the scripts are so advanced now that they can move bagballs out of the way so they cannot be trapped now
way to go
way to go
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WoW Heartwood scripters!!!
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watching several on europa been there all day so far they follow similar path, same speed drop off at the same place everytime and they remove bagballs to unblock their path, all same process i though they stopped this ages ago?????
nope no way all like robots doing same thing although i am getting some good free loot from the bags they pile ontop of each other
all the same sytem all uniform and same speed, they follow same path in and out and jump off beetle at same place and start work, no human can be that precise all day,
of cours ei might be wrong, but i doubt it on this occasion
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Saris
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Agreed if you dont like them scripting page on them placing bag balls to block them is a violation of the TOS.
I dont script them, as I dont realy do them, however the more that script them drives the prices lower for me to buy them.
Sorry got better things to do all day than clicking a gump 10 or 15 times followed by clicking the quest toggle gump 10 or 15 more times for hours on end.
I dont script them, as I dont realy do them, however the more that script them drives the prices lower for me to buy them.
Sorry got better things to do all day than clicking a gump 10 or 15 times followed by clicking the quest toggle gump 10 or 15 more times for hours on end.
Not debating the fact that they're scripting, but when they come to your bagball 'roadblock' then they could just take their mouse and drag one out the way as their script runs them past.
although i am getting some good free loot from the bags they pile ontop of each other
all the same sytem all uniform and same speed, they follow same path in and out and jump off beetle at same place and start work, no human can be that precise all day,
of cours ei might be wrong, but i doubt it on this occasion
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RavenWinterHawk
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ALL I CAN SAY IS
600k for YEW RUNIC FLETCHERS.
100s of them all over for 600k to 1.5 million.
DOZENS AND DOZENS of vendors with Heartwood Runic Fletchers for low as 7.5 million.
Scripting what.... come on where is the evidence.
I actually thought there was a glitch with the frequency the kits were dropping so I did some bow quests. After 3 hours nada.
600k for YEW RUNIC FLETCHERS.
100s of them all over for 600k to 1.5 million.
DOZENS AND DOZENS of vendors with Heartwood Runic Fletchers for low as 7.5 million.
Scripting what.... come on where is the evidence.
I actually thought there was a glitch with the frequency the kits were dropping so I did some bow quests. After 3 hours nada.
that would be amazing!!!!!Lets have a Invasion in Heartwood!
with regards to the bag ball, they are no use anyway as they sre moved, trust me, not by hand
but what is really funny, is that people straight away attack the bag balls and not the blatent and obvious cheatin? very strange
i have reported got loadsa cans for my trouble,bb
in all seriousness it is sickening, there are piles of crafter bags with pro near 1000 quests done by 5 "possible" scripters all day, of course they might be logging off at the same time and me and by chance logging back when i take a look
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Kiminality
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Actually, reading this, it's surprising it took this long for them to adapt to bagballs.
The script can do pretty much anything a player can do, so finding blocking bagballs and dragging them out the way should have been an obvious consideration, since folk've been doing it for about as long as they've been running the scripts.
It's a shame I don't support the idea of messing with scripters, or it could be quite a fun minigame, to find ways to beat their scripts
The script can do pretty much anything a player can do, so finding blocking bagballs and dragging them out the way should have been an obvious consideration, since folk've been doing it for about as long as they've been running the scripts.
It's a shame I don't support the idea of messing with scripters, or it could be quite a fun minigame, to find ways to beat their scripts
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Kiminality
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I think that's more of a "Two wrongs don't make a right" kind of thing.
"I broke the ToS to mess with someone else that broke the ToS" isn't really a great approach.
Imagine if the scripter came here and said "I was scripting in Heartwood, and all these people were breaking the ToS, by placing bagballs". They're not exactly going to get overwhelming support, are they?
I only mentioned the bagballs so you didn't go and get yourself banned for blocking - I guess next time I'll let you find that out the hard way.
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RichDC
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Its much simpler if you really feel the need to ruin there day, simply wait for them to recall in when they leave block there recall location, they cant move something if they arent there.
If you really felt the need you could do this to every one that comes down.
