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[UO Herald] Fiction: Royal Decree

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Morgana LeFay (PoV)

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Casca? King?

This does raise an interesting question.

If he is not of the bloodline, how does he ascend to the throne? Lord British once adopted my baby sister Abigail, and she was supposed to be his successor...until Dawn came along.

I knew I should have never believed a word that Lord British said to me at my father's funneral.

I will not swear my loyalty to Casca...in fact, I will see him dead.
 

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UK, Canada, Australia and Japan are all monarchies. ok,ok, I know you meant monarch, not monarchy ... but depending on how far one takes the "unitary executive" interpretation of the US constitution, one could argue the US President is actually an elected monarch in all but name.
In all of the Countries you listed The Monarch is a figurehead that has little executive power over legislation and are primarily governed by a democratic parliament.

Britannia was a Monarchy under Lord British, with his departure a council was elected to govern in his stead until the monarchy was re-established. They've decided to do so...I don't see the big deal, Casca was appointed King pro-tempore Meaning for the time present, so until such time as that changes everyone should get down on bent knee and be ready to kiss his elfin buttocks.
 

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Any figurehead the clowncil places will be just that. Lord British is the only King I will ever kneel to. The council and the rest of the crap that drizzles down from the powers that be isn't worthy of cold spit on a freezing day.
 

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They've decided to do so...I don't see the big deal, Casca was appointed King pro-tempore Meaning for the time present, so until such time as that changes everyone should get down on bent knee and be ready to kiss his elfin buttocks.
Were we in another universe, I might point at Denethor, Steward of Gondor who ruled as if a king to the point where there was a threat to refuse to recognize the rightful king if he returned.

Or in the real world, the governor general of Canada who sits in place of the Queen and makes decisions on her behalf. Yes, the GG is traditionally a purely ceremonial role, but it still in theory holds vast powers. Just a month ago there was a situation where normal etiquette of government fell apart and the GG was forced to make decision that determined who runs the country.

Anyway, the absence of Lord British has left an awkward hole in the fiction - EA can't use him, but they also can't simply ditch him without brutally severing the remaining ties to Ultima canon. So we have an empty throne being kept for someone who cannot be brought back. But the distinction between King and King pro-tempore is a purely ceremonial distinction.
 

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OK, this is just too funny ... Lord Backthorn's castle on Legends is being protected by "Ricardo the Royal Guard" :)
 

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In all of the Countries you listed The Monarch is a figurehead that has little executive power over legislation and are primarily governed by a democratic parliament.

Britannia was a Monarchy under Lord British, with his departure a council was elected to govern in his stead until the monarchy was re-established. They've decided to do so...I don't see the big deal, Casca was appointed King pro-tempore Meaning for the time present, so until such time as that changes everyone should get down on bent knee and be ready to kiss his elfin buttocks.
Actually, Lord British defined Britannia as a monarchic republic. This was taken from the Ultima 5 manual, Ultima 5 coincidentally being the game where the Avatar had to deal with the threat of the Shadowlords

Government

Under Lord British, Britannia has undergone a great transformation from totalitarian monarchy to representative democracy in what is called a monarchic republic. Instead of a single rule of the king, Lord British, Britannia is rules by a combination of Lord British and a council of representatives from each of the eight major townes. Although his intent for the future was that each towne elect its representative to the council, the first council was determined by appointment. British traveled to each towne, spending long hours with its leaders to determine the right choice for the first council.
The historic first meeting of the Great Council consisted of two parts. First, Lord British met with the council members and outlined his vision of participatory government. It was as follows:

This council and Lord British would begin to build a document, based on nature and reality, that set forth those rights of the people that should never be usurped. British believed that the eight virtues of the Avatar would play a major role in the nature of the document. Once adopted, the document would be binding on everyone, including Lord British himself.

Each year, a council member would be elected by each towne. That council member would conduct towne meetings at regular intervals to determine the problems in the towne and to become acquainted with the needs and interests of the people. Several times a year, at regular intervals, the council member would travel to Britain to sit on the Great Council.

