Non stacking holy fist would be a move in the right direction.
I also think chiv needs more balanced offensive skills. Buffs and such
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The Sorry state of PvP on Atlantic
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I also think chiv needs more balanced offensive skills. Buffs and such
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It's not a bad idea I like it actually but we should add 2/6 chiv to it. Fist is only one issue the other is people still having 4/6 chiv bushdio evasion with riding swipe.
Well I played chiv before holy fist. It's been OP healing since AOS. Try fighting a 4/6 DP death striker a year ago before they ruined death strikers.. talk about a dumb template
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2/6 makes is completely useless. 3/6 is still pretty fast but easily fizzled. There should be a timer on remove curse. Not a long one, maybe 8 seconds. Leave cleanse alone and cap close wounds at 30.
Fix divine fury to have a better return at 120 max karma, add some other buffs and make it relevant to today's UO. Necro also has the same issue, so the Devs are tweaking it to be more modern.
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What about invis jewels and tele jewels?
I mean, if you're going to present an argument...make sure that you present all the facts.
Spell plague does stack. So not sure what your point is?
I agree that Fist is what made it relevant, but today's loot pack has made templates so much stronger. Skill inc and max stats/regens on a template with that fast of casting is crazy. Being able to spam remove curse with no penalty to me is the most annoying.
I'm fine with chiv staying the way it is now or it getting completely nerfed. I think the people nit picking what is and what isn't ok depending on what they play is the real issue here.
Yep. All or nothing approach. Makes sense, right?
Spell Plague stacks
"The plague expires after 3 explosions or 8 seconds which ever comes first, but multiple spell plagues can be cast on a target and they will apply in sequence."
I agree with whats been said by some other posters. Not just holy fist, but some cool downs on remove curse, and I think the FC needs to be capped for everyone, OR increase the mana cost of spells and some reduction to how much close wounds heals. A mini heal cast for 40 hp is on the absurd side. A mass dispel on the run for less than 10 mana that can't be disrupted. Things like that need to be looked at.
Chivalry exists since 17 yrs almost nobody ever complained. The problem is if you use it with wrestling clearly but since the guild ! Is a bunch of liars I dunno what to tell u. U want to keep wrestling and chiv? Make holy fist dmg not stackable . Gg take care
I'm not from any of the guilds. Ask Pepsi or rick. I rarely have played in the last few years because how pathetic pvp has become. Mostly because you guys WANT it to still be ****. For whatever reason.
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Whats does the age have to do with anything? First off Chiv has been around since Feb 11, 2003, So a little less than 14 years. That said magery has been around since the start and went from 0/0 cast up to 4/6 and now capped at 2/6. As the game evolves changes need to be made this is just a prime example.
Here let's try this compromise:
- Make fist stack
- Put a timer on remove curse identical to sleep OR make it's casting speed the same as cleansing winds with the same tile base as close wounds
- Make all spells stationary so you can't cast and run at the same time
- Make holy light drop cursor
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Could you address what age has to do with anything for chivalry ?
I brought up the point about magery which has been around even longer going through all kinds of changes. I didn't see a response to that. Thanks!
I brought up the point about magery which has been around even longer going through all kinds of changes. I didn't see a response to that. Thanks!
I agree with this statement, only a focused chiv should be able to cast holy fist . Parry, Ninjitsu and bushido are not allowed on the focus list
Could you address this as I pointed out how magery has been out longer and changed multiple times? Thanks!
Well this thread is going nowhere fast.
If anyone goes to ATL they can see the biggest template in pvp there is the chiv wrestle holy fist.
Keep it don't keep it, I don't care. I just won't bother going to ATL to pvp against a group of people playing the same thing.
If anyone goes to ATL they can see the biggest template in pvp there is the chiv wrestle holy fist.
Keep it don't keep it, I don't care. I just won't bother going to ATL to pvp against a group of people playing the same thing.
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I did a significant amount of thread clean up and issued thread bans to people who couldn't behave themselves. Warnings are going to follow.
Once again, if you cannot discuss PVP tactics or "the State of PVP on Atlantic" in an adult and reasonable manner, save your breath and don't comment on this thread. Take any personal swipes to the designated PVP smack talk threads in each Shard forum. I can't make it more clear than that.
If someone baits you, there is no excuse. Do not take the bait and follow through with a trollish response back. I don't care what name you're called, etc... hit the report button.
Folks complained about the last PVP thread being locked. If the folks who want to discuss PVP in a reasonable manner don't want that to be the case again, don't fall for the bait of the folks who immediately take the thread down to the level of trolling, unserious posts, and personal attacks.
The Rules of Conduct, found here: Rules of Conduct | Stratics , are to be followed at all times.
