Agree... It should be optional.
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Agree.
Yes, both DURING and AFTER the fight, but NOT PRIOR to it...
So basically we are going to take away the fact that I need to cast paralyze to test if they have magic resist and now I can just look up an entire guild, familiarize myself with their templates and know EXACTLY what to do in game?
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and assume most of you don't pvp at all, because if you did you would see why this is such a blatant issue. There are templates out there right now that are hybrids and they are now fully exposed to everyone to go and copy. It's ok, you guys all enjoy free hand outs so I can see where this thread is going to go.
If they add gear into the mix this will be destructive.
I'm fine with an individual opt-in/out. We should have that choice.
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and assume most of you don't pvp at all, because if you did you would see why this is such a blatant issue. There are templates out there right now that are hybrids and they are now fully exposed to everyone to go and copy. It's ok, you guys all enjoy free hand outs so I can see where this thread is going to go.
If they add gear into the mix this will be destructive.
I'm fine with an individual opt-in/out. We should have that choice.
Don't guess I know how to use it, I cant select a shard for some reason 
i think it would work better the other way. how often do you just accidently type a . in the middle of an address? i can see many going to searchuo.com tho because of missing the . bad choice unless it was intentional. maybe mesanna owns both?
1) Who knows how up to date my uo will be.
2) Soulstone exist.... so I'm really still going to approach any given fight the Same way because you never know if they have resist till you check.
3) Your making a bigger deal out of it than it is... If the people you fight couldn't eyeball your temp Ready then I'm guessing they will end up at the 3rd party vendor search site...
2) Soulstone exist.... so I'm really still going to approach any given fight the Same way because you never know if they have resist till you check.
3) Your making a bigger deal out of it than it is... If the people you fight couldn't eyeball your temp Ready then I'm guessing they will end up at the 3rd party vendor search site...
Agree, Part of the fun of pvp is not knowing exactly what another character can do. I do love that's its back and running but would prefer not having people's entire template, skills, etc revealed. In the past I remember looking up enemies and guilds that gave me trouble and formulating strategies to beat them..... Please default it to top three skills, unmodified stats, unmodified total skill points, and guild average and VvV information with the option of allowing people to share their complete template, stats items, etc.
PS: I've always been curious about the rumor of bugged characters with 1000 of skill points, this will either put that to rest or reveal the truth
PS: I've always been curious about the rumor of bugged characters with 1000 of skill points, this will either put that to rest or reveal the truth
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The above part of your quote does not make sense to me. You're saying there is already a 3rd party site that has all of this information public?
This is a rather big deal seeing as how they are exposing things that some people would rather have kept private. Just sayin' there are those of us out there that enjoy strategy...because...well...it's what helps you win.
LoL. 17 years baby ..... If you only knew...... Anyway ....
"Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience."
Hmm. Resorting in name calling when your points become invalid and you have to resort in a vague answer that implies that you are some kind of legend? ROFL gtfoh.
I have to agree. To openly display certain information/stats, etc. should be a player's option and voluntary decision. For myself, however, I'm not too concerned. My favorite characters are wusses anyway. Folks may as well laugh at my characters' abilities (or lack of).
You actually read that as name calling? Maybe you need a double-take. Looks more like 17 years, baby. You know, yeah, baby, yeah! lol
Did you not see the bold part of the quote that I had to enlarge for others to actually be able to read? Look at his post and look at his childish antics...
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Sigh people worry about the strangest things. I think it's awesome. Feel free to check all my characters skills and stats. Don't laugh.
Nothing annoys me more than asking someone what template they are using and they don't want to tell you. Like it's some big federal secret. Give me a break.
Found a bug @Kyronix (are you the right guy?) some of my characters (who have had sex changes or not) are listed as "male" when all of my characters are female.
Also, along with the paperdoll can we get an alliance affiliation? Ohhh what about clothing items? That'd be cool too. I know some games are able to do it, that's why I ask.
Neato thank you for this.
Nothing annoys me more than asking someone what template they are using and they don't want to tell you. Like it's some big federal secret. Give me a break.
Found a bug @Kyronix (are you the right guy?) some of my characters (who have had sex changes or not) are listed as "male" when all of my characters are female.
Also, along with the paperdoll can we get an alliance affiliation? Ohhh what about clothing items? That'd be cool too. I know some games are able to do it, that's why I ask.
Neato thank you for this.
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LOL So the plan is to look up everyone's character you might run into that night on the new myuo search and what? Make post-it notes of players names and templates so you remember them all?
I like you startle but you are overreacting. No one I know has the time or desire to spend looking up everyone they might run into... Also, you have no idea if the character has used soulstones since the last save anyway.
Total waste of time, just get out on the field and play.
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I think the help outweighs the pvp issues on this one.