If you really felt the need you could do this to every one that comes down.
sorry point taken, and thanks
just makes my blood boil watching them and getting cans from the GM's
lol go to heartwood at least 5 peeps using it right now
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Stupid Miner
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Um... it'd be rather simple to write a script to move bagballs out of the way.
You know... I haven't once gotten a canned message on an EM posting on a scripter unless i put the report in the wrong format. (Use physical harrassment option, target player, give their name and say what they're doing.)
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UOKaiser
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There was. While the event went on I receive a heartwood kit every 2-5k boards. But now its back to normal. Check the craftman forum for progress on it.
You can modify your client to walk over bagballs anyways.
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Xclio
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I love people that try to prevent scripters, those of us that are actually good at it enjoy writing to account for every possible outcome Many solutions available even for those that like to block recall locations, always have alternate locations and solutions Thanks for playing though!
Many solutions available even for those that like to block recall locations, always have alternate locations and solutions Thanks for playing though!
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Velandra
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whoa.. first openly active scripter on straticsI love people that try to prevent scriptors, those of us that are actually good at it enjoy writing to account for every possible outcome
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Xclio
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Actually there are a few of us...I just get a kick out of people that think they can work around a good scripter.
My favourite part is the fact that they *all* dismount the beetle 3-4 tiles before the spot where they´re gonna stand and the beetle walks to the spot before the owner even gets there.
If you see them do that, you know they are using a script...
And also what RichDC said.
Perhaps you should get a script to spellcheck your posts then...
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Xclio
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Haha, suppose I should lol Unfortunatly I am too lazy to care about that, doesn't make me enough gold
Unfortunatly I am too lazy to care about that, doesn't make me enough gold
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Xclio
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Fixed just for you
Most of us on atl chat a lil now & then. Not too much mind you. I have been checked by gms more times in Heart than everywhere else in the however the hell long it is now I've played. Something like 12 years I don't even really know any more. They ask strange questions in hw, like what color is your robe. I agree that an insanely effective script is being used though. I just don't think most people here are doing it.
We're just amazed you might actually get a hw kit instead of never getting one. They still aren't dropping all that often, but we actually get them now & again.
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Vyal
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A perfect example of heartwood scripters would be the Balhae shard.
If you want to see what a true heartwood script looks like check out the Balhae shard the same guys have been running that script non stop for years 24/7. I wouldn't be surprized if they are accounts held by those cash 4 gold errr gold 4 cash sites. I was told that on that shard they don't ban scripters and thats how they get away with it there.
If you want to see what a true heartwood script looks like check out the Balhae shard the same guys have been running that script non stop for years 24/7. I wouldn't be surprized if they are accounts held by those cash 4 gold errr gold 4 cash sites. I was told that on that shard they don't ban scripters and thats how they get away with it there.
I generally only read here, but I just wanted to chime in to convey how tiresome these posts bemoaning script use are getting.
With the possible exception of people using scripts to camp a PvM spawn so that others can't use it, I don't see that these people are creating any gameplay barrier to anyone else. From what I can discern, people actually get some satisfaction from writing scripts that work, and modifying them to combat any problems that they may encounter.
I'd cautiously say that I consider the average UO player to be slightly more mature and balanced than your average MMO player, so I find it really disappointing when I see these childish little flames on this subject from self appointed UO school prefects.
For the record, here are a few things that I consider to be facts:
- Scripting, macroing and external programs have been around in UO since day one (that was over a decade ago for anyone that's counting). Even UO Assist, which I suspect most people who play UO use (or a free alternative) was regarded as an "illegal 3rd party application" until after taking out a few really cheeky features, OSI endorsed it.
- GMs have never been as strict in enforcing the rules preventing these practices in UO as they are in other games, with the exception of when it causes a disruption to other players. They weren't when UO was at it's peak, and they definitely aren't now, when the numbers are much lower.
- This style of play, which some people may frown upon will always be around in UO. No number of GM pages or posts on forums will change this fact. Why waste your precious recreational time fretting over it? If you see someone scripting Heartwood, walk around them. If you have trouble doing it, then hit your home rune, log out and go and do something that will relax you like watching TV, because you're too stressed out.