Once again, if you cannot discuss PVP tactics or "the State of PVP on Atlantic" in an adult and reasonable manner, save your breath and don't comment on this thread. Take any personal swipes to the designated PVP smack talk threads in each Shard forum. I can't make it more clear than that.
If someone baits you, there is no excuse. Do not take the bait and follow through with a trollish response back. I don't care what name you're called, etc... hit the report button.
Folks complained about the last PVP thread being locked. If the folks who want to discuss PVP in a reasonable manner don't want that to be the case again, don't fall for the bait of the folks who immediately take the thread down to the level of trolling, unserious posts, and personal attacks.
The Rules of Conduct, found here: Rules of Conduct | Stratics , are to be followed at all times.
Just wow. The same circular arguments. Same circular threads. Same circle of new patches putting out substandard and incomplete content. I bet lots of people are banking their good stuff and searching as we speak.
The problem when a game runs its course is everyone still playing and supporting are the problem along w devs and producers etc.
We can point fingers all we want...We all know the truth...
The problem when a game runs its course is everyone still playing and supporting are the problem along w devs and producers etc.
We can point fingers all we want...We all know the truth...
Wrestle with chiv has existed since chiv was made- so with that train of thought- you can't change it.
I agree. Some people are just clueless when they post and only try buffing PvM without an actual rational thought as to how PvP changes don't affect them. We sit there and read their posts and smack our heads at the incompetence.
That being said, I think everyone deserved to be heard- no matter how clueless they are- including stratics mods.
Has anyone not pointed out it's called HOLY FIST... Not Holy BOkuto not holy DAGGER.... HOLY FIST .. Therefore, wrestling with it should be more than accepted... To fix the issue would be to make it have a delay on cast rather than insta damage when dropped.. Much like a flame strike
I feel sorry for anyone who is dying to Holy Fist spam. How do you die to that? It doesn't have real burst capability like magery because you can't do combos with it like exp/fs. Chiv doesn't have small spells such as Weaken to disrupt heals from a distance. Chiv doesn't have a poison spell to block healing with. If you die to Holy Fist spam, that means you were sitting there looking at your screen and doing nothing while your hp is steadily going down. I would recommend learning the basics before calling for nerfs. Holy Fist might have half decent sustained damage, but without real burst or ways to prevent healing, it is almost impossible to get a kill with it in a 1v1.
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You are right it is a terrible 1v1 template for killing people but almost impossible to die if you are 4/6 chiv parry wrestle. Team it with 3 more fisters and it's deadly with no chance of being killed. I mainly play ds and would fight 4 pure mages no problem but there is just no point fighting even 1 4/6 fister with parry and wrestle. The fist casts fast and if you have 0 resist it slows you also. So if there is 4 fisters all spamming on you, you take 140 damage in one dump with just about 0 chance to disrupt. Plus a slowing effect. Teamed with alchemy for 28 ish supernovas that's 112 damage. So in one sec you can damage for 252 damage. Plus all the conflags. It's a shame cause I like the 4/6 fister but it's op in a 2 or more man team.
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I believe a 1 second immunity timer will solve all the complaints about being hit by 5 holy fists at once. No more instant death. The easiest and simplest solution would be best. The more complicated the solution, the more problems it will likely create in the future.
Being hit by a holy fist would grant the char immunity from being damaged by any more holy fists for 1 second.
I think this is a good compromise. Personally I don't think holy fist should be touched. Synced holy fist is good teamwork. Good teamwork should be rewarded and not penalized.
Being hit by a holy fist would grant the char immunity from being damaged by any more holy fists for 1 second.
I think this is a good compromise. Personally I don't think holy fist should be touched. Synced holy fist is good teamwork. Good teamwork should be rewarded and not penalized.
I'd like an immunity for every attack. One second immunity for all!
I have been back for about a week now. .Before I stopped playing six months ago, I had a Chiv Fister Temp, and at first, I did not care for it too much. However, as someone said here, you can go elf stack 80 energy the damage is significantly decreased. The Holy Fister reminds me of Pre AOS PVP. Load and drop on a sync Target. Most of you here pancakes on these forums have spent your time primarly in a dungeon or yew and don’t have the field awareness nor the expierence to sync a target so I can see why this has become a problem for most of you.
I suggest you start working more as a group and understand how to team pvp. If you mess up and get caught on the screen so five people can target you, then you deserve to die. The Monk Template is not going to kill people 1 vs 1, or kill any decent player by only casting holy fist. It’s a group based template that snowballs with the more people you have.
Don’t nerf stuff because people are unwilling to change their templates. There are many ways to counter fisters, not many ways to combat good pvpers.
Mages are pretty difficult for me to play on the east coast because I constantly need to recurse and cast a spell and by the time I cast a spell that does 40 damage I need to take another 20 seconds to re target you. With the next patch, this will be fixed and mages will outshine even chiv fisters. However, if you don’t know how to play as a team we will be back here listening to people pancake about how OP mages are right now.
