I don't see how that second part means a classic shard shard...these two lines are confusing to me (in a speculation point of view)
"our focus is to improve the existing game"
okay, so no Classic shard is what that means.
"focused on improving the game for everyone"
okay, so we get a classic shard.
*head explodes*
Looks like it.So are we waiting til next week again?
I don't see how that second part means a classic shard shard...
Not everyone wants a classic shard.
Feb 28th is when the gamecodes specials is over. March 1st we see the video. So it has been said...
---phantstradamus
Or satisfy any one of the multiple wants that normal people have. Because people are more complex than just wanting Specific Cake or No Cake; they may be satisfied with Orange Cake if they can't have Blue. And crumpets if there's no cake at all. And do things other than just eat at other times.let's say I'm teaching a class, 12 of my students wants green cupcakes. 3 want blue, and the other 7 want red.
now to please everyone I bring in red, green and blue cupcakes.
that's what I mean. Not everyone wants to keep UO the way it is, so by your logic that means they will shut down the current UO also
I simply mean to please everyone you must do exactly that, cater to the needs of the multiple wants.
But I would say that, because I "hate and fear" people calling for a "Classic" shard. And "Classic" is by it's definition "Better", isn't it?!An overarching principle of cognitive dissonance is that it involves the formation of an idea or emotion in conflict with a fundamental element of the self-concept, such as "I am a successful/functional person", "I am a good person", or "I made the right decision." The anxiety that comes with the possibility of having made a bad decision can lead to rationalization, the tendency to create additional reasons or justifications to support one's choices. A person who just spent too much money on a new car might decide that the new vehicle is much less likely to break down than his or her old car. This belief may or may not be true, but it would reduce dissonance and make the person feel better. Dissonance can also lead to confirmation bias, the denial of dis-confirming evidence, and other ego defense mechanisms.
Just had to say this: Excellent assessment!...except for the insane monomaniacs that have been going on and on and on about a Classic shard and nothing else. The kind of people who not only don't listen to reason but will actually pay money for a game they hate, in the hopes that the clock will get miraculously turned back, even though it's not physically possible to do it any more. And by that I mean, you can't make people eat cake, that they know they don't like, when they've discovered a hundred bakers that will cook crumpets they could be eating now instead.
Such minds are beyond any rational person's understanding, and I rather doubt any such statement was made with that kind of mindset in mind.
I think that would depend entirely upon whom you were to ask.And "Classic" is by it's definition "Better", isn't it?!
"A carrot dangler is someone who promises something—to help you out, to give you something, to introduce you to someone, or whatever—and never comes through. When you try to collect on the promise, there is always some reason why they can't give it to you right then, though they tell you they will do it another time. But when "another time" comes along, that isn't a good time either, and so it goes, until you give up on that carrot, and then they start to dangle another carrot."Since yet another week has rolled by without the video, I think the idea that PR is still holding things up is what stinks. As in its a line of bull.
A PR department, unless its brain dead, would bend over backwards to make sure its products are seen in the best light possible. They wouldn't hold things up for 18+ days for phantom footage ...
Game footage could be acquired in minutes. Rather high-quality footage is frequently provided right here on Stratics using Fraps.
Blah, blah blah...
The point is, that calling everyone that likes one or more of these things over the others, things like "irrational", "warpped", "insane", "ridiculous" is just...well, narrow minded.
when you look at a cloud you see what you want to see.
Well, there's a reason EVE has gained subscribers over the years while UO has only managed to lose theirs...What will a video show which can't be just as easily conveyed with text and pictures? It is a lot of unnecessary work and is delaying an update we could have gotten weeks ago. We don't even get good text updates and they decide to try and do video. Other games get regular blogs about the game. Eve Online gets blog updates every couple days that we are lucky to see two or three times per year.
What will a video show which can't be just as easily conveyed with text and pictures? It is a lot of unnecessary work and is delaying an update we could have gotten weeks ago. We don't even get good text updates and they decide to try and do video. Other games get regular blogs about the game. Eve Online gets blog updates every couple days that we are lucky to see two or three times per year.
