The logic behind this is, that it is not stamina damage, instead it is stamina loss because of incoming damage. Thus, the harder the material, the less damage comes through, the less stamina you loose when you're getting hit.
You are right we were slower in full plate but we never took 30+ Stamina Damage everytime we were hit.
It's easy, you get hit with anything and it doesn't matter how much damage you take, even zero, you get hit with max Samina Damage, I don't think even parry stops it.
Yeah while I would have been fine with them just making it a cosmetic choice. Ideally I wanted real choices and for my choices to matter. I wanted to be able to look at pros and cons and make a decision based on those. However I did not want what we got. Because there is very little choice in this new system especially with the stamina changes. It seems that pretty much most people will be forced to wear metal armor or maybe wood. Basically I think anyone that actually has to worry about getting hit fairly regularly in pvm or pvp will need to wear heavy armor. That is not the kind of choice anyone wanted.
I'm with you there. Always found it rather odd how the hardest material was always significantly weaker than the softest. Stam loss does seem to be rather intense though. Given the amount of feedback criticizing this aspect I suspect that they will fix it.
Yeah I hope so personally the stamina changes have me the most concerned. There are other concerns of course but right now that is my big one. But the communication has been good so that does give me hope changes will be made. Because really things like the stamina changes to armor and what not I think would work they just need to tweak numbers.
Well, except for the fact that they did NOT communicate ANY of the stam loss / stam system changes, and have not officially stated the formulas for such, and just hope that people who play test would report on it?
Well true I guess I shouldn;t have said communication is good. But better then I was expecting *which doesn;t say much good about how communication normally is* But I was talking more about them at least letting us know they are listening. This does give me some hope that our feedback is not only being read but actually considered and that hopefully tweaks and overhauls will be made. I do agree though we need formulas and such for the stam loss and stam system changes. We did manage to get some numbers on how much the different armors protect you from stam loss but that is it. Personally idk why they donlt just include all this information in the patch notes..
again, this set of changes of test are fundamentally game breaking. the fact that the stam changes are not even remotely referred to in the patch notes indicates that either
I have to admit you lost me here. True some of these are outdated, but what does Pub 81 have to do with this? Are there not 6 armor slots as to which 5 are used in stamina loss reduction?
They took Double Strike from the Daisho....years of elemental weapon collecting down the toiletleafblade loses feint?
means that fencing has no more weapons with feint = totally useless in pvm -.-
Yup, you look like your geting the hang of it. This change messes up everything that has gone before it, armor wise. Its almost a total rewrite of the games history
Armor types which are tailor-crafted but non-medable, such as studded and bone, become the worst of both worlds as they neither mitigate stamina loss nor allow meditation.
In that case, it can stay. I don't imbue much SE plate. Thanks for the info.
Just making all armor medable would NOT have made me happy at all!
No dude it's totally realistic. Getting pecked by a magpie half a dozen times would easily make even the mightiest warrior exhausted and no mere enchanted leather armor made from dragon skin could hope to prevent it.
This and the Dashio had it's feint removed also. Like a above poster said there goes years of collecting and making weapons for a bunch of people.
We are their institutional memory. We can be useful to them.
The thing is, history shows that these changes are comming in, now that they have been coded. They may "Tweek" them a little, but this is what were going to get in one form or another.
We can't forget about the Hit Stamina Leech change. That needs to be removed outright otherwise all melee fighters will not be able to maintain their current Damage Per Second rate. HSL is a mandatory requirement on all my PvM weapons. If it has reduced effectiveness I can't see me being able to fight the same foes I do today. Again, the request from the player base wasn't to nerf all melee fighters but just make other armor types viable and other materials than wood have useful special properties and equivalent resists.
Stamina loss is too severe for low amounts of damage. Taking Stamina damage for non (HP) damaging spells seems a bit too severe as well.....bonus for mana drain!
I didnt test push through. With that aside, what value is stamina to a mage? Other than moving around? I can only think of swinging a mage weapon, which makes you a warrior at that point. My point is mages carry particularly lower stamina than other stats because it is least vital to their template. Leather armor reduces a higher percentage of stamina but 20% 0f 10 is far less stamina damage than 12% of 180 for a war in plate. So is leather really that bad for a mage? Forgive me if I am naive here. I do not play many mage templates.
Agreed, I suspect many artifacts were originally given the mage armor mod to make them attractive to a wider range of templates. Had these changes been in affect at the time they were created, they probably would have been made differently. Also, though the new dungeon loot is very attractive, clean artifacts are very rare. Looting a clean warrior piece of armor would be disappointing if it carried the mage armor tag. For imbuing, mage armor carries one of the greatest intensity costs of all mods (140). Also rolling a mage armor tag in reforging would be detrimental to WAR.
Non parry mages generally run 20-25 dex. Non mystic mages will have to run medable armor (leather) not to mention the people that just dumped half a billion into top of the line reforged leather armor.
Can this go over the cap? I guess I only half understand this point. I think the reason for the change is that you are investing alot of mana in a move that only has a chance of actually firing off (not to mention the reduced DI, if I understand that correctly, as well). So the HCI is to kind of add a reason to want to attempt the double strike/shot. But if already at HCI cap (proposed 45 for all races now, I think?), will it even be noticed? Or does this allow that second strike/shot to cap out at 60?
According to the Poll many agree with the changes. Looks like UO has become even more of a sandbox MMO with these new changes. Change is good unless your a dinosaur..............Again
Who asked for anything close to this?
Every single existing warrior (pvp or pvm) on every single shard will have to throw out a huge % of all their gear (armor and weapons) and start building suits from scratch again using brand new complex armor formulas. All the while knwoing that once the suits are built you now have to go out and take a mage or boss beating for months until all the new mechanics (ssi debuffs/specials nerfs/stam loss/etc...) are figured out and fixed.
Someone please tell me that I am crazy or exaggerating here...??
The high-end runics and forged tool cost alone is crippling if you play multiple warriors or on multiple shards.
Why do I get the bad feeling that this is exactly what EA wanted? If they can ever get their online store working correctly this should result in alot of $ sales.
So who really did ask for this? The players or the company accountants?
I CHALLENGE BLEAK OR ANY OTHER DEV TO COME HERE AND TELL US THAT THIS MASSIVE REVAMP WAS ASKED FOR BY ANY MAJORITY OF PLAYERS
I of course was only half kidding about the dollar side of things but it sure makes you wonder...
I was on test with Bleak 2 days ago and when I politely asked about the above issues all he kept repeating to me was "the goal is to make more interesting choices"
What kind of PR nonsense reply is that?
Either Bleak is a complete idiot and unable to comprehend his own revamp (which i highly doubt) or he is nothing more then a company spokesperson wasting our time trying to make us believe they are listening to us
No offense bud but based on your replies in this thread you appear to be nothing more then a cheerleader or librarian with no idea how game mechanics actually work. You have yet to say anything except "change is good"
Actually as it stands 73.6% of the votes are not in line with you. If it goes really bad there will be all the fewer people left in game to see your rare collection so I guess you will win UO.
I'd say this is clear. I would take a guess and say that 60% of the player base has a sampire or two, seems like a nasty pill to swallow.
You do understand that Goodman is one of the richest players in UO and would stand to make a lot of gold if this goes to prodo shards.
I undertstand that he has absolutely no clue about actual game mechanics unless you count buying & selling items a mechanic