I think you need to just drop your crew or find another one who is focused less on walling people out and more on managing a group of pvpers
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Can't chug though. You'd have to drop your weapon or add balance on weapons to chug. balance would break anyones ability to evade. Seems like a pretty fair trade off to me.
you evade with 1 handed weapon
I'm picturing the Hephaestus shield wielding variety of fisters using a one handed weapon. They drop shield they usually lose fc1 or the dci. But you're right. I guess my point was that I agree with whoever stated that wrestling should not be considered as a "weapon skill" for holy fist to work.
I haven't PVPed since I came back but I can say that PVP was awesome back then.
The fister is just a team group template...
Once again people need to stop making glass cannons and pancakes every time they can’t kill someone.
If you make a bushido toon with 80 energy and some ninjia you will be 100% fine vs two fisters.
If you go into protection, fister cant kill you
If you Get spellweaving and use thunderstorm/essence of wind. You will be ok.
Fister is a 100% tank class.
I just miss the variety. Right after the drop of casting to 2/6 back in the day, you'd see necro mages, scribe/wrestle mages, tank mages....now parry is mandatory as a mage.....no variety in templates, summons like pixies are lame, 4/6 chiv + parry is mega lame, ninja smoke bombs are lame.
Melee combat is like DEAD, you'll never see anyone really now roll with a traditional anat/heal/tact/wep skill/resist...
Melee combat is like DEAD, you'll never see anyone really now roll with a traditional anat/heal/tact/wep skill/resist...
Basically it comes down to what is fun to play, and play against.
Fighting a group of holly fisters isn't fun at all. I enjoy fighting large amounts of mages and dexxers, yet , fighting groups of holly fisters is extremely annoying. Solo a holly fister is useless, however, in a group the damage is fast and survivability is easy mode.
I just recently came back after a 4-5 years break. In the past you used to find many mage fights and duels. Today, there's almost nothing put packs of holly fisters running around on ATL. How is that remotely fun to fight, or play against? I made one to try it out, and it's the most boring template ever.
Fighting a group of holly fisters isn't fun at all. I enjoy fighting large amounts of mages and dexxers, yet , fighting groups of holly fisters is extremely annoying. Solo a holly fister is useless, however, in a group the damage is fast and survivability is easy mode.
I just recently came back after a 4-5 years break. In the past you used to find many mage fights and duels. Today, there's almost nothing put packs of holly fisters running around on ATL. How is that remotely fun to fight, or play against? I made one to try it out, and it's the most boring template ever.
That is why an immunity timer makes a lot of sense. A Fister has poor killing ability in a 1v1. Lowering the damage or slowing cast time will reduce a Fister's offense in a 1v1 setting to basically nothing. That is not balance.
With an immunity timer it weakens Fisters in a group setting. It will prevent a group of 5 fisters from getting an instant kill by syncing on one target. Therefore it will also discourage packs of Fisters running around together. 1 or 2 in a group may still be useful, but more than that will not be optimal due to the immunity timer.
Isn't ending playstyles and limiting what templates people can play the opposite of what we are trying to achieve? That is not the way to diversify.
Seeing you have only been back a week, I'd say you have limited knowledge about this.
Go ahead and go into protection and see what happens.
Your resists will drop, you will forced into a walk and you will be dropped shortly after.
LOL, ya bu I have been back only one week, but im willing to bet I have killed more of these fisters than your entire crew in 6 months
I doubt it if you're telling people to go into protection against a group of fisters.
You making your argument based soley on being in protection there are other things you need that I listed here. Not just protection.I doubt it if you're telling people to go into protection against a group of fisters.
There are a lot of things. However, you are being dumped by two fisters and u put protection on while you run you should live…
Once they goto a recast you run away, and wait for support. You also should have gift of renewal up. And an elf there is no reason you should even get low.
Fisters run out of mana after 5 or 6 of them
Pretty sure you said "if you go into protection, a fister can't kill you".
These weren't "and" statements, you were giving several different statements you thought would be okay to survive.
Sorry, but protection isn't one of them.
Nice try.
I do not normally do this, but why dont you find three fisters and i will be on foot and you try and kill my mage and see if you can?
I mean..are you talking about a fister with no other offensive skills period? If so you'd died very fast. In protection, potions, and weave buffs on a non chiv character wether it's a healing Mage, Scribe Mage, dexxer, whatever the case is. They can cast 80+ damage on a non cursed target every 2-3 seconds the damage would be overwhelming . Now specifically for my fist template I use DP, Armor ignores and holy light with it. That makes it 10x more lethal. Even one v one.
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Just go to ATL
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