You realize, by breaking RoC Rule B (since even something as vague as what you said has been construed as such before) you risk the nice little 'S' by your name, right? Might want to consider that before blanket labeling anyone who disagrees with you a "moron."I am rather salty that no matter when anyone says "hey, a classic shard would be cool" you get a billion morons coming out of the woodwork trying to rip you a new one just because you like classic UO... It gets old fast people.
Lots of us 'old school' players still exist. Many of us recognize the fact that pre-Trammel days kinda sucked for anyone who wasn't heavy into PvP. So before you go slinging around hyperbole, please recognize the fact that not everyone who played back then liked many of the mechanics you all seem to pine for (and are at least relatively happy with the UO of today).Do people forget the only reason they are playing this game that they enjoy is because of us old school players?
That would be Draconi, he was lead developer till just after SA, pretty much the only one most 'modern' players are likely to remember. Starr Long exited so long ago that only people *actually* playing then remember his influence. Its too bad his version of UO2 tanked, that was a true tragedy.p.s. whoever said something about the most respected Dev/producer/whatever. Dunno who you're talking about, but Starr was my most respected.
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I'm not going to sit here and argue about classic VS WoW clone UO (remember kids, the guy who made AoS is the lead producer of WoW).
Correllation/Causation error here.
AOS released WELL before WoW (if I remember correctly it was about the time the very first WoW video cropped up on the net). Just because a former UO Dev now leads WoW doesn't mean that AOS (or anything that came after) and WoW had ANYTHING to do with each other.
You correllate the two, but one did not cause the other in the manner you suggest.
1st - Please show me any post by myself that has claimed that there are "thousands waiting in the shadows to populate a classic shard".You all ignore facts, ‘hard evidence,’ things stated by the producer and 'the single most respected ex-Dev Team member ever' because they don't suit your cause. In return, you all spout ridiculous claims about "thousands" waiting in the shadows to populate a classic shard.
You will get no argument from me there. I never said they could. However, neither can any claim that former players will not come back.These are claims that cannot be backed up in any form.
Nice mis-quote. I said AS DESIGNEDYou all also come say that 'classic UO' was the way it was meant to be
A position I have espoused since before you were playing UO.and the lack of any meaningful 'player justice' was a complete failure
Never claimed otherwise.A classic shard won't magically bring that back, in fact chances are it will only dilute things further
Untrue. There are other options.As much as you may dislike it, Siege is the closest thing to "classic" you are likely to get.
Awesome!
I'll let you watch all the interviews to sort the rest out.
Awesome!
So where are the links?
How is that different that you labeling anyone who disagrees with you as "ridiculous"?You realize, by breaking RoC Rule B (since even something as vague as what you said has been construed as such before) you risk the nice little 'S' by your name, right? Might want to consider that before blanket labeling anyone who disagrees with you a "moron."
Pot, meet Kettle...In return, you all spout ridiculous claims
...the fact that pre-Trammel days kinda sucked for anyone who wasn't heavy into PvP.
Pot, meet Kettle...again.So before you go slinging around hyperbole
I would merely like to point out that he (or any other Classic Shard supporter) is not actively seeking to prevent you from playing the style and enjoying the mechanics you seem to enjoy.please recognize the fact that not everyone who played back then liked many of the mechanics you all seem to pine for
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AOS is more Diablo than WoW... BY FAR, and I believe that is what was admitted. The WoW comparisons only came into play with the new UI in KR/EC (which is also a faulty comparison because the UI is more of a standard newer client UI that is used across the MMO spectrum, and KR/EC's UI was MUCH more powerful than WoW's right out of the box.
Besides... what has WoW done that's original to itself that others have ripped off anyway? Even Warcraft as an IP premise is a ripoff of Warhammer.
I played UO since 97.. quit for abit went to WoW played it for maybe 2 years, and it got boring as all hell, all in all I'd say UO is actually alot better and way more to do. They have put alot more effort into UO then WoW when it comes to game content, although WoW wins on the graphics... but who cares about those?no no, I'M not saying WoW was the first. I'm saying when Tom saw WoW for the first time he "knew" it was going to be the best MMO (keep in mind he knew about WoW before it was pushed to the public), so UO had to be updated to compete with it.
