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What loot does the Harbringer drop?

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Slim29

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So if I can kill it in 2 min with other methods and it takes 30 min to and hour to get a yellow crystal, please explain the difference. I mean, I really want to know what the difference is between 5 seconds and 2 min when the loot is the same. And yes, you are absolutely correct - I am awesome. I at least have the guts to share what I know, and let the chips fall where they may.
 
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Smokin

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You didn't point out anything like peoples true intentions because you don't know them. From the moment Slim posted it he has been saying that he is against it, I'm against it, Crysta is against it. Whos intentions is it you think you've shown?

I reported it before Harbingers existed, it isn't specific to them, and to stop using it I'd have to start.
While I know Crysta is against it, I don't believe what you saying about Slim unfortunately, considering he had many other posts looking to buy the crystals up if you looked, it doesn't sound like someone against it.
 
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Slim29

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If you look at my original post, I was begging the Dev's to pm me on the subject. I said the 5 second kill was cheesy. I have many other ways to kill them fast. I want someone to tell me the difference between 5 seconds and 2 min. Unfortunately, the real concern on this issue is not the fast kills, but rather the other items I mentioned. These creatures could be used as a grief tactic to get other players killed in Tram as you can release multiple Harbringers at one time. It's these and other concerns I have which is why I posted this to begin with. The fact that I'm willing to buy yellow crystals from other players has nothing to do with getting the shards clear of potential hazards. I want the crystals because the Harbringers drop peerless equivalent loot that can be enhanced for relic frags as well as very nice set items. Any other questions?
 
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Lord GOD(GOD)

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While I know Crysta is against it, I don't believe what you saying about Slim unfortunately, considering he had many other posts looking to buy the crystals up if you looked, it doesn't sound like someone against it.
Yes, one of my later replies agreed, I didn't know he was still using it at that time. I was just trying to point out that although he is doesn't mean we all are. But thats up to him I'm still against it.
 
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Lord GOD(GOD)

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just because there isnt a list of whats legal or illegal doesnt mean your creative ideas arent bug/exploits. check pub 62.2 and see how the stygian draggy/renowned pixie was not an intended way to kill harbinger... man i love when im right. now lets all just get back to playing and doing it the right way.

this is the second time someone heres "brilliant idea" has been nerfed/fixed, maybe they should keep thier questionable ideas to them selves next time.
It was nothing to do with the Stygian Dragon or Pixie.
 
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Slim29

Guest
I did stop using the 5 second method. I still want the yellow crystals. I don't think there should be any confusion about it.
 

Elaysia

Seasoned Veteran
Stratics Veteran
Stratics Legend
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I did harbringer 8 times tonight and not one robe a few decent bracelets and rings. Two others with me also got nothing. That was extreme disappointment. Gah.
 
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Slim29

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Must be the shard you are on. I have 8 Harbinger robes and 7 blue crystal robes. They were dropping about 1 in 3 for me.
 
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Pepino Gonzales

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a gate opened up in luna and a guy was spamming harbinger........so i dipped in....it was all but redlined but i figured what the hell ill beat on it a few times......1 minute and 1 death later it was redlined.....it fell to the ground and when i opened the corpse i found the robe.....guess i got lucky it only took me a min to get one :p
 
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RedDaTeef

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I summoned 2 at the champ spawn next to Swoop...2nd one gave me the grab.
Once the next lvl of the spawn kick in takes bout 5-10 mins.
 

Hildebrand

Certifiable
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i prefer to just use positive karma creatures do the grunt work, ethereal warriors will yeild some great items and hold thier own well. being able to throw in a few WoD gives the luck bump, which is what makes a huge difference in loot quality. shame there's no ML loot though (aside from set armor), just AoS items.

the 5 second kill is hilarious.
What do you mean WoD gives a luck bump? I didn't see anywhere that says it gives luck. Please explain.
 
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northwoodschopper

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What do you mean WoD gives a luck bump? I didn't see anywhere that says it gives luck. Please explain.
it merely means that if you throw in a couple WoD while positive karma creatures are handing it to the harbinger, your luck will apply to the harbinger's loot. plus it expediates the whole killing process. maybe even protects looting rights.

obviously this is only a factor if you have luck, which is now easier than ever to come by. pushing over 2000 luck gives huge boosts in loot quality.
 