Think of how helpful it will be for new players to be able to see how people use different skills in different ways.
As I said earlier, it is less likely a pvper is going to examine all his foes skills and stats before entering the battle every day (or however often it will be updated) and far more likely that newer players, or players returning to the game will find this function EXTREMELY helpful in finding skill templates that work well together in a game that is like no other.
Changes nothing in the context of that statement as far as I'm concerned.
Anyhow, don't let the beta version cream your corn (unless you like creamed corn). I'm sure your feedback has been caught and they will probably adjust it.
In the meantime, I just couldn't resist. And no, it's not meant as offense
Meh..... Ok you go ahead and try to prove that reasonably determining wth someone is running as a template is a difficult thing ok? I at least realized that it's not worth putting in the time and effort bc realistically this post on stratics isn't Likely to change a thing. It just amuses me that you feel that the people that have potentially been playing this game for 17 years don't fully understand it... or heck even simply have 1 person in vent with them that does and can explain.... Do you really build PvP templates that somehow break and become less effective if people understand them? I always found fighting someone the most educating thing... I could care less if they eyeball my specifics bc like you said it's the tactics that matter.... A unique build spills the beans as soon as it's used...
I think I´m gonna have to go with the OP on this one.
I don´t see any real reason why every skill and stat value should be displayed for everyone to see. Top three skills are enough to get a feel for a character what kind of template it might be.
Even though most skill combinations probably already have been tested I´m sure there are some people that run unique templates in one way or another that gives them a strategic advantage on the field in some way and to expose that strategy doesn´t seem fair to be honest. At the very least, make it optional as someone mentioned.
As for the URL, I don´t like it either because of reasons already stated above. Perhaps searchmyuo.com would be a better alternative?
I don´t see any real reason why every skill and stat value should be displayed for everyone to see. Top three skills are enough to get a feel for a character what kind of template it might be.
Even though most skill combinations probably already have been tested I´m sure there are some people that run unique templates in one way or another that gives them a strategic advantage on the field in some way and to expose that strategy doesn´t seem fair to be honest. At the very least, make it optional as someone mentioned.
As for the URL, I don´t like it either because of reasons already stated above. Perhaps searchmyuo.com would be a better alternative?
There are a handful of skills used in PVP. In each of those the minimum skill requirements to achieve the maximum effect (100% casting, cap AI damage, lethal poison, etc) are all public knowledge. What skills someone has and the tactics you should use are apparent in the first few moments of a fight. The only time your opponent(s) have an 'advantage' by not having their skills listed is the very first time you encounter them.
I don't normally hand out info on this unheard of and seldom used feature of UO, but I like you. There's a thing called a 'paperdoll' when you double click on someone a screen pops up showing all their equipped gear. Pretty sweet no?
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I will never understand the folks here. Never. Maybe they are all nerds or geeks or there are cultural differences between countries. No idea. I have no plausible working assumption. For me, the situation looks alike:
(1) We had MyUO
(2) It was shut down
(3) Everybody complained: "See, the end of UO is coming", "We need MyUO", "Please, bring it back". Hundreds of posts full of whining.
(4) The years passed, nothing happened. Every now and then people complained: "We are missing MyUO, Mesanna!Bring is back"
(5) Now, they are bringing it back
(6) It´s a beta
(7) We appear to get back what we once had
And the whinging begins again...
I am beginning to believe that the problem is me. I am just to naive or to dumb for this forum. Or maybe just to content or comfortable. Nothing disturbs me, I am missing nothing, I am not feeling any pain, and I am happy about the fact that this "dead" game still lives and gets new / old / missed features (back).
So, it is quite obvious: I am insane. And all the whiners and complainers and doomsdayers are right. I truely hope that these guys are not representative for the real world, cause I have never seen an online community with such a trend towards self-destruction and apocalyptic enjoyment...
This publish is great! The new features are great. Have some patience and behave like mature people.
I will never understand the folks here. Never. Maybe they are all nerds or geeks or there are cultural differences between countries. No idea. I have no plausible working assumption. For me, the situation looks alike:
(1) We had MyUO
(2) It was shut down
(3) Everybody complained: "See, the end of UO is coming", "We need MyUO", "Please, bring it back". Hundreds of posts full of whining.
(4) The years passed, nothing happened. Every now and then people complained: "We are missing MyUO, Mesanna!Bring is back"
(5) Now, they are bringing it back
(6) It´s a beta
(7) We appear to get back what we once had
And the whinging begins again...
I am beginning to believe that the problem is me. I am just to naive or to dumb for this forum. Or maybe just to content or comfortable. Nothing disturbs me, I am missing nothing, I am not feeling any pain, and I am happy about the fact that this "dead" game still lives and gets new / old / missed features (back).
