think you have a point. Which, I don't.
Good and if you feel threatened in big ole bad Fel..go play in candy land. There's zero wrong with the improvements they are making. It has been changed to warn and even teleport you to the nearest moongate. If you still feel the need to craft specifically in that town with all you uninsured armor and barbed kits, then so be it. Otherwise stop whining over such a minuscule detail. I'm sure if I spent long enough I can find exact same contradictions you've made about topics close to this(not this specifically), because it's also in "YOUR" best interest! The game isn't about you or the other 4-5 Crafters who are the last of the Mohicans whom actually craft in a fel city and expect to be protected at ALL costs.
Adapt or Die!
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How about we stop trying to tell other players where they should live and play based on our silly notions of what is or isn't acceptable in Fel. Most of you seem more interested in scoring some super-funny snarky comebacks, insulting players who use non-VvV chars in Fel (oh the humanity!) and making yourselves and PvPers look as selfish and intolerant as you can. Talk about shooting yourselves in the foot. You think new players will see VvV telling players to leave or be flagged, then experience the lovely attitude in the PvP community that won't welcome outsiders, and still want to play with you? Good luck with that. I think you need a new PR team
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Just LOL @ all the Drama on the fel/mule subject! My husband and I have 5 accts with several mule chars across multiple shards. We are in fel quite often with these exact chars and see ZERO issue with this.
I'm with cazador on this: Adapt or Die!
I'm with cazador on this: Adapt or Die!
I just wanted to pop in and say that I think there are a lot of people who feel as Zog does about how the VvV system is affecting Fel towns and Siege. I'm one of them. I tried to help a few weeks ago by listing in a now-locked thread all the things that seemed like they would be affected, especially on Siege. But at this point I doubt that a lot of people are inclined to step up and argue on the forums about the whole issue because we go nowhere with the arguments, threads end up being locked, and people just raise their blood pressure and get aggravated with each other. There's also a lot of other stuff to do in UO right now, between new short-lived content and the RtB promotion, so this issue is perhaps not getting the attention from players that it might otherwise get.
Kyronix and other people on the dev team spent a lot of time developing this system. It's unlikely it will be changed overnight to please anyone unless it's necessary to stop a harmful exploit. I think the dev team is going to just sit back and observe for a while how the system is doing with attracting PvPers and also what is happening in Fel and on Siege and Mugen with other activities that don't directly tie into VvV. Hopefully they are also contemplating all the feedback people have tried to give and will be able to craft some solutions that will mollify most players who are interested in playing in Fel and on Siege and Mugen, no matter what it is they actually do in those places.
Kyronix and other people on the dev team spent a lot of time developing this system. It's unlikely it will be changed overnight to please anyone unless it's necessary to stop a harmful exploit. I think the dev team is going to just sit back and observe for a while how the system is doing with attracting PvPers and also what is happening in Fel and on Siege and Mugen with other activities that don't directly tie into VvV. Hopefully they are also contemplating all the feedback people have tried to give and will be able to craft some solutions that will mollify most players who are interested in playing in Fel and on Siege and Mugen, no matter what it is they actually do in those places.
I pick up and turn in bods in Ocllo, daily, still. Its a molehill.How about we stop trying to tell other players where they should live and play based on our silly notions of what is or isn't acceptable in Fel. Most of you seem more interested in scoring some super-funny snarky comebacks, insulting players who use non-VvV chars in Fel (oh the humanity!) and making yourselves and PvPers look as selfish and intolerant as you can. Talk about shooting yourselves in the foot. You think new players will see VvV telling players to leave or be flagged, then experience the lovely attitude in the PvP community that won't welcome outsiders, and still want to play with you? Good luck with that. I think you need a new PR team
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I don't care if I never played the game, just because your feelings seem to have been hurt by having to either leave a town for 20 minutes doesn't mean the rules need to be changed for you...la
I'd like to just state that I myself live in fel on chessy (not sure what servers you guys are from so that may change the dynamic) and I also turn bods in at fel brit. I haven't done any bods since the patch but when I would craft in fel brit I think out of all the times ive been there ive only seen one other person crafting there. The rest of the times ive run into people is murderers burning off counts as a ghost, the random pvpers getting a circle, and maybe the random person hanging at brit bank.