Let's be honest with each other here guys, the UO economy is absolutely knackered, and it has been for years. We all know it and find ways around it. There's always gonna be a limit on the percentage of players that are going to be scripting in the manner outlined in this thread, because frankly, most of us don't have the time, spare computers or motivation.
If some dude running scripts is going to get the runic that makes the bow I've been lusting after for months, or some lady decides she's going to script up a new character and ends up being in my guild chucking me the occasional greater heal, then I'm okay with it.
With the possible exception of people using scripts to camp a PvM spawn so that others can't use it, I don't see that these people are creating any gameplay barrier to anyone else. From what I can discern, people actually get some satisfaction from writing scripts that work, and modifying them to combat any problems that they may encounter.
I'd cautiously say that I consider the average UO player to be slightly more mature and balanced than your average MMO player, so I find it really disappointing when I see these childish little flames on this subject from self appointed UO school prefects.
For the record, here are a few things that I consider to be facts:
- Scripting, macroing and external programs have been around in UO since day one (that was over a decade ago for anyone that's counting). Even UO Assist, which I suspect most people who play UO use (or a free alternative) was regarded as an "illegal 3rd party application" until after taking out a few really cheeky features, OSI endorsed it.
- GMs have never been as strict in enforcing the rules preventing these practices in UO as they are in other games, with the exception of when it causes a disruption to other players. They weren't when UO was at it's peak, and they definitely aren't now, when the numbers are much lower.
- This style of play, which some people may frown upon will always be around in UO. No number of GM pages or posts on forums will change this fact. Why waste your precious recreational time fretting over it? If you see someone scripting Heartwood, walk around them. If you have trouble doing it, then hit your home rune, log out and go and do something that will relax you like watching TV, because you're too stressed out.
Let's be honest with each other here guys, the UO economy is absolutely knackered, and it has been for years. We all know it and find ways around it. There's always gonna be a limit on the percentage of players that are going to be scripting in the manner outlined in this thread, because frankly, most of us don't have the time, spare computers or motivation.
If some dude running scripts is going to get the runic that makes the bow I've been lusting after for months, or some lady decides she's going to script up a new character and ends up being in my guild chucking me the occasional greater heal, then I'm okay with it.
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Vyal
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Sir the problem is some people get banned for doing it a friend of mine lost a 8 yr account for scripting mining. Now when there are shards filled with scripters running wild and profiting from it that is a problem.
It isn't right when someone lost a 8 yr account while others are doing it and making crazy amounts of gold.
It isn't right when someone lost a 8 yr account while others are doing it and making crazy amounts of gold.
wow you are mad your "friend" got busted LOL!!!!!!!!!!!! and others didnt wow lol !!!!!!!! tell "friend" oops play a game as a game next time !!!!!!!
Did you really have to flame? Did you? This isn't youtube.
One would think most people wouldn't be stupid enough to script on an 8 year account.
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Coppelia
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Why ban them? Heartwood quests have been designed in order to be botted!
They just can't be for real players!
They just can't be for real players!
They allowed it at the start thinking the game would be a fad, so why deny the grubbers the money. By the time they relized the game was lasting so many had taken up scripting and other unsavory programs the grubbers again drug their feet about correcting it. Add the pros started adding junk accounts to the grubbers greed (why the temp account correction) more so that nothing would be done.
The tools are their to follow the gold and start hitting the accounts holding the goods. Just so much BS has built up over the YEARS that most would never miss a few 100 million gold.
Their are just to few honest players left to support the game/grubbers.
The tools are their to follow the gold and start hitting the accounts holding the goods. Just so much BS has built up over the YEARS that most would never miss a few 100 million gold.
Their are just to few honest players left to support the game/grubbers.
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Connor_Graham
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No need to work around piece of crap scripters. Just undercut your sorry asses so you don't get the sales. I've done it more than once, and pissed off more than a few. Too bad more people don't do the same.
It's only pathetic bs if peeps state that scripting is a fun thing and/or makes people reach goals in uo.
Script-using has the same logic as doping. It devides the world in people who don't use it and those who use it. And it makes the people not using it look pale in many aspects of the game. And since it is that obvious, I will not discuss with any as++++e if scripting is nice or not so nice.