The council would ponder problems that occurred in Britannia and decide if they were in the purview of government. If so, they would determine the course of action government should take, perhaps writing a law, perhaps repealing a law, perhaps altering ways and means.

Council recommendations would then be presented to British, and he could accept them or object to them. If he objected, his own rules would require him to sit with the council to try and work out solutions acceptable to all. Nevertheless, Lord British reserved to himself the power of veto in the event that an agreement could not be reached.

At that first gathering of the council, Lord British withdrew from the meeting after presenting his plan, directing the council to discuss the ideas and his rule in general.

After several days, the council was ready to present its findings. Its members were unanimously in favor of the new government plan Lord British had presented, and so it was enacted.

The first meeting continued for one month. Half the time was spent pounding out the new constitution and half the time was spent discussing affairs in what was to become normal council fashion. Since that time, the council meets for two weeks, four times a year, beginning on the solstices and equinoxes.

The monarchy continues in some respects. The crown jewels, for example, continue to define the office of ruler, both figuratively and, by their magic content, truly. These precious emblems consist of the jewel-encrusted gold crown, believed to contain a perfect ray of sunlight; the pure gold scepter, topped by the crystal orb of power; and the silver amulet, in the shape of the mighty earth serpent, said to have come from another world.
 

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I feel an interesting event coming up.... :flame: the guy on the left is Casca.
 

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Actually, Lord British defined Britannia as a monarchic republic. This was taken from the Ultima 5 manual, Ultima 5 coincidentally being the game where the Avatar had to deal with the threat of the Shadowlords
UO doesn't follow the history of the Ultima games...that's been pointed out numerous times.
 

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UO doesn't follow the history of the Ultima games...that's been pointed out numerous times.
Perhaps, but it often reconverges on similar events. (eg: ruin of Magincia, the presence of the Shadowlords). Perhaps in our timelines, a council will be reformed after the events of today (if we survive), rather than having been set up before the shadowlords' arrival.
 

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UO doesn't follow the history of the Ultima games...that's been pointed out numerous times.
There was a council before that was assassinated (aside for Casca). Where did this council come from if it wasn't Lord British who set them up to rule while he was away.
 

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There was a council before that was assassinated (aside for Casca). Where did this council come from if it wasn't Lord British who set them up to rule while he was away.
Of Course Lord British Set them up before he departed for good, but they still have every right to select a leader among them.

Who says a new council wasn't set up after the assassination? The Council would have every right to appoint a new King as they saw fit after the prolonged absence of Lord British. No one has officially said that there wasn't a new council formed after the assassination.
 

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Of Course Lord British Set them up before he departed for good, but they still have every right to select a leader among them.

Who says a new council wasn't set up after the assassination? The Council would have every right to appoint a new King as they saw fit after the prolonged absence of Lord British. No one has officially said that there wasn't a new council formed after the assassination.
Where they voted in as the constitution mandated? Or did Casca hand-pick the other council members to fill the seat? In our guild fiction, we wrote that he hand-picked them in this time of crisis.
 

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Where they voted in as the constitution mandated? Or did Casca hand-pick the other council members to fill the seat? In our guild fiction, we wrote that he hand-picked them in this time of crisis.
If the other turns out to be true? That is if we are ever enlightened about it.
 

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I didn't know we had a king. I thought we were an autonomous collective.
Yup, that's exactly what I said, we haven't had a king for ages.

I say we have been doing pretty well so far taking our turn as the weekly executive officer in our anarcho-syndicalist commune!

Down with monarchy! No one voted for him to be king!
 
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- Perhaps a moistened bint from the lake could have voted him king ;)
I guess we minor commoners will just have to await this 'kings' first official announcement in hopes that we can discern more, regarding this latest lordly shift.
 
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I will see Casca hang for his treason!

Our true King never intended for this maggot to ascend the throne!!

He is not even of royal blood!

Join me! I will overthrow this would-be tyrant!
 