MissEcho

Babbling Loonie
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I appreciate all the feedback we have gotten on this topic. I would like to say something to those on here that like to throw out names like exploiters, cheaters, hackers - ban their accounts. It is extremely annoying to those of us that work hard in the game and use our brains to come up with solutions to hear crap like this. Everyday I go to work, my job is to come up with solutions to problems and find the most efficient ways to handle processes. This is how we have evolved as human beings. This is why you get to enjoy games like this. Nowadays, it seems more and more that if someone comes up with a great idea they are blasted by their peers for upsetting the status quo. Well, pardon me and the rest like me for using our grey matter to achieve in life and in the game. I shared this issue because beyond anything else, I believe in fair game play. Do I want to make millions in gold and have every uber item? Of course I do, but I do it fairly. I have never cheated, exploited, or scripted. I spend hours upon hours of playing and I act in the game like I do in real life. I try to find the most efficient (legal) ways to do a task and profit from it. There are many more things I have learned since Stygian Abyss launched. I have shared two of them here and plan to continue sharing. But please, do not call the rest of us names simply because you do not think up an idea. That's my rant - as always I appreciate any feedback.
Afraid what is more annoying is people who find things that are in all likelihood not as intended and could be viewed as an exploit, in other words the poster 'doesn't really know but has reported it' or ...... hang on, didn't 'report it' as in your words, after crysta did, you said..... you were 'waiting' for a dev to pm you ...
Developers, please message me so we can nip this in the bud. I hate having to keep this secret
I mean seriously, if you find something that 'could' be an exploit you are OBLIGED TO REPORT it not sit and wait for a dev to pm you. Rather than do what is supposed to be done and just quietly report to the devs so if it is an exploit they can fix it you don't then after 'not quite' reporting it you come here and 'shout' about it, make out how clever you are, say you have used it a few times now but are now 'too tired' to do more today, go on and on about the 'guesses' that aren't 'right'.

Oh and this is pretty magnanimous of you:
I shared this issue because beyond anything else, I believe in fair game play.
... really?

I didn't see you sharing it, I saw you coming to the boards and saying how in 5 seconds you can kill a peerless type boss but didn't want to cause a "shard wide catastrophe" by letting anyone in on the 'secret' that you 'almost' reported while you were waiting for a dev.

I think if people start to call you names, perhaps they have reason?

Any time you can kill a peerless type boss in 5 seconds solo I would believe any person in their right mind would view this as an unintended situation which should be instantly 'reported' to the devs.

You need to step down off your perch, you thought it was an exploit, hence your begging the devs to pm you, yet you used it more than once and FAILED TO report it to the Dev's. So, I guess whatever 'system' you have to kill in 5 secs will remain your secret exploit won't it?
 
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Lord GOD(GOD)

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Regardless of how its killed its nowhere near Peerless level.
 
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northwoodschopper

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it's champ spawn level, the same loot as rikktor or doom champ it seems.
 

Kellgory

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It also has a chance of dropping armour set pieces. I did 3 last night and got the robe on first one, assassins sleeves on the second, and death essence legs on the third.
 
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Slim29

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Afraid what is more annoying is people who find things that are in all likelihood not as intended and could be viewed as an exploit, in other words the poster 'doesn't really know but has reported it' or ...... hang on, didn't 'report it' as in your words, after crysta did, you said..... you were 'waiting' for a dev to pm you ... I mean seriously, if you find something that 'could' be an exploit you are OBLIGED TO REPORT it not sit and wait for a dev to pm you. Rather than do what is supposed to be done and just quietly report to the devs so if it is an exploit they can fix it you don't then after 'not quite' reporting it you come here and 'shout' about it, make out how clever you are, say you have used it a few times now but are now 'too tired' to do more today, go on and on about the 'guesses' that aren't 'right'.

Oh and this is pretty magnanimous of you: ... really?

I didn't see you sharing it, I saw you coming to the boards and saying how in 5 seconds you can kill a peerless type boss but didn't want to cause a "shard wide catastrophe" by letting anyone in on the 'secret' that you 'almost' reported while you were waiting for a dev.

I think if people start to call you names, perhaps they have reason?

Any time you can kill a peerless type boss in 5 seconds solo I would believe any person in their right mind would view this as an unintended situation which should be instantly 'reported' to the devs.

You need to step down off your perch, you thought it was an exploit, hence your begging the devs to pm you, yet you used it more than once and FAILED TO report it to the Dev's. So, I guess whatever 'system' you have to kill in 5 secs will remain your secret exploit won't it?



My attention on this subject and sharing it on this forum is what got this issue fixed - Period! There were other players that have stated here that they already informed the developers on this issue while it was still on test center. And first and foremost, finding the most efficient way to do something is not an exploit - It's called using my BRAIN. I am still able to kill this thing in 2 min with many other methods and I did for a majority of my Harbingers. Look at my earlier posts on this subject regarding the possible ways to kill this thing and you will understand. The fact that it takes at least 30 min to an hour to get a yellow crystal means that the difference between 5 seconds and 2 min is moot. The real issue here is the other problems I detailed with allowing this type of monster on demand crystal. The Harbringers can be used as grief tactics against innocent players, and as I see from the recent threads this is exactly what is happening. If more of the people that are flaming me actually read everything I wrote on these issues(not just one excerpt), then there wouldn't be much to debate here.
 
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