Damn Man! you have soooo many problems playing this game.
Frustrated are we?
There we go, for your information, pets are NOT a weapon. They are a second player, with tons of hit points (6 to 10 times the amont of hitpoints of a player), with their own set of skill points and you dont decide if it is going to cast a flame strike or a lightning, or greater heal himself... Not to mention most of the pvp tamers also have a weapon skill and tactics to do special moves.
Any player, regardless of the template, should be as good as dead when 3,4,5 players decide to kill them. As for "a weaker set of stats and resists" i would like to remind you that, with the proposed solution, the total stats and resists, between the tamer and his pets would be equal to the player he faces (720 skills and 225 stats), therefore not weaker!
Doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that tamers are unbalanced and that they defeat the whole idea of PLAYER vs PLAYER. I realize that the proposed changed would render the tamers (50% of pvp teamplates atm) useless. Thats the whole idea of my proposal.
A rune beetle or mare isn't nearly unkillable by 1-2 players though. And how is playing a tamer a risk? You can wear a luck suit AND not have to touch the baddie. Archers take more risks than tamers, end.
obviously, u have never played a tamer in the game (whether in pvp or not). 5 million a week to stable a pet? haha.
let's do it.
Only way for 1-2 players to kill the GD is if the tamer is a completely noob and/or DCed or dead. And if the tamer exploits the log out log in trick players still dont get to kill it. Tamer is the least risky class in PvM especially. Sampire can whiff 2 swings and die, archers will have to take direct nuke and getting teleported to the bosses same as mages. And EV gets instant killed against high end bosses if not auto instant dispelled.
Horrible idea indeed. Let us not forget how badly this would affect PvM tamers as well.
If you are a tamer and died to a bard, then you must suck, and there's no other options. and in reply to your noob pvp tamer comments.
But, that is their point exactly! Those posters want to remove Tamers from PvP any way they can, NOT level the playing field. They want their own favorite template to be "l33t."
You obviously know nothing about Tamers and using pets in PvM... they are far from weak, but perhaps 3rd or 4th most powerful in PvM, and have serious weakness with many high end bosses. You should only comment on PvP and spend more time playing a tamer in PvM, because obviously you don't know what you are talking about.
I know what I am talking about. And my legendary real skill tamer told me so. I PvM sometimes, and tried sampire and ABC archer. Tamer is not the best damaging but definately the EASIEST to play. Overall, tamers are the strongest in PvM and the only class able to get 1800+ luck (ask my luck suit I got on) and still able to kill peerless bosses solo. IMO, they are the perfect PvM template.
I really don't have a problem with that idea, but you also need to cap all other PvP damage to create a balance. Theoretically, all PvP damage should be the same:
You are generalizing and making assumptions that aren't true at all. If your tamer is the most powerful you have in PvM then you aren't playing the rest to their benefits. My dexxer runs with 1290-2000+ luck suit and by far out damages any greater dragon (or any other pet except a pack of frenzzies) in most (not all) PvM. My archer does even more damage without ever getting hit by anything other than spells - and all you have to do with archery is pull up a health bar and target it once or twice while staying out of range, my Mage/Spellweaver competes well with anyone, and my bard does more damage than any other in PvM but is perhaps the hardest to play. The easiest PvM template by far is the archer - oh wait, I have to remember to reload my quiver!
might work if the opposing pvp'r with 100% of their skills had to attack the tamer AND the pet simultaneously.. therefore it would be 100% v 100%... but that is NOT the scenario proposed... it's 100% v. some version of less than 100%. which is like high school kids beating up on kindergarteners...
Your premise is that a tamer + pet is EQUIVALENT to multiple players? So they are a roving squad of pvp? How then is that different than 3 or 4 or 5 reds running around together? Do you suggest that the different players adjust their stats and skills to only have 720 skill point between them? Or that they share the max for their stats? Do you control what your partner in pvp does with their spells? Or special moves?
Sounds like a mix of Jack Bauer and Superman.
Of course they see through it... regardless of what has been said, they are pretty smart people. It's just hard to balance everything to everyone's liking... especially people who lose in PvP. LOL
Thanks for admiting that a "team" made of a greater dragon and a player is unbalanced against any other solo player.
What team of pvp'rs ISN"T unbalanced against a solo player?
Many "stakeholders," of which I'm one, are going to argue your base premise emotionally. I won't, in fact, "tamers are overpowered" is about as intellectually undebatable as anything could possibly be, once you shelve the emotions of it all. It creeps into everything dev does, note that almost every new aspect of the game must include an "anti-pet" mechanism simply to provide challenge. Beyond your base premise however, I think your recommendations go overboard:
Vet is a great skill, depending on tasks to be performed. 2 of my 3 tamers use it, it's indespensible to how they're played. As a requirement however, the "logic" doesn't flow for me. "Herding," one of the never used skills, might fit as an additional requirement for obeying commands and/ or loyalty checks. As templates get rather crowded as is, and with new skills on the way, were herding to be included in checks, the weight/influence/ requirement should remain reasonably low. It becomes a balancing act for dev, as it also needs to have significance for higher level level creatures. Taming difficulty could probably be lowered overall, going back to an original but since voided pledge that powerscrolls would never be required for play, and dampening much of the argument reference item based skill modifiers. The trouble is, as your thread title implies, that a couple hundred poinits of skill, coupled with a cu or greater dragon are disproportionally strong relative to skill point investment.
As long as you take out skill loss in PvP for pets.
This one we agree on 100%. Whatever the range that a player mage or archer can hit you from should be the exact same range that a pet can hit you from, no more...no less.
be it Tamer,Fighter,Archer,Sampire, Learn to compete not to argue...Once again this game is a skill set game theres no only could be tamer only could be archer etc.. But changes keep pushing that which is not in the spirit of a 7 gm 6 legendary or 10 master skill sets etc.. Stop having just one certain template in youre 7 slots and play with them all so that it effect you no matter what is nerfed.
If my sword or bow could float around, attack by itself, soak up 900 hps of damage vs an average of 70 resists, all the while I can run around behind it casting spells or doing whatever, then yes, you would have a point.
I agree. Here is the trouble when and if they decide to nerf dragons they will do it for all shards. They will not take into account that prod tram,prod fel and siege are 3 completly different creatures. While prod shards dont need any nerf because most people can rip apart a gd and there masters in there sleep. The siege crowd unfortunetly are limited to gm armor which a dragon can rip apart. I believe when someone calls for a change in there post they should put the shard they are refering to. If it's tram,fel,siege ruleset and maybe a extra indication incase there shard has less than 50 players on it
Look the better solution would be smarter coding beind put in when the creatures are..I'll agree Greater Dragons are a pain on the PvP field, most the owners are gate hugging garbage...What needs to be done though is the damage for them Capped in PvP, not making pets disposable...
I trust they HAVE looked at GD's specifically. Heck a deaf man could hear the hysterical screaming of a few on these boards. Maybe the lack of action on their part, more than a year after their introduction, is an answer to the question. Just an answer some don't like.
?? Where does this statement come from? Is there a Greater Dragon handbook?? Can you direct me????