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I find many things around Casca concerning, one example was him possible role in the council murders. The council was mudered 1 person was taken prisioner 1 was a traitor taken to the etharal fortress

A Message
By Sara

Erik has gone ahead with our “guest” and our contact. They are going to the Ethereal Fortress as planned. Erik still doubts anyone will bother searching Inu’s former cell, but your absence has made him extremely nervous. He has decided to reinforce the security adding 2 other passwords to reach the cell on top of those already existing. I had to sneak this note for you so don’t tell him I warned you. It should not be too hard solving the passwords. They’re Jeebus or Rebus or something “bus”, I didn’t quite understand the name. But Erik said you’re the one that showed him a book about them at the Lycaeum.
We found casca outside of Inus old cell, unmarked by his ordeal, and the coversation that follows is unnerving.

Royal council - It was a bloodbath! That traitor Avery!! He did this to us!
Avery - All these months, pretending to be a hero, he was in fact spying on us for the FOA.
FOA - They dragged me here to ransom me. Avery left with the others to a secret meeting.
Meeting - I just know there is a portal which requires a password. And there they summon something.
Portal - I do not know its location. Captain Ulrich knows more about the FOA.
Password - I’m sorry. it’s a word unknown to me. I only remember that it began with the letter “E”.
Summon - A guardian or divinity of some sort. Someone or something they both fear and revere.
Ulrich - He’s Captain of the Royal Guard. You will find him at Britain’s Warrior’s Guild.
Help - Give this to Captain Ulrich and tell him to come get me. He will reward you handsomely.
(given “A Note From Casca)
How did he know so much?
How did he know Ulrich had been appointed captain of the royal guard, (hes been held captive since the attack).
As for this new captain that casca trusted so much, why was he wearing the same kind of healm as the Six that were for searching for gems.
Why did casca not leave with us when he had the chance too?

Then look at the how we discover Captain Avery, he was only released after we had caused Melissa to leave, releasing her hold on him, he wanted to leave with us

Melissa: “This”
Melissa: “Isn’t”
Melissa: “Over”

And vanishes.
Then Captain Avery appears stating:

Avery: I’m free! You’ve saved me! They’ve had me…

Followed soon after by William the Guard and Thomas the Guard.

William: “Avery! We’ve caught you at last!
Avery : What’s this!?
Thomas: You are under arrest for the murder of the Royal Council!
Avery: Help me!
Thomas: At last, we’ll bring the criminal to justice.
Thomas: Your kingdom thanks you.
You decide who was the prisoner and who was the traitor.





Secondly 2 escaped the castle murders that were on that list, surly we need to find them to see what they know. Remember the blood socked note of Lord Francesco

Milord Francesco,

I have strong reasons to believe that you and the entire Council are in danger. Avoid tonight’s Council meeting if at all possible or shorten it and come meet me at once. I have fled the Castle with Sherry, as both our lives have also been threatened.

I beg you to hastily come to my Trinsic residence. I will tell you more. Do not speak of this to anyone. There are traitors within the Castle walls.

Sincerely,

Lady Aileen

And the note on Lady Aileens bed

A Message
By Lady Aileen

Milord,

The hooded man I told you about was once more at the Castle tonight. Sherry overheard him tell someone that the Council would be disposed of tonight as well as Sherry and myself. And so we’ve fled…

We will remain in hiding for a while, until we know better who is friend or foe.

We waited as long as we could. I can only hope that my first message found you and that you are safe.

Aileen
 

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There was a council before that was assassinated (aside for Casca). Where did this council come from if it wasn't Lord British who set them up to rule while he was away.
Lord British set up a Ruling Council before he left to take an artifact to the Ethereal Void to guard it from Minax.

Casca ended up getting appointed to it years later.

And now, everyone's dead on it except for Casca, and its sole-remaining member appointed himself King. If Casca re-formed the Ruling Council, someone please link me up because I've missed that completely.

However, even if this happened....What are the odds he'd get someone on the Council who would oppose his ascension to the throne?