So, it is quite obvious: I am insane. And all the whiners and complainers and doomsdayers are right. I truely hope that these guys are not representative for the real world, cause I have never seen an online community with such a trend towards self-destruction and apocalyptic enjoyment...
This publish is great! The new features are great. Have some patience and behave like mature people.
A signature that isn't in every single one of his posts? Strange, no?
I don't know about you, but the pvp community is rather small and you see the same 20-30 people every day. It's not hard to go and see what exactly they are running and what would be most useful against them. One might not have resist according to MyUO, and now I know I can para spam him and he will either get synch dumped by my guildies or die by his own trap box. Tomorrow rinse and repeat, should he swap skills I'll just hop on MyUO and see what he changed. Why? So I know what to do next time...
I feel as though all you critics don't have pvp foremost in your gameplay which is fine, but ya'll don't need to come here being total ***holes
In regards to your smart ass comment about Paper Dolls, you can rarely get a glimpse at their Jewels, Tunic or Sleeves.
Simply put, Yes.
Yea cause NO ONE cares about pvp. I don't sit and hijack PvM discussions or Deco considerations even though I think a lot of them are completely lame. It's not my place and it really does not AFFECT me.
If you even had the slightest desire to win, or even at best remain competitive you absolutely would. I have already looked up all of the mages and dexers that I respect to see what they are running. And TBH it's not fair to them that I know their exact template and stats...
Agreed.
Well...... I said prove and though your allowed your opinion I disagree. Easier to just disagree..... it does blow my mind a bit that you've used the para example multiple times as a case where the NEW MY UO gives an advantage. I mean was the 1.5 seconds it takes to TEST if they had resist too hard? Heck you even implied group combat so that's 1 1.5 sec spell for how many people. Oh yea HUGE advantage not having to do that...... I will say that the one thing I've used MY UO for so far was to check if Lynks omen nerve DS omen char had SS on it. I'm surprised it didn't bc I could fit a good amount if I built that temp.... Anyway no game breaking info.... I just didn't have a GL PvP'er to see him in action to notice a SS as a healing source..... MY UO no big deal.
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In regards to the skill listing issue.
Personally I do not see this as a big issue.
There are more than enough pvp professionals answering questions about templates on the boards. Everything from what skill levels should be to what suits to wear in order to maximize your play style.
I guess someone very serious about their pvp game might research the lay of the land in their fight.
The average pvper I think is more there for the spontaneous fun and wouldn't take the time to research it.
I think the best route is an opt out for those who prefer to keep their skills private.
This is beta mode so let's keep it Mello and provide feedback as to what we would like to see as requested
Personally I do not see this as a big issue.
There are more than enough pvp professionals answering questions about templates on the boards. Everything from what skill levels should be to what suits to wear in order to maximize your play style.
I guess someone very serious about their pvp game might research the lay of the land in their fight.
The average pvper I think is more there for the spontaneous fun and wouldn't take the time to research it.
I think the best route is an opt out for those who prefer to keep their skills private.
This is beta mode so let's keep it Mello and provide feedback as to what we would like to see as requested
The only thing I do not like about this is for people who play secret thieves. We come off as having a completely normal template, but secretly we have 120 stealing for the right occasions.
In your guilds, ressing your ghosts and stealing your loots.
But this is a great addition imo
In your guilds, ressing your ghosts and stealing your loots.
But this is a great addition imo
I am devastated. Now everyone can see I am not a real Legendary Tamer but only a wimp with 85 skill and everyone now knows I am using skill jewelry.
My banksitting friends will sooooo laugh at me. This totally kills my roleplaying. Better sign up for VvV and find some new friends.
My banksitting friends will sooooo laugh at me. This totally kills my roleplaying. Better sign up for VvV and find some new friends.
Knowing your foes stats would be part of strategy... If you want to get real crafty you could swap skills out before server down so MYUO would have different skills... of course after 2 minutes of pvp you will probably generally know what skills people have either way...
Honestly I don't think many people are going to be checking every person they know on a daily basis, so it's probably not something you need to worry about.
Are you using IE11? Try Google ChromeDon't guess I know how to use it, I cant select a shard for some reason
Gotta agree with the OP to some extent.
Best way would probably be to make it optional to show your stats and skills.
If I remember correctly, the old myUO only showed the skills and if the character is grandmaster but not the exact amount of skillpoints.
Best way would probably be to make it optional to show your stats and skills.
If I remember correctly, the old myUO only showed the skills and if the character is grandmaster but not the exact amount of skillpoints.
You asked for myuo back,that's what you've got. This is exactly what it showed before - it doesn't give a true reflection of your character's abilityies, none of the skill points you may have on items are shown. None of the bonuses, none of the regens.
Also remember this is incomplete, it's Beta.
Also remember this is incomplete, it's Beta.
