Merv I have 3 red chars i play over 2 accounts, but a also have 11 blue chars that live and play in fel without having to go red.
Anyone who doesn't want the risks associated with Fel has the Tram version to play with. All I want is the Fel option so I can take those risks and play on my facet of choice. I don't want any players feeling bad because they got PKd and didn't like it. EMs will probably always favour Tram, I accept that and don't want them doubling their workload to always cater to Fel. But storyline arcs and quests can certainly be mirrored in Fel and should be. It's not all about the EM stuff.
Sometimes PvPers block areas with fields, but not always. Some areas aren't suited to that. Other times escape is blocked. You fight and win or lose. I still get out enough times to have fun. It's not as if you can't die in Tram events. Lag has killed me more than any zerg of PvPers ever will.
And they are antiquated rules from over a decade ago. The game has changed so much since then, just as the people who play it have gotten older. Sure, there are undoubtedly still those who hang onto the "KILL THE MURDERER" mentality, which is ridiculous.
Your advice is give up on the game?
Umm.... no, I think it's more of the "KILL THE MURDERER BEFORE HE/SHE KILLS ME" type mentality.
The game may have had additions to it to it over the years, and I have actively played for 14 of them. The punishment for being a Murder has also changed and eased over the years. I have 3 red characters and I know the rules of the game and enjoy them the way they are.
Works for me 2!
All I can say is, good luck finding others who'd prefer to join you instead of doing a Tram event. It's almost always a guarantee that Fel events will be crashed, and of course most players don't want that. So it's not just probable that almost all events will continue to be in Tram, but that they should be.
If it's a forest or other open area, non-PvP chars have a chance to recall/run. But dungeons, as you mentioned, are very easy for event crashers to take control of. Most players don't want to be fish in a barrel, especially when a PK attacks only when a target dips below half life. At least in a non-Fel event, you can run off somewhere and get ressed. And I hardly ever lag.
Not necessarily. I, for one, can PvM just fine on a PvP character, just as I can PvP perfectly well on a tamer. It may take a lot more effort for my Red to do so compared to, say, a tamer (i.e. I can't just stand there and heal while my pets do all the work), but it's not any different. Apparently we have slightly different ideas of PvM, not that there's a problem there - sure, I may not be able to get the best drops because I'm not wearing luck, but for killing monsters, a PvP-oriented suit more than suffices: direct damage, summons, using the dungeon layout, etc.
Touché. hahaha. As I said before, I'm not that type of player, unless it was a spawn, which is why I ended up going Red in the first place (though killing people at Spawns isn't what made me perma.) If you attack me, I fight back.Umm.... no, I think it's more of the "KILL THE MURDERER BEFORE HE/SHE KILLS ME" type mentality.
Seriously though, I like the toggle PvP allowed deal someone mentioned earlier and letting reds hit tram. If they could get it to where it is something that can never be gotten around. I mean heck, there have got to be times to where even a red just wants to hang out and not get attacked at all lol. Leave Fel as it is, give tram a toggle let the reds roam where they wanna. Would be strange and cool to see some of them roaming Ilsh
Nobody's saying to give up on the game. But you're the one who wants the Devs to cater to a very small percentage of the population, not those who have at least one red character, but who don't have any blues at all.
Because people don't want to go through an entire event, then get ganked by, for example, a bunch of noob stealth archers. As I replied to Wenchkin, my big problem is that PvM chars can't stand up to PvP characters. PvMers might not die, but they're going to have to flee.
You're not going to be as effective as a character oriented toward PvM, particularly a sampire, so you won't do as much damage and won't get the best drops.
I play mages almost exclusively (I have dabbled on a Bushido/Chiv Dexer for PvM as well, but I didn't like it as much.) It's not hard to switch for a mage to switch between PvM & PvP if every mod on your suit's geared for PvP (which is not difficult to do.)
Apparently that guy didn't. hahaha. It was quite a while ago though - I think this might have happened in 2005? Either way, pets or not, my tamer's not going to go down quietly, unless you keep paralyzing me (which, as you're well aware, is a death sentence on someone with no resist), though there are ways around that...and from what I've been able to see on TC1 (which, granted, is not representative of the PvP playerbase as a whole), the use of the Paralyze spell is a lost art.
I'm not sure its worth discussing this any further with you as you seam hell bent on not reading whats been said.
Actually very few people who play reds are like that, unless they want to go blue and let someone else attack first. If I see a blue person in Fel, odds are it's not someone who will attack me on a whim or "just because." If I see a red person in Fel, odds are very good that it's a person with no compunction about attacking for little or no reason.
Then perhaps you shouldn't have been the aggressor so many times. And why did you keep going back? You could have probably gone to Serpent's Hold, Ocllo, even East Brit Bank and not met a soul. I'd have suggested the Buc's Den bank, but then you might have been attacked by your fellow reds also using it.