-Galen's player
 

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Thank you very much for this. You make the case with eloquence.

I should also add that, in addition to Casca being unmarked as you point out, Avery did appear "marked" (he was dressed in only a death shroud, traditional UO game mechanic for being dressed in rags and/or being noticeably injured, at least in RP on LS).

Also, now that I think about it.....Is holding an official for ransom really good way to raise money for your evil cause? You're better off sending some people to Doom and hoping you get an Orni, then selling it. And why hold Casca hostage? Why pick him to be your prisoner and not some other member of the Council? Casca, after the prosecution of Ricardo, isn't the best-liked official. (Though now that I think about it he may be the best known.)

In-character, Galen is extremely suspicious, and rather pissed off that he can't actually prove any of this in any meaningful, non-speculative way. Of course, if Casca is evil as we all fear him to be, odds are good he'll reveal himself as such soon.....

-Galen's player


I find many things around Casca concerning, one example was him possible role in the council murders. The council was mudered 1 person was taken prisioner 1 was a traitor taken to the etharal fortress



We found casca outside of Inus old cell, unmarked by his ordeal, and the coversation that follows is unnerving.



How did he know so much?
How did he know Ulrich had been appointed captain of the royal guard, (hes been held captive since the attack).
As for this new captain that casca trusted so much, why was he wearing the same kind of healm as the Six that were for searching for gems.
Why did casca not leave with us when he had the chance too?

Then look at the how we discover Captain Avery, he was only released after we had caused Melissa to leave, releasing her hold on him, he wanted to leave with us



You decide who was the prisoner and who was the traitor.





Secondly 2 escaped the castle murders that were on that list, surly we need to find them to see what they know. Remember the blood socked note of Lord Francesco




And the note on Lady Aileens bed
 
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Plus as we read in the latest reports it would appear Sherry the mouse has gone to the aid of Avery.

Would the follower of one of the few who survived the assasination attempt trust the "traitor" without just cause??
 

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King? I didn't vote for you!
The last ime i looked a king is not an elected offical. they are usually desendents of the the royal bloodline proclaimed by some birth right. A new king can be also be proclaimed by a consences of the countrie's ruling class from it members. However, I don't remember Lord gunner being asked to be included in making this decision. What good is my Lord status then?

Hail King Casca, long live the king!
 

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*roleplay*


New Frarc-"If this new king is righteous and follow the Virtues ,my family and friends of the CAT's will serve him. If not....." *draws sword*
 

GalenKnighthawke

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The last ime i looked a king is not an elected offical. they are usually desendents of the the royal bloodline proclaimed by some birth right. A new king can be also be proclaimed by a consences of the countrie's ruling class from it members. However, I don't remember Lord gunner being asked to be included in making this decision. What good is my Lord status then?

Hail King Casca, long live the king!
I believe the "I didn't vote for you" remark was a reference to this 1975 film:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071853/

-Galen's player
 

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Thanks for reminding me of Sherry appering to Captain Avery But it left me a little confused, perhaps someone can help.

When we followed the paper trail of the killers a book was left

A Message
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Erik has gone ahead with our “guest” and our contact They are going to the Ethereal Fortress as planned. Erik still doubts anyone will bother searching Inu’s former cell, but your absence has made him extremely nervous. He has decided to reinforce the security adding 2 other passwords to reach the cell on top of those already existing. I had to sneak this note for you so don’t tell him I warned you. It should not be too hard solving the passwords. They’re Jeebus or Rebus or something “bus”, I didn’t quite understand the name. But Erik said you’re the one that showed him a book about them at the Lycaeum.
I thought Captain Avery was the "guest" (unwilling) but now the BNN artical shows he tracked the muderers as far as Melissa and was not with them at all, do you think the "guest" might have been Mellisa or perhaps someone else?
 