Even WoW players hate the guy, trust me, he's a nut-job. I'm just telling you why AoS was a crazy as it was. UO needed to rival and beat WoW in his mind.
it didn't, plus he jumped ship and took the lead designer spot with Blizz. He wanted a game 'like' WoW, when UO failed to give him that, he ditched us and ran to Blizz.
so in a twisted way UO was a WoW clone even before the fact.
I agree with you there for sure. And that's why people on these forums are still stuck with me *rubs hands together and laughs like a madman*I played UO since 97.. quit for abit went to WoW played it for maybe 2 years, and it got boring as all hell, all in all I'd say UO is actually alot better and way more to do. They have put alot more effort into UO then WoW when it comes to game content, although WoW wins on the graphics... but who cares about those?
Wait... so you bring up that we need to see these videos to find out you are telling the alleged truth, but then you don't even bother to have them ready to back up your claims?google it, I shouldn't have to because you're lazy
just make sure you find the 1,000+ thread on the WoW forums too, that links to MANY things about him too.
Based on the sales of high-end video cards, I'd say the majority of gamers place a high priority on graphics.WoW wins on the graphics... but who cares about those?
Wait... so you bring up that we need to see these videos to find out you are telling the alleged truth, but then you don't even bother to have them ready to back up your claims?
Uhhh... ok. So, basically, you have no clue what you are actually talking about and making up your own facts. Gotcha.
I don't think there is nearly as much question about which version is wanted, that's just a red herring...so much as there is about whether or not there is money in the budget to pull it off.I should be able to say "Boy I am shocked at the lack of CS" but 11 yrs later the game itself has lost its true form which I dont even think the "classic" idea could ever bring it back. Thats even if anyone could A. Find the code and B. Agree on what version they want.
Even with me supporting a classic shard this thread and argument are becoming a daily joke.
And EA mythic wins again, makes us look like fools, they wont even give us a time line, its turned once again moderators vs. idealist (I use this term lightly) to warn people for at times condescending text and tone.
I should be able to say "Boy I am shocked at the lack of CS" but 11 yrs later the game itself has lost its true form which I dont even think the "classic" idea could ever bring it back. Thats even if anyone could A. Find the code and B. Agree on what version they want.
Here is what you said, exactly:"You realize, by breaking RoC Rule B (since even something as vague as what you said has been construed as such before) you risk the nice little 'S' by your name, right? Might want to consider that before blanket labeling anyone who disagrees with you a "moron.""
anyone who wants to label themselves as a moron, then complain to a stratics mod would be rather silly
I did not say everyone who is anti-classic is a moron, I simply said it attracts many morons. buuuut, it people really wanna take it that far. guess I'll change it
You didn't differentiate between morons and "non-moron 'anti-classic sharders'." You made a rather blanket statement. You may have meant what you said above, but its not what you actually stated. You 'work' for Stratics, I 'worked' for Stratics. We both know the rather lock-step mentality being employed here. Just phrase things more carefuly in the future.I am rather salty that no matter when anyone says "hey, a classic shard would be cool" you get a billion morons coming out of the woodwork trying to rip you a new one just because you like classic UO... It gets old fast people.
Good.I'm fine with tram.
Going to giggle here. While 'pre-AoS' might have been "agreed" on by the few people on Stratics, that doesn't mean it was agreed on in any meaningful way. Unless the Devs actually participate in a conversation, nothing has been "agreed on." While yes, I believe that a classic shard is pre-AoS, I would have to continue on to say that it is pre-Pub 16. Now, does that opinion really matter? No, notsomuch."classic shard" has been taken as anything pre AoS. That was the vote, and that's what I mean when I speak of it.
I hated hally mages, stealth home invasions, stacked reggies to form stairs into my house, mad server lag, too many true return home bugs, many more dupes ect ect.
however, all I care about is no item stats. And that's the discussion now.
classic: anything pre AoS
anti-classic : want item stats
unless there was a new thread landing on a different meaning, I'm going to keep rolling with what was agreed on.