Glad its back and running but the new MYUO shows more then before. Some people like that, others don't. Its in beta and people are giving constructive feedback based on past experience and play style. If they can let players determine access level of full (new style) or minimal (old style) it would prob make everyone happy. If that's not possible, I think most people will be happy that its back up and running.
It is responding very fast and I hope there will be lots more to come. I really favor the idea that you can opt-out for at least some of the details. This way it should be good for everyone (maybe add a mass-opt-out for those who own 20 accounts and have characters on 26 shards! Important!)
I was not very pleased with some of the recent developments.
But so far there are some tendencies that are worth mentioning:
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By the way, is it possible to lock down advisors in your house? I'd like to have one permanently available.
I was not very pleased with some of the recent developments.
But so far there are some tendencies that are worth mentioning:
- List of changes in latest publish is quite long.
- There are complaints, yes, but I think noone lost his or her house yet. Seems like bug ratio is good enough.
- They accomplished several things lately all at the same time: trade orders, new cleanup stuff (and some good ones!), meeting with Lord British and Blackthorn, VvV replacing factions.
- MyUO reintroduced.
- Advisors.
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By the way, is it possible to lock down advisors in your house? I'd like to have one permanently available.
Yes it is Beta.... Please make that part of it - optional.
I would also prefer optional. while other games do all have similar sites where you can look up a player, skills trees in other games are also all generally the same. OP is correct, 5 skill points here and there is what makes a template. yes someone can figure it out, but it might take a month of testing. We have enough "easy buttons" -- copycat templates shouldnt be one of them.
and yes, to the majority of players with basic templates it really wouldnt matter. no one is going to look up an abc archer or weaver tamer.
lets keep in mind that even tho a population is a minority their rights are still important no matter if most people dont care. Just look at the majority of laws on the books regarding real life minority groups.
and yes, to the majority of players with basic templates it really wouldnt matter. no one is going to look up an abc archer or weaver tamer.
lets keep in mind that even tho a population is a minority their rights are still important no matter if most people dont care. Just look at the majority of laws on the books regarding real life minority groups.
I don't pvp so this is only idle thought...
Others seeing yr template is only a problem for the uber pvp'ers ?
The data on MyUO will only update at server up or some other predictable time?
Top class pvp'ers take every oppertunity to get an advantage on their opponents?
Would they not welcome the chance to log out after changing skills with soul stones thus leaving 'misleading' data on MyUo?
As I say just a thought
Others seeing yr template is only a problem for the uber pvp'ers ?
The data on MyUO will only update at server up or some other predictable time?
Top class pvp'ers take every oppertunity to get an advantage on their opponents?
Would they not welcome the chance to log out after changing skills with soul stones thus leaving 'misleading' data on MyUo?
As I say just a thought
I always used the Stratics Class Forums for starting out with my build combination work, as it has plenty of resourceful information regarding templates. Whether a PvP'r, PvM'r, or whatever that defines you as a player, doesn't classify terms for just cause to care about ones privacy in any manor, other than your own personal interest. I do not want my characters statistics/stats/skills/kills/last played, or anything else listed on MYUO visible, as it is NOBODIES BUSINESS to know any such info about my characters except for myself. Maybe you may not feel the same way about your privacy, & if so then nothing has changed for you regardless. All that matters is there are some that do care, & that is warrant enough to give players the freedom to toggle a privacy setting on or off on their own behalf (instead of the system auto toggling). I furthermore ask the Broadsword Devs for an OPTIONAL PRIVACY SETTING with MYUO. Pretty please with sugar on top.:bowdown:
IMO i wish the skills were not shown in exact numbers. There are a lot of templates people work hard to get exactly right and for someone to be able to watch someone play and then be able to search that character and steal his template takes a lot of fun out of the sandbox.
I dont see it being a problem for your everyday template, but i can see why some PvPers, Idocers, and other Fel going people would be disgruntled by this.
If anything having the exact numbers shown discourages in game communication, i no longer have to start up a conversation to figure out what template someone is running. I simply search myuo instead of having to actually talk to someone in game.
A compromise? just list the skills that are above 40 and dont show the exact number. Probably less work for the coding that way anyways.
Having myUO back is awesome, some are just not happy with the way its coming back.
No Biggie either way, just another thing to adapt too.
I dont see it being a problem for your everyday template, but i can see why some PvPers, Idocers, and other Fel going people would be disgruntled by this.
If anything having the exact numbers shown discourages in game communication, i no longer have to start up a conversation to figure out what template someone is running. I simply search myuo instead of having to actually talk to someone in game.
A compromise? just list the skills that are above 40 and dont show the exact number. Probably less work for the coding that way anyways.
Having myUO back is awesome, some are just not happy with the way its coming back.
No Biggie either way, just another thing to adapt too.
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