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Flora Green

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- Perhaps a moistened bint from the lake could have voted him king ;)
I guess we minor commoners will just have to await this 'kings' first official announcement in hopes that we can discern more, regarding this latest lordly shift.
Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government
 
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Morgana LeFay (PoV)

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Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government

"I mean, if I went 'round, saying I was an emperor, just cause some watery tart lobbed a scimitar at me...they put me away!"

:D
 
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I want to know why the Royal Council thinks it has any power whatsoever. All power lies with the Great Council, represented by the eight cities. On Catskills, PGoH was given the right to be the representative of Trinsic by Lord British himself, and I know that we were not consulted on the matter of this usurper.[If anyone has links to where the Royal Council became in charge instead of the Great Council, let me know. Because I've never seen such things.]

Not to mention, Casca has done nothing heroic nor deserving of such a title. Where was he when the realm has been being attacked? When Magincia was attacked?

If you define heroism as setting up a fireworks display and surviving a massacre, then you're defining it wrong.

Lord British fought alongside the subjects, and so did his closest friends and allies. Lord British helped unite the lands. Casca has succeeded in driving us farther apart with the trial against Ricardo, and the accusations against Avery. This 'lord' Casca is a fool, and he must know that with so much to give suspicion about him (ref. Galen's posts) that there will be an uprising. So this will either advance one of two ways...

The uprising is part of his plans, and he wants them to happen so he can enact martial law amongst the cities and further control the goings on of Brittania. From there he will have those who oppose him labeled as traitors and slain instead of being given the chance to speak.

Casca is being used. He is nothing but a pawn, and he thinks that he is being led into the highest position to repay a favor to his friends, all the while they are merely setting him up because with an ineffectual leader who divides peoples loyalties they will not be as united against the true threat against Brittania.

That's what I see happening, anyways.
 
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*roleplay*


New Frarc-"If this new king is righteous and follow the Virtues ,my family and friends of the CAT's will serve him. If not....." *draws sword*
This. If Casca shows through his actions that he is Virtuous and a defender of the realm, than he deserves our fealty. Otherwise, I see the evil hand of the Shadowlords at work...

OOC: Incidentally, does anyone else remember the really long thread we had here a year or two ago about "The realm needs a king..." Funny that it finally comes around.
 
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Morgana LeFay (PoV)

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Our realm does not need a king.

It already has a proper successor...and she should be Queen.
 

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If anyone has links to where the Royal Council became in charge instead of the Great Council, let me know. Because I've never seen such things.
Just a second...
I had to find this through archive.org because it isn't linked anywhere anymore on uoherald, and the search only goes back to January 2006...

The Royal Council (or ruling council) acted as ruling body of Britannia since 2000, shortly after the migration to Trammel, at first unofficially while the absence of Lord British was still kept secret to the population. In this article Lord Blackthorn recalls how Nystul took upon himself and the other members of the council the king's role (some would say usurp.;-) ) after Lord British left:

http://town.uo.com/bnn/article_453.html

In 2003, Lord British returned from his wanderings for a few months to collect the fragments of the Gem of Immortality and bring them to safety in the Ethereal Void. On his farewell speech, he abdicated the throne and designated the Royal Council as his successor as ruler of Britannia (this time officially ;-) ). Unfortunately the exact text of the speech is not reported in the BNN article:

http://town.uo.com/bnn/article_506.html

It is not clear if and when Clainin, Dupre, Shamino, Dawn and the other old heros left the Council and it was taken over by petty politicians such as Casca - but war heros also need retirement at some point after all..
In any case, Casca's self-proclamation as king is perfectly legitimate thanks to the abdication of 2003 and him being the sole surviving member of the Council...
 
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I still don't see the abdication to the Royal Council. I also don't recall that from what I remember of the occasion. Unless someone has screenshots or a text of the speech, I'm going to have to remain doubtful about the balance of power between the Great Council and the Royal Council.