Really? Have you played the last like 6 years? At. All? This is kinda like saying you didn't know that the sky was blue or that water was wet...."That would be Draconi, he was lead developer till just after SA, pretty much the only one most 'modern' players are likely to remember. Starr Long exited so long ago that only people *actually* playing then remember his influence. Its too bad his version of UO2 tanked, that was a true tragedy. "
I don't know much about Draconi, I just know Starr was amazing. heh
I still think there should be a UO2.4! grrr
You realize, by breaking RoC Rule B (since even something as vague as what you said has been construed as such before) you risk the nice little 'S' by your name, right? Might want to consider that before blanket labeling anyone who disagrees with you a "moron."
How is that different that you labeling anyone who disagrees with you as "ridiculous"?
In return, you all spout ridiculous claims
Pot, meet Kettle...
the fact that pre-Trammel days kinda sucked for anyone who wasn't heavy into PvP.
please recognize the fact that not everyone who played back then liked many of the mechanics you all seem to pine for
I would merely like to point out that he (or any other Classic Shard supporter) is not actively seeking to prevent you from playing the style and enjoying the mechanics you seem to enjoy.
You made a rather blanket statement. You may have meant what you said above, but its not what you actually stated. You 'work' for Stratics, I 'worked' for Stratics. We both know the rather lock-step mentality being employed here. Just phrase things more carefuly in the future.
Good.
what i mean by that is the 'collective' agreement made by the players in the 3 or so looong threads. Including the sticky that was up for a while.Going to giggle here. While 'pre-AoS' might have been "agreed" on by the few people on Stratics, that doesn't mean it was agreed on in any meaningful way. Unless the Devs actually participate in a conversation, nothing has been "agreed on." While yes, I believe that a classic shard is pre-AoS, I would have to continue on to say that it is pre-Pub 16. Now, does that opinion really matter? No, notsomuch.
Until the Devs start posting their own polls and start collecting real data, nothing has been agreed on past the 'in theory' level.
Really? Have you played the last like 6 years? At. All? This is kinda like saying you didn't know that the sky was blue or that water was wet....
*snickers*Based on the sales of high-end video cards, I'd say the majority of gamers place a high priority on graphics.
*Disclaimer: No, Martyna Zmuir, I do not have exact numbers to back up that claim/opinion, so please do not bother with the multi-font/multi-color rant asking for them.
*snickers*
Actually, I agree with you about graphics. They do matter.
Multi-font is my Word being temperamental with the editing... I likes Calibri regardless of what I tell it. Multi-color? Me? Not so much.
Love your thinly veiled personal attacks.. They bring out the red in your eyes.It is pretty obvious that the video is meant to be a spin job, aimed at quelling the backlash that will follow the announcement. It will fail however. The people that want a classic shard don't want the current game plus a video full of excuses...they want a classic shard. When they don't get it, accounts will be cancelled.
*Disclaimer: No, Martyna Zmuir, I do not have exact numbers as to how many people will actually cancel their accounts, so please do not launch the multi-font/multi-color rant asking for them.
not to butt in, but i really don't enjoy UO. I loiter on my island everyday sorting BODs, and I stand at the Tower seeing if anyone comes by... heh, I'm lame. But as i said a long time ago, I'm only here cause I still have hope for UO and projects like the Ls Mage tower/sThe people here still enjoy UO.
And see, this is why I mentioned RoC Rule B. Thinly veiled as it is, that IS a personal attack. Please, stop now before a mod is shamed enough to actually do their job.You made a rather blanket statement. You may have meant what you said above, but its not what you actually stated. You 'work' for Stratics, I 'worked' for Stratics. We both know the rather lock-step mentality being employed here. Just phrase things more carefuly in the future.
point well taken sir. and yes, I meant the morons are in fact included in the other people. Just like someone would say "the freaks come out at night" well, you would only know that if you yourself was out at night right? but you in no means are implying you're a freak, or that 100% of said people outside at dark are freaks.
See, you don't actually have to personally talk to someone to think their contributions to the game were admirable. It definately helps, yes, but it isn't mandatory.Sorry, never once spoke to them. so I can't claim to know much.