Then perhaps you really, really shouldn't have been the aggressor so many times, don't you think? And don't you think reds have done that themselves? Ganking isn't exclusive to blues.
I've gone on a battle mage, and I just don't do the damage others do, no matter that I'll target the weakest resist. So in the end it doesn't matter: I won't get a drop because a non-combat PvM char will get killed, or I won't get a drop because my PvP char does a fraction of the damage of the sampires and tamers I'm defending.
For killing a PvM char solo, it's indispensable, though my PvM chars carry trapped crates and a few other surprises when they're in Fel.
But surviving and killing everything isn't enough. I'm not going there if the result is the same as standing around on a stealther.
Well I'd never argue that events shouldn't happen in Tram, only that devs remember to cater to Fel when it's practical to do so. Again, I'm not demanding all the EMs flock to Fel. I just want to see at least the story arc and quest spawns duplicated in Fel and Tram so we can choose. If EMs can do events in Fel too, that's great. Some do manage it and we have players attending and having fun. Other times it goes crazy. But it goes crazy in Tram too at times.
Well I've never supported the no recall or champ stuff in Fel since they arrived heh. But this is what I mean by not going to Fel if you're not comfortable with it. I understand it doesn't appeal to all. I don't like that feeling either, but I won't let it stop me using Fel, especially when Tram events bring out the worst players in bulk. I just adapted my tactics and it worked out better than I expected it to. When the choice is there it means we can spread ourselves out a bit to reduce the crowds and enjoy different playstyles/challenges if we want. And it just seems silly when you go to a city and it's totally untouched by an invasion while it's devastated in Tram. When I had more time I ran a RP village in Fel, we'd get all ready to go to sort out these local invaders and doh! Tram only. Then the next story would hit and you'd run into town and the spawn was in Fel. Or right outside your doorstep when you didn't expect it lol. It's frustrating when this inconsistency continues for years and the content could have been put in Fel.If it's a forest or other open area, non-PvP chars have a chance to recall/run. But dungeons, as you mentioned, are very easy for event crashers to take control of. Most players don't want to be fish in a barrel, especially when a PK attacks only when a target dips below half life. At least in a non-Fel event, you can run off somewhere and get ressed. And I hardly ever lag.
Agreed. It's all about efficiency. There are things a tamer or sampire can do better than a mage, unquestionably. Need to kill 5 Dragons in the Cold Blood spawn? Send in a tamer (the sampire probably has no issues either, but I've never been comfortable on melee characters, as I said before.) Need to kill a huge crowd quickly? Sampire or Mage. The game's always had that rock/paper/scissors relationship though - in Doom, Dexers outdamage tamers, who outdamage mages...and just because you can do it (i.e. soloing a Champ Spawn in its entirety, or having a Greater Dragon go toe to toe with "The Burning" guys in Shame) doesn't mean you should, because they take forever. It's just not practical.
Can't count how many times this has happened to me. They attack (especially when you're already fighting), but as soon as you start dumping on them? They run back to the guardzone - you may be able to go in there freely if you're not flagged as the aggressor, but you can be sure there are at least 5 other blues sitting there who would just LOVE the opportunity to help him kill you.
Considering how Fel events get crashed and that the behavior is unlikely to change, I don't see why any EM should take time to host any events at all, duplicated or unique. Now I could go for ongoing events, like monsters and NPCs, if those aren't too much work to duplicate. As long as reds have their own sandboxes to play in, and can receive back what they give, I can live with that. It would be nice to see genuine "antis" and not just opportunists.
Lets get some FACTS straight first.
Enough said...
Yup. I don't recall seeing Mervyn on Europa for Age of Shadows, at least not under that forum name, and there wasn't global chat to unfortunately introduce us back then, so I wouldn't impute any particular position to him on that; Maybe he does want true equality. But at the time, Power scrolls weren't just some new thing, but were the core of the entire game as experienced. That was how you were to expand your characters to cope with the new content, and some of it actually was the new content itself, namely the champion spawn, and beyond that, the Harrower. But the result was intense resentment that it was being controlled by PvPers, and and that you not only had to PvP but also change mindset too, think in terms of exploits and take advantage of them... It was this attempt to bring back Felucca via the backdoor by gating off content too it, combined with the ill fitting stats-madness attempts to make a Diablo clone that really started the downfall of UO.
I don't know what it was like on other servers, but the PvP guilds on Lake Superior distributed the scrolls they no longer had need for (i.e 120 Magery after everyone in the guilds consumed them), just as they did for the Doom Gauntlet Arties (veteran players will likely recognize the name Danger Powers, who usually grabbed the Inquisitor's every month. I don't know what other shards he was active on in terms of selling though.) I would not doubt that scrolls from that era are still in circulation, but Spawns are far easier to do these days, depending on the shard.