In fact, I see no mention whatsoever of the Royal Council in either of those articles, most notably the first one. Also, Nystul was never part of the Royal Council. He was a part of the King's Circle and I think he acted in some form with the Great Council, never the Royal Council. Furthermore, Blackthorne was obviously at that time already ambitious and lustful of power, and his account of how people dealt with things were obviously tinged with these desires and ambitions, so his accounts of Nystul and Dupre seem very out of character and falsified. It doesn't seem that Nystul was trying to take over, except in Blackthornes point of view; If you read past it, it seems more that Nystul was worried that a state of panic would be caused to exist if the King's absence was noted, so he continued to carry on the King's wishes.

I think I mistook the Great Council (The representatives of each of the 8 cities) and the King's Circle (Dupre, Nystul, Dawn, Shamino, Clainin) for each other. The Great Council was always the one who determined our ruler, not the King's Circle, nor the Royal Council. Is there anything that shows why we suddenly had a bunch of poncey nobles who felt so self important that they could name the King at all? Anything that shows that Casca would even have a VOTE, considering he's not part of the Royal Council, merely it's Ambassador to the Elves? (I may have missed a piece of fiction where he was put on the council proper, but I don't think so.)
 

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- Perhaps a moistened bint from the lake could have voted him king ;)
I guess we minor commoners will just have to await this 'kings' first official announcement in hopes that we can discern more, regarding this latest lordly shift.
LOL, voted in by a watery tart!? That's no basis for a government!
 
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I think I mistook the Great Council (The representatives of each of the 8 cities) and the King's Circle (Dupre, Nystul, Dawn, Shamino, Clainin) for each other.
The "great" council?!

Dupre was an awkward young man. He was never much to look at, and a general spaz. He was a running joke amongst the older gentry...and he remains as such.

Nystul was but a child when my father was a member of the Royal Council. Not much changed from what I understand.

Dawn...the other usurper...was a paper champion! She never had any real skills or authority behind her. In fact, she was only favored amongst the royals because of her toned backside.

Shamino was a complete joke! He had some ideas that were interesting, but in practice he was nothing buy an idealist. His rhetoric was solid, but underneath, he was nothing but a face man.

And Clainin.

No substance. Just a yes man...and a toadie.

These are the people that our citizenry have put their trust in???

In my father's day, there were men of courage...like my father, Greyson 'TideHawk' LeFay...and Lord Cromwell.

What happened to leaders like these...like Lord British?

Our realm, our PEOPLE, deserve better than Casca!!
 
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Morgana LeFay (PoV)

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A very astute observation! It is a known fact that nobles do not have faeces all over them :D
An interesting observation...yet I know that Luis the IVth had a bout of severe diarrhea.
 
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Morgana LeFay (PoV)

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Ah, they did that to JFK already. It's just not chic to get done in the same way as a previous president, imagine the scandal!

:D

:D

Well...we wouldn't dispose of a ruler unless we could do it with style...would we?
 

Harlequin

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The "great" council?!

Dupre was an awkward young man. He was never much to look at, and a general spaz. He was a running joke amongst the older gentry...and he remains as such.

Nystul was but a child when my father was a member of the Royal Council. Not much changed from what I understand.

Dawn...the other usurper...was a paper champion! She never had any real skills or authority behind her. In fact, she was only favored amongst the royals because of her toned backside.

Shamino was a complete joke! He had some ideas that were interesting, but in practice he was nothing buy an idealist. His rhetoric was solid, but underneath, he was nothing but a face man.

And Clainin.

No substance. Just a yes man...and a toadie.

These are the people that our citizenry have put their trust in???

In my father's day, there were men of courage...like my father, Greyson 'TideHawk' LeFay...and Lord Cromwell.

What happened to leaders like these...like Lord British?

Our realm, our PEOPLE, deserve better than Casca!!

I beg to differ! Dupre may be a spaz, but he's the most honorable spaz I know! I vote Dupre king! What do you mean we don't get to vote for kings!?

Hey...wait a minute...I know I heard the name Lefay somewhere before...aren't you the half-sister of the same guy we were talking about? The one who got a sword from some watery tart and pronounced himself king?

You're not going to pull a similiar stunt are you?
 
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