I've spoken to Mesanna on numerous occasions, and I agree that she is a definate bright spot in the Dev Team. She spent over an hour trying to fix my character one morning (I couldn't do the Hag quest for some reason), and I have seen her MANY times at GL events.I spoke to Mesanna everyday for a while, but it wasn't until her and I sat down in game and spoke for a while that I was able to form an opinion of her (she BTW is the best person for UO in many many years... IMHO). Same goes for my opinions on people like Garriott and Starr.
I'm not saying AoS was the right way for UO to go. But it was the way it went. Whining about it (as a player) eight years later is just silly. It happened. Eight. Years. Ago. Time to get over it. This is the whole "Don't cry over spilled milk..." thing. Not all of us like it, but reality is what it is. Adapt.Yes I know the name Draconi, I know what was happening at the time, but I had no clue about the person behind the name other than random posts I read. Not enough for me to form an opinion of respect.
think of Sunsword, when Chilton ditched UO for WoW, it seemed as if AoS was the child of Sunsword, when it wasn't. Just happened Chilton left before it all went live. So Sunsword had to appear hyped about it (when Sunsword didn't like it).
Now from the outside it would have seemed Sunsword created AoS and was excited to see it go live. Yet had you sat down with them (as people did later) you would have found out it was not the case at all.
A tactic employed by you often.you have to attack the person instead of the argument.
Not by me they didn't. You obviously have me confused with someone else. I am not sure if you are familiar with the concept of an anti-PK or not, so I will ignore your slander of my past.Yes, because people who didn't like PvP were lining up to be your personal victims, right? They enjoyed being ganked, dry looted, then rez killed?
Once again, you confuse me with someone else. I never sought innocents to kill. Apparently you have not read many of my 3000+ posts here. That is understandable, it is an awful lot of material to go through, and in this day and age, who can expect someone to actually bring facts to the table?Why you cannot comprehend such a simple fact eludes me. Thus Trammel. Fel became PvP only, and the majority of players migrated there. Yes, PvP in Fel still existed, but your prey were gone. Wolves v wolves obviously isn't your style.
Define recent.You've played UO recently?
I will consider that a "personal attack" and report it as such. If we (Classic Shard supporters) are not allowed to employ personal attacks against other posters here, then you should not be able to either.If you think that the rest of us, who aren't foaming at the mouth for a classic shard, are willing to wait while your dream shard is created you're patently delusional.
I agree...hence why I have given up asking for it. That does not mean that I will sit idly by and not point out hypocrisy and personal attacks that you, and others, lauch against others here.What you "lost" was 8-10 years ago, depending on your definition. Get. Over. It. Its not coming back how you want it, no matter how much fist raising and mournful cries to the heavens you produce.
Last I checked...the entire population of UO was "the few"...comparatively speaking.Thisa case of the needs of the many, outweighing the needs of the few. (YOU are the few, FYI)
Well, you are correct, what appears on the screen is indeed black (the default color)...however, your posts are rife with COLOR tags. Don't shoot the messenger here...just letting you know what you are posting, "hun".Multi-color? Me? Not so much
I already vented about AoS in this thread, my entire point there was to say I don't judge a Dev by their words on 'official' posts. Because had I done so with Sunsword, I woulda hated them.I'm not saying AoS was the right way for UO to go. But it was the way it went. Whining about it (as a player) eight years later is just silly. It happened. Eight. Years. Ago. Time to get over it. This is the whole "Don't cry over spilled milk..." thing. Not all of us like it, but reality is what it is. Adapt.
Already done.why don't you cancel your accounts
Not necessary.make 2nd BIG thread about it
I have the right to post here as long as the forum management and owners allow to do so. I have told you this many times, yet you seem incapable of grasping the concept. Remember, you always have the option of not replying to, or reading, my posts. However, you DO NOT have the option of preventing me from posting here.then do something novel... Stop. Posting.
First you accuse me of being a PK, now you are accusing me of harassment. I am being to feel that this has turned into yet another "personal attack"...and I will report it as such.stop harassing the people who DO still enjoy those things.
Some of them do. Some do not.The people here still enjoy UO.
You have suddenly become the collective voice of Stratics? I'd like to see credentials please.We are over you now.
Oh, no...Thank you.Thank you.
You're being one of the LS News Reporters makes that statement all the more unfortunate.not to butt in, but i really don't enjoy UO.