So atleast on chessy people like me are in the minority, and majority rules in this case so I need to make way for the changes. They don't really affect me I just turn in bods in tram, malas, or tokuno now. Not a big deal, I just felt cool living in fel lol.
Btw I still go to fel dungeons mostly if im killing stuff for equipment. That hasn't changed ( go go balrons in hythloth lol)
So atleast on chessy people like me are in the minority, and majority rules in this case so I need to make way for the changes. They don't really affect me I just turn in bods in tram, malas, or tokuno now. Not a big deal, I just felt cool living in fel lol.
Btw I still go to fel dungeons mostly if im killing stuff for equipment. That hasn't changed ( go go balrons in hythloth lol)
Why, just because you say so? Pfft. I could have maintained respect for you if you had actually tried to make some points to counter mine. Do you understand what I'm trying to tell you about too many wolves killing off all the deer?
Did you ever realize why I, and many others, never bothered to do anything serious on Siege? Ponder that, then you'll see it's the same principle at play with VvV towns.
How unsurprising, a non-reply reply, all but admitting you can't refute what I've laid out. So just who is not being constructive, hmm? You keep gainsaying but saying NOTHING. Troll much?
The perm orange flagging was bad, but with the 8 hours time, it is not so bad, even when I do believe 8 hours are to much just for being in a town to long, they should have stayed with the 2 hours. The escape button do a big diff as the players now have time to get out. Also having a VvV in the guild do help, as you then will get the warnings in guild chat when a town become battle zone
You know the irony? I've probably done more VvV than all of them put together, and I'm not talking about leaving characters AFK in a quiet corner when mere occupying could gain silver. But I'm not pounding my chest to tell people "Stay out if you don't like it!"How about we stop trying to tell other players where they should live and play based on our silly notions of what is or isn't acceptable in Fel. Most of you seem more interested in scoring some super-funny snarky comebacks, insulting players who use non-VvV chars in Fel (oh the humanity!) and making yourselves and PvPers look as selfish and intolerant as you can. Talk about shooting yourselves in the foot. You think new players will see VvV telling players to leave or be flagged, then experience the lovely attitude in the PvP community that won't welcome outsiders, and still want to play with you? Good luck with that. I think you need a new PR team
Felucca never meant PvP everywhere. Outside towns, sure, there was the understanding that one could be attacked, but cities still remained safe (beyond two short-lived exceptions I've noted). Now blues have been driven from eight major cities, with a lot of bribe-taking NPCs I won't bother risking going to. Even on quiet Sonoma, I've seen others (or know someone was recently there) when running around bribing. I have to doubt whether VvV has brought more people to Felucca on net, because it's the same champ spawn crowd anyway, which would mean the population is less from bribing blues having given up on the cities.
Just because the revolver cylinder didn't hit a loaded chamber doesn't mean it won't happen to someone else.
In today's parlance, I might ask, "Do you even VvV, bro?" It's not merely a matter of having to leave for 20 minutes. I've made that quite clear.
Actually, it is. I'm sorry you're game time is ruined because you want your safety zone to remain safe but VvV takes priority over your wants and desires...la
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, Freja.
The "majority" all throughout history has supported things like slavery, Final Solution, and so on. Just because fifty percent plus one supports something does not make it right. What if half plus one of UO's population decided to redistribute the top gold holders' wealth, or make power scrolls drop at Trammel spawns?
And in this case, it's that a majority don't even care because they aren't enough into BOD bribing to check Felucca NPCs, but I am, and the changes impact me.
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