I know what these scripts can (and what not), since I downloaded and tried them. Maybe not the "best" ones available, but sufficient enough to know what they do. I can tell from mere watching char behaviour where a script is acting, and where not. (though there might sophisticated ones where this is not that obvious).
There are two ways to deal with them fundamentally, since paging is useless (most scripts are attended, and for unattended ones dummy accounts are used).
First: kill 2d. all scripts are based on it. However, even the new client will not be the "fix", as scripters are well aware of it and will come with new "solutions" when the new client is alive. I don't think that there is one mmorpg out where no scripts and bots are working.
So it comes to the second solution: Limit game time per account to an extend that scripting becomes useless. Because the core thing about any script (with few exceptions) is that they convert time to precious ingame items (gold, ressources, runics etc.). The only way to stop them therefore is to take time away.
Script-using has the same logic as doping. It devides the world in people who don't use it and those who use it. And it makes the people not using it look pale in many aspects of the game. And since it is that obvious, I will not discuss with any as++++e if scripting is nice or not so nice.
I know what these scripts can (and what not), since I downloaded and tried them. Maybe not the "best" ones available, but sufficient enough to know what they do. I can tell from mere watching char behaviour where a script is acting, and where not. (though there might sophisticated ones where this is not that obvious).
There are two ways to deal with them fundamentally, since paging is useless (most scripts are attended, and for unattended ones dummy accounts are used).
First: kill 2d. all scripts are based on it. However, even the new client will not be the "fix", as scripters are well aware of it and will come with new "solutions" when the new client is alive. I don't think that there is one mmorpg out where no scripts and bots are working.
So it comes to the second solution: Limit game time per account to an extend that scripting becomes useless. Because the core thing about any script (with few exceptions) is that they convert time to precious ingame items (gold, ressources, runics etc.). The only way to stop them therefore is to take time away.
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Connor_Graham
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This would do nothing to scripters, but would hurt the honest player. A scripter would just open up a few more dummy accounts to make up for the difference, while the honest player is just screwed unless they want to open up more accounts, thus costing them more RL money, just to inconvenience scripters. Sorry, but this just wouldn't work.
The only real solution to scripters would be for EA/Mythic to start actively enforcing the ToS & RoC by adding more GM's who would actually check to see if someone is scripting or not AND adding something like Punkbuster.
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Coppelia
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Why kill 2D if you admit it won't stop them? Just your own pleasure?
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Derrick83
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I do a lot of coding and I too have a 12 year account.
Without getting into things, EA cant tell if you using 3rd party programs without manually checking each person by showing up and asking them questions to see if they respond. These 3rd party programs dont mess with the data stream.
Reality is that as it is(and any game not running a 3rd party program that reports back to them the .exe's running in your process tree), EA cannot prove your are using any program(unless it physically alters the data stream) and as such they cant tell if you using a scripting program any more than they can tell if your using AIM or ICQ.
IMO its UO's fault that they have made the process so tedious that to get these rewards you have to do an EXTREMELY simple process 10000000 times to get a reward. It is not how other games work and as abundant as scripting is in this game really they are asking for it themselves. As a programmer I can only think of 3 million better ways to make a system that makes it so that normal people playing would be just as effective as scripting it, but I am not programming UO.
Honestly, don't blame scripters, blame EA. They make the method of getting these rewards over simple and overly repetitive to be successful at. As such, the most efficient way to be successful is to have your computer do it non-stop. If EA would make a interactive way of questing where things are much more variable, with more frequent good rewards, people COULD get these themselves and so scripters wouldnt want to script because their would be less profit, the money would be in selling the product you make with the kits rather than selling the kit itself because of its rarity.
Without getting into things, EA cant tell if you using 3rd party programs without manually checking each person by showing up and asking them questions to see if they respond. These 3rd party programs dont mess with the data stream.
Reality is that as it is(and any game not running a 3rd party program that reports back to them the .exe's running in your process tree), EA cannot prove your are using any program(unless it physically alters the data stream) and as such they cant tell if you using a scripting program any more than they can tell if your using AIM or ICQ.
