Seriously? My mage tamers wear a mostly straight 70's suit, 100+ lrc, 40+ lmc, 8-11 MR suits. The worst is 115 magery, the others 120, all have 120 eval. To think that any of them are lacking in strength and/or survivablitity WITHOUT a pet is hilarious...c'mon, man, they're basically legendary mages. Oh, and they have a 900+HP firebreathing tank with them. Yep..they're weak and defenseless lol.
seriously? did you even read his post? his point was that tamers need gear too and GD's are not an "I win" button in PvM. you essentially made the exact same point you thought you were countering. RIFSeriously? My mage tamers wear a mostly straight 70's suit, 100+ lrc, 40+ lmc, 8-11 MR suits. The worst is 115 magery, the others 120, all have 120 eval. To think that any of them are lacking in strength and/or survivablitity WITHOUT a pet is hilarious...c'mon, man, they're basically legendary mages. Oh, and they have a 900+HP firebreathing tank with them. Yep..they're weak and defenseless lol.
Did YOU read his post? That's the most inaccurate interpretation I've seen in quite some time lol. Perhaps reading ALL of his posts would help you out. The point he was trying to make was tamers are comparitively weak because it was the nature of their template. They put all their effort into keeping their pet alive with little concern for themselves. The gdrag was their only "real" option to fight high end content. I countered with the fact that most tamers I know are hardly weak templates. The comments I, and others, have made is relative to this line of thinking that 1.) tamers could never do high end content before gdrags, 2.) that this nerf makes gdrags essentially useless, and 3.) tamers have weak templates relative to warriors, and that any warrior can solo high end content.
that's right Aibal, his post was not about gear. and last I checked, the suit you posted isn't crappy
We can agree to disagree on this.
Nope. Here are original nerf details, as posted by Draconi:
Yes they nerfed the GD movement well before they did this latest nerf.
Ah then let us just accept we have a difference of opinions/perceptions, that may be based on differences in play style and move on.
BUT I CAN'T JUST MOVE ON!!!!Ah then let us just accept we have a difference of opinions/perceptions, that may be based on differences in play style and move on.
In a word .... "No".BUT I CAN'T JUST MOVE ON!!!!
But seriously, there was a movement nerf around two years ago now, where they fixed whatever it was that was causing the "pounce" effect that pets often had when you used the all kill command. Is that what you are referring to?
Well, if you want folks to believe in this movement nerf, info/evidence is the best place to start. If you don't want to spill any beans, why should anyone keep playing your guessing game?In a word .... "No".
*Turns around exposing his back, and begins to move away*
Careful Wenchy, you're going to provoke a response with a whirlwind of random capitalized words and mumbo jumbo about perceptions and truth.
hatesphere i want to make babies with you and eat them.
What if its PvM im looking for, could you use a dread + mare or dread + bake combo to do lady mel or would you even be able to with the greater drags but take longer? How come greater drags with good rating on the pet calculator sell for so much if there really just good for being a tank or meat shield? Are dread warhorses good for anything other then pvp? Also, what would be the best combo to dish out the most dps in pvm regardless of control slots (as long as it equals 5 control slots or less).
Well, when it comes to specific high end pvm contexts, someone else would probably do a better job at answering questions. However, what makes greater dragons special is they are much easier to keep alive than other pets. For Lady Mel specifically there are lots of add on spawn that you have to kill as well, and they would probably overwhelm a less hardy pet pretty quickly. I'm not sure if it would be possible to keep, for example, a rune beetle and mare combination alive, but I've heard that rune beetles do quite well against Dread Horn.
I wonder if a dread and mare combo is better or a dread and bake combo for soloing lady mel.
I'd say dread and mare if anything. I'm not a big fan of bakes. Their stats look great but there is something that we don't see that makes them pretty soft targets. Their dps doesn't match the nightmare's and you really want to be mounted on your weaker pet if you are using two pets. You want to take the stronger pet out of the stable first, and mount the weaker. You don't want mobs targeting your weaker pet.
This is true, however, packs are so hard to keep alive that they are seldom practically useful. I'd say the pet combination with the highest dps and reasonable survivability is the rune beetle and nightmare combination.
Ah I didn't catch that. I think it's pretty clear that that fix targets "curse taming" and that particular tactic will no longer work. The devs were aware of it, and I had asked them specifically about it, and my guess is they didn't answer me because they were working on a fix and they didn't want people knowing and going out and taming hundreds of dragons using this tactic before the fix was implemented.
My thoughts exactly. Unfortunately, I never got around to it...
I would think if it was fixed for greater dragons it would have been fixed for all the pets that use the same function. But of course, you never know. You would have thought if they made apples generic, they would have done the same thing with the grapes of wrath, but they didn't...Hmm, I wonder if they've fixed curse taming for other pets too, or just GDs.
I guess the price of the top end GDs just went up a bit
Can't blame it on popps. Several people reported it as an exploit and I had actually posted a question to the Ask the Devs forum to find out whether it was officially considered an exploit or not. It appears that the answer to that question was "yes"...
Aye, I just thought it was funny to mention that fix specifically naming greater drags if they'd fixed all critters. Guess we'll soon see which it is heh.
Didn't you know that greater dragons are the all inclusive symbol and archetype for all the evils wrought upon the worlds of Sosaria by the vile and venomous tamer horde? To say "greater dragon" is to conjure the spectres of rabbits and nightmares, sheep and cu sidhe, hiryus and squirrels!
I just tested curse taming on a cu sidhe (not one I was going to keep) and it still works. It makes me wonder if maybe the exploit that was fixed for greater dragons wasn't curse taming?
Just out of interest, what's the benefit of curse taming ? (beyond the obvious reducing the pet's stats)
Higher hit points and higher stamina. But you will also have lower str, so it's a bit of a trade off. It also only works for tameables that have stats halved after taming (cu sidhe, hiryu, lesser hiryu, reptalon, greater dragon).
Interesting ! Thanks for the info, might make the endless GD search slightly easier