IMO its UO's fault that they have made the process so tedious that to get these rewards you have to do an EXTREMELY simple process 10000000 times to get a reward. It is not how other games work and as abundant as scripting is in this game really they are asking for it themselves. As a programmer I can only think of 3 million better ways to make a system that makes it so that normal people playing would be just as effective as scripting it, but I am not programming UO.
Honestly, don't blame scripters, blame EA. They make the method of getting these rewards over simple and overly repetitive to be successful at. As such, the most efficient way to be successful is to have your computer do it non-stop. If EA would make a interactive way of questing where things are much more variable, with more frequent good rewards, people COULD get these themselves and so scripters wouldnt want to script because their would be less profit, the money would be in selling the product you make with the kits rather than selling the kit itself because of its rarity.
i read about 5 lines before i got bored
simple SCRIPTING IS ILLEGAL IN GAME
so i dont care how clever great YOU think they are, they are breaking the rules
simple understand??????
if YOU have no prob with them then this post has nothing to do with you, and until you are god, who cares what you think????
the reason why i posted here, is that i know DEV's read these posts, and the GM may just go and do something about it
It doesn't really do much for your case that the anti-scripting posts tend to be rude and generally quite flamey.
I've seen a few of your posts around Jack, and you seem to moan about things a lot. I was just suggesting you try and ignore them, because getting all snappy about something you don't like in a game kind of negates the reason you're playing, which is fun. If you're hoping that someone at EA is going to see a post on this subject and "do something about it" I can assure you it certainly won't be one of your posts.
I'm not much bothered if you agree with me or not. These things have happened in the game since it went into open beta. Moaning about it 12 years after it was released and expecting some sort of resolution is absolutely hilarious. If you really are getting so worked up about it then I feel a bit sorry for you.
I've seen a few of your posts around Jack, and you seem to moan about things a lot. I was just suggesting you try and ignore them, because getting all snappy about something you don't like in a game kind of negates the reason you're playing, which is fun. If you're hoping that someone at EA is going to see a post on this subject and "do something about it" I can assure you it certainly won't be one of your posts.
I'm not much bothered if you agree with me or not. These things have happened in the game since it went into open beta. Moaning about it 12 years after it was released and expecting some sort of resolution is absolutely hilarious. If you really are getting so worked up about it then I feel a bit sorry for you.
You are &*%$*ing Kidding, right?
[INTENSESARCASM]I gain a Sh&tload of satisfactionof bringing my own Monopoly money to games with my friends. I then beat them every time. They don't know about my hidden money...and they would ban me from playing if they caught me. But screw them. Screw THEIR rules...I have my own...just like you, Jolt...yeah? Feels F%^$ing GREAT!!
I also gain great satisfaction from using loaded dice at my D&D games, so I gain an advantage over the honest players, who don't use the loaded dice, or know that I am using them.[/INTENSESARCASM]
Jeezis.
For someone that condones Cheating...you use Big Words...does that help your mental acceptance of saying that Cheating is OK?
I am disappointed that Seemingly Mature posts like yours can be shown to be the childish work of those who accept and embrace Cheating in such broad strokes.
Who appointed yo the Cheating Post Proctor, by the way, Oh Mature One?
LOL....your age IS showing...in your posts.
A shame really.
You have some seriously distorted views of what is and isn't acceptable. As well as what "Facts" are important to the discussion. Sad, really.
The only Fact that matters is that Scripting unattended IS cheating, no matter how you justify it, at all.
Yeah...cheating greatly aids Knackered economies...
Screw you and any other cheating players, Jolt. If you don't want to pay the price, based on the rules of the game as it sits, then screw you, and all just like you.
I am convinced the economy would THRIVE if we got you, and every other scripter banned.
ALL the people that quit because of people just like you, and those whose actions you condone, would be back.
Yup...you are as bad as a Cheater, when you condone it.
Sounds like you need new friends, or maybe read a good book.
Scripting is Cheating, as of today's rules. You need to be at your computer, and engaged in the actual game, or you are cheating.
Those that aren't gain a significant unfair advantage over those that do not cheat.
How flippin hard is that for you to grasp?
Impossible, it seems.
The only good news is that Karma will have her way with all of you.
Unfortunately, not all of us will get to see it.
I know I would enjoy it immensely.
Oh well. We all know that cheating is what those that lack integrity do, as well as those that condone it...all are simply:
:loser:
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guum
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Seconded. Regardless of whether it's a problem, an asset, or whatever, one thing is for certain: the whining is at least as irritating as the scripting (and for me, more so).
Also, what's with the exclamation point quotient in all the anti-scripting posts? One ! is enough, really. !!!!!!!!!!!! just makes you look like you have to pee really, really badly and need to get your point out so you can run to the bathroom as fast as possible.
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Xclio
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Yep, you said it all....
This is what I do, everything I sell is always set lower than any other price, I am just awaiting imbueing so then I can really roll in the gold, ingredients are going to go through the roof. As for specifics to heartwood I don't really care to do it, actually haven't in probably a year now, I am pretty sure I found something that is going to pay off much better in the long run than heartwood will.
i moan alot because i want this game to be free from cheating scium, nothing wrong with that
i could sit here all day adn give advice to others and there will be no changes, 81 posts from yourself show to me that you either sit on the fence or dont care, or are new to game or board? there are NO excuses or justification from scripting, whoever fault it is, it is not mine and i pay good money to play a good game
and like others say
GREAT!!!! scripters bring prices down so i can buy loads cheap, and i dont care if there are illegally got, well you are just as bad
i feel for the crafters that have to cut thier prices due to cheat
so yes it DOES affect the game
if you cannot see that then i guess you quite happily stock up with illegal goods
i feel for you if thats the case
And also ignore them??? no way that is just as bad, well ALL know the scripters are there, go to Heartwood now, i can almost guarantee they are there
if MORE people reported them each and every time they log in, with HUNDREDS of complaints maybe things can be addressed
so how about it, you fancy it, takes a few secs to page on them do that everytime you log in and leave the complaint open
WE CAN ALL MAKE A DIFFERENCE
Don´t read the threads. It´s as simple as that...
And oh yeah, one scripter down in Fel Heartwood, Europa.
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UOKaiser
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You make a good argument. But the other side of the fence the holier than thou unknowledgeball players who feel they should interfere with other players using a sripting as a excuse and accusing everyone in illegal matters are the most annoying scum in the world.
For example will you condone paging on a heartwood crafter thet was there for 12 hours straight in the game that didn't answer you. k it looks like he is right but it could just be me or someone like me using a couple pre progam macros on my keyboard in KR. Unloading to garbage when full trowing everything but kits away and when I run out of boards I bring in my second account to do a delivery to my packies. While doing this am using a perfectly sanction new client while sitting on my computer with dual screens. Running uo pressing my make withiout fail macro untill backpack is full and mark as quest items.
Not too many key presses. My other screen has a movie on it. Got a laptop near by for browsing the internet and watching my stocks also quick log in on second account to deliver boards while tv is in front of me watching whatever comes on. When I need a break or need to get up I leave it alone I stay log in idle for a while untill I come back without it doing anything. Of course most likely receive like 50-100 pages during the day very annoying to stop and answer gms but whatever when am not on the chair am not doing anything so gm don't bother me for just being idle. If a player has something interesting to say and I notice him speaking to me i'll talk back if he just being dumb goes straight to ignore. Usually they come out of nowhere running around saying scripters!!! Or other useless things they just get ignore we see those players enough. Of course no need to spend too much of my time there I got more fish to fry but when I do I go for some long periods.
I hope people don't mean attended means taping youre eyes and mind straight to the screen cause then someone need to pay for medical bills and I need to look out my window to make sure that we didn't end up in a world like minority report or 1984.I take it as being by your computer and thats good for me.
But when people don't know how some things are done legit they just clasify everyone into 1 group and try to nerf,harrass,grief the legit players because it's easier. Sure there are scripters can I tell hell no I can assume but what is the point of that. Im way to busy in game playing to game to even give it a First thought. It just doesn't make sense to me in particular paying over 14 dollers per month each account and spending half the time either defending myself or accusing others. There is too much to do in UO.
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